2008.07.16 Interrogation First recording

[Solace]

By skillful I meant to suggest she is an expert at lying. I've rarely seen anyone who can lie with such ease, authoratativeness and spontaneity. Not saying she's a good or believable liar, but she is skilled.

This is definitely true - see what you mean. Sociopath in action.

 

[jennyb]

BBM

and not directed at you,Janine ,but this is what ticks me off about the A's.
What they could do is stand up for Caylee.She's the victim,not Casey.
If they want to help Casey,fine.Mitigate ,but don.t cover up.
Can you imagine if someone else had been arrested for this,the family would happily go along,even knowing Casey did it.
Innocent people are being hurt by the A's lies.For what? To let their daughter get away with murdering their grandaughter? Yuri was trying to help them .Tim Miller was trying to help them.Mark NeJame was trying to help them.Jesse Grund was trying to help them.Amy H. was trying to help them.
Casey was trying to help Casey and these videos are he proof.

Yes and Cindy's continued messages to KC. "Don't break", "stay strong". She has done nothing to save her daughter. I don't call this any kind of love. Certainly not for Caylee, and not for Casey either.

"Don't worry I didn't say anything". This should have been met with: "You tell them everything, you hear me!? You tell the truth because you're in terrible trouble and you have to do something to save yourself!"

A responsible, mature, loving adult would have counseled their daughter to cooperate, not to lie. Casey is in dire circumstances now and I don't know why Cindy thinks she can beat the rap. What's wrong with this woman?

Apple/tree.

 

[Mendara]

Bold mine.

I agree, except, I think the story KC came up with was just for CA and GA. She had to do some major improvising when it turned out that she needed a story for the cops. I don't think KC ever thought that the police would be brought in. I bet as Cindy made that first 911 call, KC figured Cindy would hang up just before someone answered...as Cindy probably threatened KC this way in the past and had always threatened and then hung up. Surprise, surprise...not this time, Princess.

I agree with you. I think KC's world was her world. I would go farther to say that she made up the kidnapping story on the spot when Lee told her that she would have to explain to the cops when they arrived. I do not think she had that story in her pocket WAITING to get caught. I think she never expected to get caught. I think she was planning on saying Caylee was with the nanny for as long as she could and I think she planned on some other horrible thing, like getting rid of her parents in the long run.

I think she was going to try and distance herself from her mother and eventually tell her she never wanted to see her again. She would never have to produce Caylee in this scenerio and she would just tell Tony that she gave up Caylee. She had new friends that did not knwo her home situation she could stay anything to them. She was closing the door on old friends.

SHE did NOT expect Amy to lead Cindy to Tony's door.

That was a surprise. Even then she did not expect the media or LE to care about Caylee so much especially after tellign people ZGF loved Caylee and that she had just spoken to her. MO

 

[Mendara]

Casey is very good at muddying the waters with confusing and unecessary details (cell phone numbers, sim cards, locations, residences and on and on and on and on). It is a technique meant to distract. I've said it before and I'll say it again,Casey is a skillful liar. Comes from lots of practice and years of living with such an example (paging George Anthony).

You are correct - GA does the same thing - his lies are full of details, flavors that constantly change. Like when eh says he saw KC and Caylee the morning of June 16th - he adds so many details and then changes them and adds love and butterflies, by the time he is done speaking it sounds so much like hogwash you feel dirty. MO

 

[jon_burrows]

This has probably been posted before but I listened to the tapes again and zeroed in on the Jeff & Juliette lies. She keeps getting tangled up in her lies so she simply creates more lies. It's really unsettling to say the least to listen to these now, knowing where Caylee was during that time. My comments in red.

The second video starting at 1:50

Q: Have you talked to anyone about the fact that Caylee is missing?
C: Outside a couple of people, a couple mutual friends (I think Casey thought she could leave it at that without giving any names but YM questioned her further)
Q: Who did you talk to about it?
A: Jeffrey Hopkins (no mention of Juliette yet)
A: I also attempted to contact Zenaida's mother and never received a call back from her.
Q: Do you know Zenaida's mother's name?
A: Ummmm (sighs), wow, off-hand ummmm, I think it's Gloooooria
Q: Do you know a telephone number for Zenaid'a mom?
A: I do not (she just said she attempted to contact Zenaida's mom, did she do it with a tin can and string?)
Q: Do you have any of these numbers programmed into your SIM card that you kept in your other phone?
A: No I do not (if you don't know her number, don't have it written down, and don't have it on the SIM card, how did you attempt to contact her?)
Q: How long did you have this old phone?
A: I've had the Nokia for almost a full year
Q: So after a full year of dealing with Zenaida and having her babysit you don't have
A: Casey talks over YM and starts talking about Zenaida switching phones, switching phone services (she knows she's been caught in a lie so she goes on a tangent about switching phones services to try and cover that lie with another lie)
Q: What about Jeffrey, you've known him for at least four years?
A: His number has changed a couple different times, he moved (everybody switches phones and numbers every time YM tries to get a straight answer from Casey).
A: I know I do have a current number for him.
Q: How can you get that number?
A: If we can get that other phone, I might have it on line, I may be able to access it on line. (might, maybe, sheesh, she gets caught in a lie then starts the might, maybe talk. Keep in mind Jeff is only one of two people on earth she talked to about a KIDNAPPING of her own child and now suddenly she's not sure how to contact him)
Q: Who else did you talk to? (why didn't she say Juliette at the very beginning when she said Jeffrey? The lies keep on coming)
A: Juliette Lewis, she IS one of my coworkers at Universal
Q: Do you still work at Universal?
A: Yes :liar:
Q: What do you do at Universal?
A: Event Coordinator :liar:
Q: What does Juliette, what position does she have?
A: She's also an Event Coordinator, we work in the same department
Q: You have a number for Juliette?
A: Pause, hmmmm, off hand, pause, I can't think of one (she's having a really hard time at this point keeping up with the lies, she needs a chance to think about more)
Q: Is she in your SIM card?
A: No she's not, her number just changed, she moved back up north (she just said she works with her, they work in the same department and she is an event coordinator)
Q: So Juliette doesn't work at Universal anymore?
A: No she does not (she just said she works there)
Q: When did she leave Universal?
A: About two months ago.
YM: :banghead: ullhair:
Q: Who else did you talk to about it?
A: It's been within that small group.
More lies..went to bars, Fusion, random talk, blah blah blah
Q: Did you tell anyone specifically that Zenaida took your child?
A: No (she just said she told Jeff and Juliette but quickly recovered)
A: The only people I specifically told were Jeff and Juliette.
Q: And you don't have a number for Juliette?
A: Pause, not off hand, no I do not
Q: It's not on your phone? Might be on line? (YM can predict her lies now)
A: It's definitely on line, I know it's on one of our old worksheets, Umm, her old number, I'm not sure it's still active, I know she does have a new number that I just programmed into that other phone. (that darn other phone... if they could just find that other non-existent phone she would have all the numbers, how convenient)
Q: When was the last time you spoke to Juliette?
A: Sigh, hmmmmmm, about three weeks ago, shortly after this happened
Q: So you talked to her AFTER she left?
A: Uh huh. She just told him she works with Juliette as an event coordinator, now suddenly she hasn't talked to her in three weeks.
YM pauses in his questioning.
I think YM is dumbfounded, he's catching her in lie after lie after lie and they keep coming. She confides in Juliette and Jeff, the only two people on earth she tells that her daughter has been kidnapped then suddenly she can't reach either one of them. Would anyone on this planet tell people that their child has been kidnapped then just drop the subject and the friends drop the subject too...never to speak of it again. :waitasec:

I think Zenaida, Zenaida's mother, Jeffrey, and Juliette were all abducted by aliens. That is the only way this makes any sense.

:ufo:
IMO

 

[Solace]

You are correct - GA does the same thing - his lies are full of details, flavors that constantly change. Like when eh says he saw KC and Caylee the morning of June 16th - he adds so many details and then changes them and adds love and butterflies, by the time he is done speaking it sounds so much like higwash you feel dirty. MO

They all do it; the only one who does not is LEE and if you notice Lee is not around anymore. He is not sitting in the courtroom with his mother and father.

I did get the impression he feels bad for KC; he looked at her after he said "maybe" meaning maybe I was lyng to her and she ignored him. One slight thing to KC and she will cut you off forever, but she kills her child and all should look the other way. Cindy and George are looking the other way. I don't get that impression anymore with Lee. Could be wrong.

But they all emblish and they never directly answer the question unless pressured. They are all smarter than the rest and about the dumbest trio I have ever seen. Cindy starts to talk and everyone moans. George can't answer yes or no either.

It is painful listening to them.

I did see LDB cut Cindy off with EXCUSE ME and after a while Cindy got the message. Crash course in how to answer a question honestly.

 

[Mendara]

They all do it; the only one who does not is LEE and if you notice Lee is not around anymore. He is not sitting in the courtroom with his mother and father.

I did get the impression he feels bad for KC; he looked at her after he said "maybe" meaning maybe I was lyng to her and she ignored him. One slight thing to KC and she will cut you off forever, but she kills her child and all should look the other way. Cindy and George are looking the other way. I don't get that impression anymore with Lee. Could be wrong.

But they all emblish and they never directly answer the question unless pressured. They are all smarter than the rest and about the dumbest trio I have ever seen. Cindy starts to talk and everyone moans. George can't answer yes or no either.

It is painful listening to them.

I did see LDB cut Cindy off with EXCUSE ME and after a while Cindy got the message. Crash course in how to answer a question honestly.

I just watched Cindy's recap interview with Yuri when he is hold ing her hands in his and he is desperatly trying to get her to understand that HE IS TRYING TO FIND CAYLee and that HE ONLY WANTS TO FIND CAYLEE and how can he do that if SHE CINDY is going out to the media and saying things like:

"I know the name of the person who has Caylee, but I am not revealing that"

He is begging her not to go to the media and put out there that Caylee may be safe and that they know where she is because it is interfering with actually finding her that people are going to view the situation not as seriously as they should.

HE is literally begging her and she is just not understanding how her lies are destroying their chances of finding Caylee for real.

She keeps insisting that Jesse and Amy are suspects and she keeps coming up with really bad evidence to back up her claims referring to codes in KC"s lies.

Yuri is so frustrated.

 

[joypath]

I think Cindy is still trying to figue out how the patient with pseudomonas got into the trunk of Casey's car.

JUST :floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

but then that's my :innocent: take on MOST of Cindy's "medical/scientific" input:waitasec: ! :banghead::banghead:

 

[ynotdivein]

So she got two phones thru work. Lie. Doesn't have a job. One phone doesn't keep a charge. No one would continue to switch a sim car between a phone that wouldn't hold a charge and one that would. They would just keep the phone that worked and if necessary spend time to manually convert all of the numbers to the working phone's address book and give the non-functioning one back. Duh!

Respectfully snipped/bolded for focus: Anytime I've had to go from one phone to another, it has taken the work of a mere few minutes for the store staff to hook both phones up to some magical transfer machine that takes the stored numbers from the old phone and puts them in the new phone's brain.

Of all the lies KC told, this is hardly the most significant, but wow it sure does show that she was spinning, spinning, spinning madly to create her story in real time.

 

[Solace]

Respectfully snipped/bolded for focus: Anytime I've had to go from one phone to another, it has taken the work of a mere few minutes for the store staff to hook both phones up to some magical transfer machine that takes the stored numbers from the old phone and puts them in the new phone's brain.

Of all the lies KC told, this is hardly the most significant, but wow it sure does show that she was spinning, spinning, spinning madly to create her story in real time.

Actually, I think the worst lie ALL THREE OF THE ANTHONYS TOLD was they did not know the number for Zannie. George left it to Cindy, Cindy had it on a post it - which she did not call immediately upon finding that Caylee was with Zannie - later that evening she realized she had it on a post it - at the time she was not focused on that (see we are supposed to believe that b$%^chit, because we are all stupid, and KC can't remember the phone off hand, but IF SHE CAN FIND the other phone (and she put in a report for the lost phone, she should be able to get the number. But Zannie has been working FOR her for at least two years - but she moves a lot.

It is amazing that Cindy would give that number to the police officer (if you can believe it - they all lie so much) because in her e-mails, Shirley Pleasea, speaks of all the bogus numbers CA has called.

And right Cindy, we all believe that you would NOT have called the number for Zannie as soon as KC told you Zannie kidnapped Caylee because you did not focus in on that. Riggggggggggggght.

Cindy called that number and knew it was bogus. So when you hear her on the 911 call (the third call) where she is telling George Caylee is gone and she can't even get the name out, that is real, because she knows that child is gone. IMO

 

[pip]

Actually, I think the worst lie ALL THREE OF THE ANTHONYS TOLD was they did not know the number for Zannie. George left it to Cindy, Cindy had it on a post it - which she did not call immediately upon finding that Caylee was with Zannie - later that evening she realized she had it on a post it - at the time she was not focused on that (see we are supposed to believe that b$%^chit, because we are all stupid, and KC can't remember the phone off hand, but IF SHE CAN FIND the other phone (and she put in a report for the lost phone, she should be able to get the number. But Zannie has been working FOR her for at least two years - but she moves a lot.

It is amazing that Cindy would give that number to the police officer (if you can believe it - they all lie so much) because in her e-mails, Shirley Pleasea, speaks of all the bogus numbers CA has called.

And right Cindy, we all believe that you would NOT have called the number for Zannie as soon as KC told you Zannie kidnapped Caylee because you did not focus in on that. Riggggggggggggght.

Cindy called that number and knew it was bogus. So when you hear her on the 911 call (the third call) where she is telling George Caylee is gone and she can't even get the name out, that is real, because she knows that child is gone. IMO

I'm confused about the 'lost phone'. So, when did she lose it? If we follow the fairytale: The day she went to pick up Caylee from Zanny, no one was there so she called Zanny's phone and it was no longer in service. So...she had the phone that day. So she's out investigating her stolen child and loses the phone later? The only phone with all those important numbers to track Caylee's whereabouts? She only told two people, Jeff and Juliette...and of course that phone also had their numbers.. and she lost the phone? UH HUH.

 

[mysteriew]

LOL my life seems so mundane compared to the people in KC's stories. Everybody is getting new phones.... with new numbers, everybody is changing jobs and everybody is moving.

In the second video I thought I heard just a little tremor in KC's voice when they got to Juliette. Specifically when YM was asking about Juliette's phone number. It seemed like it hit KC that he is not going to believe that she didn't have the phone number for all three of the people she called, and that the excuse that they all had new numbers was getting overused.

 

[Solace]

LOL my life seems so mundane compared to the people in KC's stories. Everybody is getting new phones.... with new numbers, everybody is changing jobs and everybody is moving.

In the second video I thought I heard just a little tremor in KC's voice when they got to Juliette. Specifically when YM was asking about Juliette's phone number. It seemed like it hit KC that he is not going to believe that she didn't have the phone number for all three of the people she called, and that the excuse that they all had new numbers was getting overused.

WEll, let me listen in again and I will get back to you. I always like listening to people who are absolutely lying. Some of them are good. But see, I don't think she is good. Too many OHHH ABSOLUTELY's etc.

Okay, here we go: Question of the day: How many people do you know change their cell phone number when they move? What's that? Huh? Ohhhhhhhhhhh, none. Okay.

I think she sounds the most vulnerable when she can't remember the name of Zanaida's mom - wow, hmmmmmm, I think it is Gloria.

But personally, I think she sounds like a liar from the beginning. There is no terror in her voice at all. She does not know how to do that.

I just don't see the skill here. But I understand what some may mean; she does not get nervous. But getting nervous would make her skilled. To sound monotone gives her away completely. My opinion.

 

[pip]

WEll, let me listen in again and I will get back to you. I always like listening to people who are absolutely lying. Some of them are good. But see, I don't think she is good. Too many OHHH ABSOLUTELY's etc.

Too many ohhh absolutely's AND "No I do not's". Not just no, or no I don't...but, No I Do Not. Hinky.

 

[LinasK]

This has probably been posted before but I listened to the tapes again and zeroed in on the Jeff & Juliette lies. She keeps getting tangled up in her lies so she simply creates more lies. It's really unsettling to say the least to listen to these now, knowing where Caylee was during that time. My comments in red.

The second video starting at 1:50

Q: Have you talked to anyone about the fact that Caylee is missing?
C: Outside a couple of people, a couple mutual friends (I think Casey thought she could leave it at that without giving any names but YM questioned her further)
Q: Who did you talk to about it?
A: Jeffrey Hopkins (no mention of Juliette yet)
A: I also attempted to contact Zenaida's mother and never received a call back from her.
Q: Do you know Zenaida's mother's name?
A: Ummmm (sighs), wow, off-hand ummmm, I think it's Gloooooria
Q: Do you know a telephone number for Zenaid'a mom?
A: I do not (she just said she attempted to contact Zenaida's mom, did she do it with a tin can and string?)
Q: Do you have any of these numbers programmed into your SIM card that you kept in your other phone?
A: No I do not (if you don't know her number, don't have it written down, and don't have it on the SIM card, how did you attempt to contact her?)
Q: How long did you have this old phone?
A: I've had the Nokia for almost a full year
Q: So after a full year of dealing with Zenaida and having her babysit you don't have
A: Casey talks over YM and starts talking about Zenaida switching phones, switching phone services (she knows she's been caught in a lie so she goes on a tangent about switching phones services to try and cover that lie with another lie)
Q: What about Jeffrey, you've known him for at least four years?
A: His number has changed a couple different times, he moved (everybody switches phones and numbers every time YM tries to get a straight answer from Casey).
A: I know I do have a current number for him.
Q: How can you get that number?
A: If we can get that other phone, I might have it on line, I may be able to access it on line. (might, maybe, sheesh, she gets caught in a lie then starts the might, maybe talk. Keep in mind Jeff is only one of two people on earth she talked to about a KIDNAPPING of her own child and now suddenly she's not sure how to contact him)
Q: Who else did you talk to? (why didn't she say Juliette at the very beginning when she said Jeffrey? The lies keep on coming)
A: Juliette Lewis, she IS one of my coworkers at Universal
Q: Do you still work at Universal?
A: Yes :liar:
Q: What do you do at Universal?
A: Event Coordinator :liar:
Q: What does Juliette, what position does she have?
A: She's also an Event Coordinator, we work in the same department
Q: You have a number for Juliette?
A: Pause, hmmmm, off hand, pause, I can't think of one (she's having a really hard time at this point keeping up with the lies, she needs a chance to think about more)
Q: Is she in your SIM card?
A: No she's not, her number just changed, she moved back up north (she just said she works with her, they work in the same department and she is an event coordinator)
Q: So Juliette doesn't work at Universal anymore?
A: No she does not (she just said she works there)
Q: When did she leave Universal?
A: About two months ago.
YM: :banghead: ullhair:
Q: Who else did you talk to about it?
A: It's been within that small group.
More lies..went to bars, Fusion, random talk, blah blah blah
Q: Did you tell anyone specifically that Zenaida took your child?
A: No (she just said she told Jeff and Juliette but quickly recovered)
A: The only people I specifically told were Jeff and Juliette.
Q: And you don't have a number for Juliette?
A: Pause, not off hand, no I do not
Q: It's not on your phone? Might be on line? (YM can predict her lies now)
A: It's definitely on line, I know it's on one of our old worksheets, Umm, her old number, I'm not sure it's still active, I know she does have a new number that I just programmed into that other phone. (that darn other phone... if they could just find that other non-existent phone she would have all the numbers, how convenient)
Q: When was the last time you spoke to Juliette?
A: Sigh, hmmmmmm, about three weeks ago, shortly after this happened
Q: So you talked to her AFTER she left?
A: Uh huh. She just told him she works with Juliette as an event coordinator, now suddenly she hasn't talked to her in three weeks.
YM pauses in his questioning.
I think YM is dumbfounded, he's catching her in lie after lie after lie and they keep coming. She confides in Juliette and Jeff, the only two people on earth she tells that her daughter has been kidnapped then suddenly she can't reach either one of them. Would anyone on this planet tell people that their child has been kidnapped then just drop the subject and the friends drop the subject too...never to speak of it again. :waitasec:

I think Zenaida, Zenaida's mother, Jeffrey, and Juliette were all abducted by aliens. That is the only way this makes any sense.

:ufo:
IMO

:goodpost: This is an excellent point-by-point analysis of this interview and her lies. I'm assuming Det. Melich saw it the same way!:clap::clap::clap:

 

[pip]

Another Anthonyism..."Mutual friends"..

 

[janine]

You forgot - If there is a puppy, there must be a Zanny.

It's all just so logical.

Interesting. Yes- the puppy. CA claims that Caylee talked about a puppy. Didn't Anny have a puppy that Caylee liked to play with? I think Annie mentioned it in her Depo- Annie sounds very close to Zanny so maybe that's how CA put that together. Caylee may have said Annie to her at one time.

Also- Sticking with the lies...... No one has mentioned the most OUTRAGEOUS one on all. During the interview at Universal, ICA tells Yuri about the call Caylee made to her the day before. So I guess the day would be July 15th at 12 noon. How in gods name will her defense get around that ridiculous lie. This was her attempt at defusing the enormity of this situation.
"oh, Caylee called me"
"When?"
"yesterday, she sounded fine" Reading a book and telling me all about it"
- referring to the now famous video of darling Caylee reading to grampa-

And then goes on to tell Yuri about this call only to brush it off as "oh she's fine"..........

Unreal. How will they get passed this? No record of a call on her working phone the day before this interview! JB can not sweep it under the rug. It proves she knew her child was dead. Otherwise why try to make everyone believe she was still alive by such an obvious lie?

 

[janine]

Another Anthonyism..."Mutual friends"..

And neutral place.

What does that mean? Neutral place....:banghead:

Also- nothing is concrete!

"almost a full year"
"a year and a half- two years"
"10 months, give or take"
"hmmm, maybe two months"
"a couple of months, maybe longer"
etc.
All this is to make it sound more convincing. NOT

The lacking in commitment to these times means she can wiggle around it later, if need be.

 

[LinasK]

And neutral place.

What does that mean? Neutral place....:banghead:

Neutral place=Blockbuster Video. Zenaida/Zanny was taking Caylee there to rent the videos on kidnapping that Caylee so badly wanted to see.

 

[robotdog]

these ficticious people just need to learn to REACH OUT to each other

heheheheeeee
GRrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr