2008.07.16 Casey's First Phone Call Home From Jail *revisit*

[LolaMoon08]

I have always thought that this phone call could be the deciding factor in whether Casey gets the death penalty or not. I don't know of anyone who wasn't horrified when Kristina cried... almost begging Casey to tell her if anything happened to Caylee... that she would DIE if anything happened to Caylee... and Casey's response? "Oh wow. Calling your guys? A waste... a huge waste." And that isn't even the worst part of the phone call... "All they care about is getting Caylee back." WOW!! I would really like Casey to have to answer exactly what was more important than her missing baby at that very moment? Oh, yes... Tony's phone number!

 

[Horace Finklestein]

I have always thought that this phone call could be the deciding factor in whether Casey gets the death penalty or not. I don't know of anyone who wasn't horrified when Kristina cried... almost begging Casey to tell her if anything happened to Caylee... that she would DIE if anything happened to Caylee... and Casey's response? "Oh wow. Calling your guys? A waste... a huge waste." And that isn't even the worst part of the phone call... "All they care about is getting Caylee back." WOW!! I would really like Casey to have to answer exactly what was more important than her missing baby at that very moment? Oh, yes... Tony's phone number!

Yep. A "boyfriend" of 2 months that she was cheating on. Unbelievable.

 

[azwriter]

There are so many components to this case. Things "Casy Said.." "Casy did.." that will unend the defense train from the start.

Were I on the jury, I would never be able to get past the lack of reporting a missing child for 31 days. No word to mom and dad for help, no word to LE. If her wallet were missing she would have no doubt let everyone know and sent out a search party.

My mind would stick on the 31 days and no amount of explanation would clear this fact from my mind as a juror. jmo

 

[chefmom]

There are so many components to this case. Things "Casy Said.." "Casy did.." that will unend the defense train from the start.

Were I on the jury, I would never be able to get past the lack of reporting a missing child for 31 days. No word to mom and dad for help, no word to LE. If her wallet were missing she would have no doubt let everyone know and sent out a search party.

My mind would stick on the 31 days and no amount of explanation would clear this fact from my mind as a juror. jmo

ITA! It's hard to believe that they haven't begged the SA for a plea deal. The idea of JB and CM thinking they are going to make this turn out in KC's favor is unfathomable. It is going to be a trainwreck! Of biblical proportions! All moo.

 

[janine]

ITA! It's hard to believe that they haven't begged the SA for a plea deal. The idea of JB and CM thinking they are going to make this turn out in KC's favor is unfathomable. It is going to be a trainwreck! Of biblical proportions! All moo.

BBM-

Hi-
The thing to keep in mind is that if JB asks for, or had accepted a plea, he gets no credit for this DP case. This is about saving her life only and about JB's career afterwards- IMO. If they successfully keep her off death row, they win in their eyes. The DT knows this, including CM, but it's not their job to say this out loud. It all boils down to the evidence and they see what all of us see. I think that the others abandoning ship were for ethics reasons. They have some, JB doesn't.

There are some Defense Attorneys that are truly bleeding heart types who believe in due process, who fight the good fight, for all the right reasons and who choose that side of the coin because they want the scales of justice to be even- and then there are the JB's of the world. He is in this for all the wrong reasons. He's in this for personal gain. It's not too often these very high-profile cases grab hold and the guy who gets the big fish, gets remembered. He gets nothing if he pleas this out.

JB doesn't see a trainwreck- he sees a future with many clients. Again, IMO

 

[Just Jayla]

BBM-

Hi-
The thing to keep in mind is that if JB asks for, or had accepted a plea, he gets no credit for this DP case. This is about saving her life only and about JB's career afterwards- IMO. If they successfully keep her off death row, they win in their eyes. The DT knows this, including CM, but it's not their job to say this out loud. It all boils down to the evidence and they see what all of us see. I think that the others abandoning ship were for ethics reasons. They have some, JB doesn't.

There are some Defense Attorneys that are truly bleeding heart types who believe in due process, who fight the good fight, for all the right reasons and who choose that side of the coin because they want the scales of justice to be even- and then there are the JB's of the world. He is in this for all the wrong reasons. He's in this for personal gain. It's not too often these very high-profile cases grab hold and the guy who gets the big fish, gets remembered. He gets nothing if he pleas this out.

JB doesn't see a trainwreck- he sees a future with many clients. Again, IMO

As Lee so adeptly pointed out, JB is in this as a businessman.

Thing is, unless JB gets celeb clients or more cases of this magnitude wherein a book deal is an option, he doesn't stand to make as much money as he could in, say, the civil arena. Not sure why he doesn't go into that...

It was a fluke that he got this case, it could have been any attorney in Orlando. I don't think he'll get another at-bat like this. Meanwhile, the Morgan firm is the most successful in the state.

 

[darnudes]

There are so many components to this case. Things "Casy Said.." "Casy did.." that will unend the defense train from the start.

Were I on the jury, I would never be able to get past the lack of reporting a missing child for 31 days. No word to mom and dad for help, no word to LE. If her wallet were missing she would have no doubt let everyone know and sent out a search party.

My mind would stick on the 31 days and no amount of explanation would clear this fact from my mind as a juror. jmo

Cindy Anthony on TV first reeled me in then this call sealed the deal - This call when I first listened to it blew me away...

1. First thing Casey talks about is Cindy's cameo on TV
2. Cindy barely mentions Caylee before handing the phone to Lee
3. Lee tries to give it to Casey straight and gets no where
4. Kristina (bless her does her best) asks the most questions, gets the most emotional, really knows that something very wrong is going on, she also twigs to the fact that Casey is more concerned with talking to AL then talking about where Caylee supposedly is - smart girl Kristina, she knew from the beginning
5. Casey seals the deal with the nanny story, she also seals the deal that she has phone numbers that are now disconnected or no longer in use (what nanny phone numbers? Weren't they all in the other phone?)
6. Casey lies (in police interview) that she reported her "alleged" missing phone as stolen to Universal security - 9 days ago, but doesn't report her daughter missing? Yeah right! Wonder what police thought of that lie - you report your phone missing but not your daughter? Yep, even though that was a lie I still love how she lied about reporting the make believe phone as missing.

A jury can't get past this phone call and I for one, can't wait to watch ICA squirming in her seat as this is played to the Judge, the jury, the prosecutors, the defense team, the gallery and the whole world as a perfect example of how this is the REAL Casey Anthony. This call may not tell us anything about how Caylee died and when but it tells us every thing about ICA.

 

[Just Jayla]

Cindy Anthony on TV first reeled me in then this call sealed the deal - This call when I first listened to it blew me away...

1. First thing Casey talks about is Cindy's cameo on TV
2. Cindy barely mentions Caylee before handing the phone to Lee
3. Lee tries to give it to Casey straight and gets no where
4. Kristina (bless her does her best) asks the most questions, gets the most emotional, really knows that something very wrong is going on, she also twigs to the fact that Casey is more concerned with talking to AL then talking about where Caylee supposedly is - smart girl Kristina, she knew from the beginning
5. Casey seals the deal with the nanny story, she also seals the deal that she has phone numbers that are now disconnected or no longer in use (what nanny phone numbers? Weren't they all in the other phone?)
6. Casey lies (in police interview) that she reported her "alleged" missing phone as stolen to Universal security - 9 days ago, but doesn't report her daughter missing? Yeah right! Wonder what police thought of that lie - you report your phone missing but not your daughter? Yep, even though that was a lie I still love how she lied about reporting the make believe phone as missing.

A jury can't get past this phone call and I for one, can't wait to watch ICA squirming in her seat as this is played to the Judge, the jury, the prosecutors, the defense team, the gallery and the whole world as a perfect example of how this is the REAL Casey Anthony. This call may not tell us anything about how Caylee died and when but it tells us every thing about ICA.

Attach this to her text to TL about..."if they don't find Caylee, guess who spends eternity in jail?"

Let me take a stab at your riddle, Casey-Caylee's murderer spends eternity in jail.

 

[darnudes]

ringing, phone picked up, robotic voice over about call coming from the jail, and being recorded]


CI: Casey?
CA: Mom
CI: Casey
CA: Well, I just saw your nice little cameo on tv
CI: Which one?
CA: What do you mean which one?
CI: Which one? I did four different ones, and I don't know... I haven't seem
them all. I've only seen one. or two so far.
CA: You "don't know what my involvement is in stuff"?
CI: Casey...
CA: Mom
CI: What?
CA: No
CI: I don't know what your involvement is, sweetheart. You're not telling me
where she's at.
CA: Because I don't ****ing know where she's at. Are you kidding me?
CI: Casey. Don't waste your call to scream and hollar at me.
CA: Waste my call? Sitting in, oh... the jail with all the punks or where all the punks are?
CI: Whose fault is you sitting in the jail. Are you blaming me that you're sitting
in the jail. Blame yourself(?) for telling lies.
CA: It's not my fault
CI: What do you mean its not your
fault? What do you mean its not your fault, sweetheart? If you'd have told them
the truth and not lied about everything they wouldn't...
CA: Do me a favor. Just tell me what Tony's number is. I don't want to talk to you
right now. Forget it.
CI: I don't have his number
CA: Uhm Well get it from Lee because I know Lee's at the house. I saw Mallory's car
was out front. It was just on the news, they just were live outside the house.
CI: I know they were
CA: Well?
CI: Well?
CA: Can you get Tony's number?

*pause, Cindy gives phone to Lee*

LA: Hey...?
CA: Hey. Can you give me Tony's number.
LA: I... I can do that. I don't know what... real good it's going to do you at this
point.
CA: Well, I'd like to talk to him anyway.
LA: Okay-
CA: Because I called to talk to my mother, and it... it's... it's a ****ing waste.
Oh, by the way, I don't want any of you coming up here when I have my... my first
appearance for bond and everything else. Like, don't even waste your time coming
up here.
LA: You know, you're having a real tough... you're making it real tough for anybody
to want to even assist you with giving you [Casey talks over, unintelligible]
Tony's phone number. You're not even letting me finish. I really-
CA: Go ahead
LA: First you're asking for Tony's phone number so you can call him. And then you
immediately want to start cussing towards me, and start saying don't even worry
about coming up here for all this stuff, and trying to cut us out.
CA: I'm not trying to cut anybody out.
LA: I'm not going around and around with you. You know? That's pretty pointless.
I'm not gonna go through... not going to put everybody else through the same
stuff you've been putting the police and everybody else through for the last
twenty-four hours, and the stuff you've been putting Mom through for the last
four or five weeks. I'm done with that. So, you can tell me what's going on.
Christina would love to talk to you 'cause she thinks you will tell her what's
going on. Frankly, we're gonna find out. Something - whatever's going on, it's
going to be found out. So why not do it now, save yourself [unint]
CA: There's nothing to find out. There's absolutely nothing to find out. That's even
what I told the detectives.
LA: Well, you know everything you've told them is a lie
CA: I have no clue where Caylee is. If I knew where Caylee was, do you think any of
this would be happening? No.
LA: Anyway, you've only got a couple of minutes of this. I'm not gonna let you clearly
waste it. Here's Christina. She thinks she can get through to you.
LA: No. No. I want Tony's number. I'm not talking to anybody else.

CX: Hello?
Ca: Hi. I'm glad everybody's at my house. I'll have to call you later, or I'll... have
to call somebody to get your number. Do me a favor and get my brother back because
I need Tony's number.
Fr: Okay.. Uhm, is there anything I can do for you?
CA: I'm sitting in jail. There's nothing that anybody can do right now.
Fr: Well, I'm just trying to be...
CA: Oh I know you are, honey. I absolutely know that you are, and I understand
everything that you're trying to do but uh, I'd like to call Tony. He's not
at my house, is he?
Fr: No, it's just me. And your parents. And Lee.
CA: Ok, well. Can you do me a favor and get my brother back, or get the number
from him please.
Fr: Uhm, Does Tony have anything to do with Caylee.
CA: No. [noticeable pause] Nothing.
fR: Ok, so why... do you want to talk to Tony?
CA: I...
FR: You probably don't want to tell me, do you?
CA: What did you.... I didn't hear what you said?
FR: I said did Tony have anything to do with Caylee.
CA: NO, Tony had nothing to do with Caylee.
FR: So why do you want to talk to him?
CA: Because he's my boyfriend. And I want to actually sit and talk to him. Because I didn't
get a chance to talk to him earlier. Because I got arrested on a ****ing whim today.
Because they're blaming me for stuff that I never would do, that I did not do.
** {1 - the Y in 'my' is very drawn out - 'myyyyyyyy'. Dunno why I hang on that, but I do}
FR: Well, I'm on nobod... I'm on your side, you know that, right?
CA: Oh honey, I know that. I want to talk to Tony, get a little bit of...
Fr: Casey. You have to tell me if you know anything about Caylee.
CA: Sweetheart, if I
Fr: If anything happens to Caylee, Casey, I'll die [crying] Do you understand? I'll die, if anything happens to...
CA: [breaking in] Oh well
Fr: that baby.
CA: Oh. My. God. Calling you guys? Waste, huge waste. Honey, I love you. You know I would not let anything happen to
my daughter.
Fr: Well, how come everybody's saying that you're lying?
CA: Because nobody's ****ing listening to anything that I'm saying. The media completely misconstrued everything that
I said. The ****ing detectives told them [?? pretty sure she says "****ing bull****"]. They got all of their
information from me, yet at the same time, they're twisting stuff. They're... they've already said they're going
to pin this on me if they don't find Caylee. They've already said that.
FR: Well.
CA: They arrested me because they said that...
Fr: Yea, because they said that the person you dropped Caylee with doesn't even exist.
CA: Because. Oh, look, they can't find her in the Florida database. [noticable pause] She's not just from FL. [noticable
pause] If they would actually listen to anything I would have said to them, they'd have had her [?? -"lease?"
"leads"?], they maybe could have tracked her down. They haven't listened to a ****ing thing I've said.
FR: Do you know that... Whoever has Caylee, nobody's going to get away with it. Nobody.
CA: I know nobody's going to get away with it. But at the same time, the only way they're going to find Caylee is if they
listen to what I'm saying. I'm trying to help them. They're not letting me help them.
FR: Well, how can I help them find her? The best thing you can do, baby, listen to me...
CA: They need... to look up her information in a NY database. In a NC database. Other places that she's lived outside of
Florida. That's what I told them even again today. I told them that four times today. I sat up at the police station-
the county police station from-
FR: Is she the one who has Caylee, or has she transferred Caylee to someone else?
CA: Honey, I haven't talked to her. I don't know. I haven't talked to her.
Fr: How come everybody's saying that you're not upset, that you're not crying, that you show no caring of where Caylee is
at all?
CA: Because I'm not sitting here ****ing crying every two seconds. Because I have to stay composed to... talk to detectives,
to... make other phone calls, to do other things. I can't sit here and be crying every two seconds like I want to. I can't.
FR: Okay, Casey. Don't yell at me. I'm on your side. I'm on your...
CA: [Unint. "No, you're not?"]. I know you're on my side
FR: Trust me. Nobody is saying anything bad about you. Your family is with you 100%
CA: No they're not. That's ****ing bull**** cause I just watched the ****ing news and heard everything my mom said. Nobody in my
own family is on my side.
FR: Yes they are. Nobody has said
CA: They just want Caylee back. That's all they're worried about right now, is getting Caylee back. And you know what? That's all
I care about right now.
FR: Casey. Your daughter. ["Your"? "They're"?] your flesh and blood. Your baby girl...
CA: Christina. Please, put my brother back on the phone. I don't want to get into this right now with you. I love you honey, and
I'm glad that you're there. Thanks for you help. I will let you know if there's anything that you can do.
FR: You can't tell me anybody that can find Caylee? Nobody?
CA: No. Because every number that I've tried, every number that I've called is disconnected. Nothing. I can't get ahold of anybody.
FR: But that, that girl was the last person to have her?
CA: She was the last person to have her. That was the last time I saw Caylee.
FR: Ok. Lee says he doesn't have Tony's phone number.
CA: Yes he does. He has Tony's phone number in his phone. He needs to stop ****ing lying. He just told me that he's not going to go
give me the number
FR: So if I go and get you Tony's number, are you going to finish talking to me?
CA: I... I will call you tomorrow. I want to talk to him really quick now, and I want to actually try to close my eyes. I haven't
slept in four days. I have not slept in four days.
FR: Listen. If you're going to talk to anybody, you can talk to me. You know that.
CA: I know I can talk to you. But at the same time, I know I can talk to Tony, and that's who I want to talk to right now. I haven't
gotten a chance to talk to him since this morning since all this stuff happened. With trying to set up the MySpace -I made the
Myspace, and [unint]
FR: Do you know the password to that Myspace?
CA: I made all of it!
FR: What's the password to that MySpace so we can see if anyone's wrote in any leads of where Caylee may be.
CA: You can go online and see it. As far as messages, I don't know if anybody's going to be messaging stuff. The pass [inaudible,
edited out in tape]

[Christina confirms the pass, you can hear Lee in the background but not clearly all the time. He asks Christina to hold on one second]
[for him. PURELY SPECULATION on my part, but I feel as if he is writing things down and trying to get Christina to ask them, rather than]
[letting Casey hear him ask Christina certain things]

FR: Ok, um. Tony's number. You ready?
CA: Yea
FR: [inaudible, edited out in tape]. Can Tony tell me anything?
CA: Baby, Tony doesn't know anything. And I haven't even talked to him since this morning.
FR: Has Tony seen Caylee?
CA: Tony hasn't seen Caylee since the beginning of June. What was the number again? I will
find a way to call you back later. Leave your number at my house with my mom so I can get
it. And I will either call you later tonight or in the morning [<- not sure if it was 'in the morning' exactly, but it was close*]
FR: How can I get ahold of you?
CA: Uhm, I'm at the jail - you can't.
FR: Okay. Can you... do you have a way to write my phone number down?
CA: No. I have no way of writing it down. I have to remember Tony's number. [unint] try to memorize his number right now.
FR: Ok
CA: No. I. Just leave your number with my mom, and I will try to call you in the morning if I don't get a chance to call you tonight.
FR: So. How can I find out the information about that girl? Is that in Florida, or...
CA: Have them look up a NY license for a Zenaida Fernandez Hyphen Gonzalez. They've just been looking up the last name Gonzalez or the
last name Fernandez, If they'd look up her entire name, they might actually find her. They haven't done that. They haven't listened
to anything I've said.
[spelling of Zenaida is clarified, full name is repeated 2x]
FR: Where does she live? Because they went and looked at her place-
CA: Christina, baby, you're not telling me anything I don't already know. Again, I only been in jail since ohhh, about eight-thirty
tonight. I was with them all day today. I know that. I was with officers pretty much since nine o'clock last night up until today.
Like, up until this evening when I came up here.
FR: But you're telling the whole truth and nothing but the truth? 'cause they'll find-
CA: [unint] have no clue where my daughter is. Yea, that is the truth. That is the absolute truth
FR: They'll find out. And whoever-
CA: oK, Christina. I'm hanging up. I need to make this other call before I forget the number. So I will call you later.
FR: OK
CA: Bye


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[darnudes]

I love it how ICA says it's not her fault - there, right there, says it all.

Casey Anthony does not think it is her fault she is sitting in jail with all the "punks"

How dare anyone try to find Caylee - ICA is a gonner come trial - this call will sink her.

Thanks to the bump on this, it's good to discuss it again.

 

[LolaMoon08]

This phone call was made before any of the Anthony's became "hip" to what was being recorded, what could be released, etc... This was Casey Anthony in all her glory.

The exchange between Cindy and Casey early in the phone call has always bothered me. Casey bringing up Cindy's "cameos" and Cindy basically rubbing it in by saying "Which one?" Cindy was loving the attention... the spotlight. Casey was angry that Cindy was getting all this attention when she is not even Caylee's mother. It was another one of those moments where you could just feel the contempt Casey had for Cindy.

I never understood why Cindy even entertained answering Casey's question about her media appearances? Why would that even be important?

Lee's portion of the interview... he was fed up with Casey. He knew something was going on and even told her that they would find out... if only he would have remained this Lee Anthony that wasn't going to go "round and round" with her.

Yes, Kristina had Casey's number. She knew something was terribly wrong. You could tell Kristina was horrified when Casey stated "All they care about is getting Caylee back" and Kristina replied something like "Casey, this is your daughter, your flesh in blood, your baby girl" and Casey snaps at Kristina about not wanting to get into this with her.

This is my favorite piece of evidence that really goes to Casey's "state of mind." This is not a woman who was disassociated or detached because she is suffering from some sort of PTSD. This is a young woman who showed nothing but contempt because all anyone cared about at that moment was Caylee when they should have been more worried about getting her Tony's number. This call is going to sink Casey Anthony. There is no getting around it. I don't know anyone, I don't care what kind of degree they have, who can make a jury understand Casey's behavior in this phone call. You can not explain something like this away. It is what it is. Simple. Plain as day. This is Casey Anthony.

 

[janine]

CA: It's not my fault
CI: What do you mean its not your
fault? What do you mean its not your fault, sweetheart? If you'd have told them

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Respectfully snipped for space-

I was wondering if I'm the only one who heard that..:crazy:

IT'S NOT MY FAULT.................

Unreal. The whole call is unreal but this part just slays me. Typical sociopath. Not her fault- no, not at all. :innocent:

 

[HopeForUs]

I haven't been able to keep up with this case, as I normally would, for one reason bc there's so much info to read and study. But I do feel as though I'm more informed than most, and certainly wouldn't make it into a jurors seat. With all that being said, I just cant figure out why this family, even though they held out hope that Caylee was still alive, and I believe knew in their hearts that she wasn't, didn't cooperate more with police! To HE## with ICA, she was a goner anyway! Save that BABY if there's even a speck of a chance. I sit here reading docs and listening to calls and I wonder if any of the family, other than the moral idiot, can sleep at night. They STILL have a chance to make things halfways right, but of course they're in denial and still looking for an alive Caylee (God Rest Her Soul). I truly believe that I would sell her out like a dimestore sucker if I could just to honor my Grandchild's life if I were them. Sorry for the rant, as far as the call, it says it all. SHE IS THE HUGE WASTE!:banghead:

 

[Curious Me]

Right off, I hope the State presents the opening facts of this case by first showing Caylee's beautiful pics and the video of Caylee singing, and then the panic of the 911 calls, and then info Casey supplies, oh but they were lies, and then this phone call from the jail. Wow!

How I wish I could see the jurors faces as they listen to this first call from jail recording. We haven't even started talking about the smell in the car yet.

No way does Casey sound helpless or troubled. She is the one in complete control. Seems you can't spin it any other way.

See, Casey, it wasn't a huge waste to call the house.

 

[ziggy]

Yep, when you set aside all the sand the defense and the Anthonys have tried to throw in the face of reality, and you just listen to this audio again, the truth is very clear...they all knew Casey had something to do with Caylee being missing and Kristina feared the worst.

Lee was in fact very perturbed with Casey's attempt at avoiding the truth Even Cindy is irked, but only in the sense that she sticks it to Casey for getting herself thrown in jail by her lies and basically after Casey says, "It's not my fault" Cindy DOES confront Casey with her lies and the consequence. You can hear how all three of them are just gob smacked that Casey's most pressing issue is getting Tony's number... they are pretty much in disbelief and Lee borders on being pissed.

Interesting that Casey knows Lee is at the house because she was watching the live news reports and saw Mallory's car at the house - and she knows Lee has Tony's number and you just feel like, OMG, that was her most pressing issue???? In the early reports at least Cindy was being truthful in saying she didn't know what Casey's involvement was. This and the 911 call show that Cindy has now distorted all reality in favor of her daughter and family but it's having the opposite effect and making them ALL look twisted and sketchy.

Kristina - if you did not know Kristina was not an Anthony, you'd be able to figure it out because of the distinct difference in the emotion and content of her conversation. She knows Casey is not telling the truth, she's trying so very hard to get something and she sincerely chokes up at the thought something horrible has happened to Caylee - nothing either Anthony has done. Is it because they know what Casey is capable of? Is it because Casey has done these passive aggressive things before and they figured she was just being a biotch to Cindy? Must be something like that because Kristina is horrified that Casey wants Tony's number, that she's not upset and that she's lied to police and can't even comprehend what's going on because it's so bizarre - she asks Casey if she is telling the truth - the whole truth. She seems to need to confirm this because she's not buying Casey's story that LE has not listened to her and she's trying to help them but they just won't listen and look up ZFG in database for NY or NC.

This call is still unbelievable to me and I've heard it before. A jury will understand, as reasonable people, they will get it.

How could the Anthonys have simply bought in and turned on Caylee? That's terribly sad. I bet Kristina hasn't.

 

[HopeForUs]

TY Ziggy for helping me realize the point I was trying to make (got lost in my own disbelief, although I too have heard this call many times b4). How could they possibly sell this little helpless baby out? Especially this early in the investigation. IIRC this is day 2 for the As, but I do think that knowing ICA is to really KNOW her, and they know she's a liar, and said so. Which brings me to the point of why now are they trying to defend her? She's already lost to them anyway. She doesn't give a rat's a## about any of them, and continues to show it. Also, yes I do believe she's a sociopath w/narcissitic tendencies, from my experience from studying about her & a former friend who was a mini ICA, just not homicidal.
IMO

 

[ziggy]

Hey HopeForUs it is incredible that they try to defend their lying, manipulating, self-serving daughter but I know a few people who have sociopaths for kids and refuse to reckognize it. They somehow just keep falling for the manipulating lies with hope that if they just hang in there a miracle will happen and their children will become loving, caring people. WRONG. Like most parents, the A's did not realize that by not confronting KC with her lies EVERY TIME that they were pertpetuating her faulty reality that she could get away with anything and lie her way out of rough spots...much like Scott Peterson and others. Parents don't think THEIR kids are capable of such horrible acts, therefore the A's sell out Caylee who is already gone, just to keep from having to admit they are WRONG about Casey. They just can't admit they were wrong - they all have similar personality problems.

 

[HopeForUs]

Agreed! Especially abt the family trait of personality probs. Part of me wants to feel sorry for this family, but they truly are bizarre. I think that when their habits and lies come out in court, they'll have no way to talk in circles like they do, and confuse everyone, with their wierd abstract code talk. JB is just as wierd as the A's so he should be a perfect fit as well, but I know JP ain't gonna allow doublespeak in his courtroom!!

 

[Gnatcatcher]

Right off, I hope the State presents the opening facts of this case by first showing Caylee's beautiful pics and the video of Caylee singing, and then the panic of the 911 calls, and then info Casey supplies, oh but they were lies, and then this phone call from the jail. Wow!

How I wish I could see the jurors faces as they listen to this first call from jail recording. We haven't even started talking about the smell in the car yet.

No way does Casey sound helpless or troubled. She is the one in complete control. Seems you can't spin it any other way.

See, Casey, it wasn't a huge waste to call the house.

Ah, thank you for this comment. I was coming into this thread to ask everyone when exactly they thought this call would be brought up at trial, and your first sentence here nicely gives me a place I'm comfortable with. Pictures of Caylee first, let's identify "that little girl", give her a name and a face and GOSH DARN IT... AN IDENTITY... which seems to have been taken away from her over these last 2.5 years... and then unfold the drama with this call. I hope, I hope, I hope this is how they start. I know there is a thread about opening statements, I haven't been over to that yet, or at least in a very long time, but am so glad you brought this thought in here. Thanks.

 

[hornswoggled]

That first phone call invalidated everything positive that her family and her attorney said about Casey from that day until now. That phone call was damning to her defense. If you throw out everything but that one phone call, it gives a clear picture of the kind of person Casey is, and makes clear the fact that her very last concern was her daughter.

"That's all they're worried about right now is getting Caylee back". ​

Her mouth outran her brain (short race). That bell has been rung, that ship has sailed, etc, etc ,etc. No amount of spin can undo her very own words.