2008.07.28 Discuss Lee Interview

[Cher352]

Here is what is known regarding the second phone.

Perp claims she had and lost a Black Jack.

Perp stole $354 from her grandparents and spent it at an AT&T store.

Perp, when caught about the $354 theft, tells Grandma she had to buy a phone for work at Universal because everyone needed new phones (whatever) and Universal couldn't afford to buy them (whatever) and Universal was going to reimburse the money to them.

Uncle Rick in an email to Cindy states Grandma has documentation showing the theft of $354.

The speculation comes in on whether this money was used to actually buy a phone or was used to pay her existing phone bill. I have not read every post in every thread on this case, so could have missed it, but I have not seen the resolution to what this money was actually used for, a new phone or the phone bill, just know it is a fact the money went to AT&T.

Since Uncle Rick implies Grandma has documentation of stolen money going to AT&T, I feel it is a safe assumption perp wrote the check directly to AT&T, which means paper trail, which means LE knows if there is another phone only vs. another phone with new number.

Lanie

Yes, I always wondered about; was it for a new phone or just to pay her bill? Anyone know?

And if I remember correctly she didn't actually write AT&T a check she used the routing numbers from her birthday check, which to me would only be used on a phone call or on-line transaction.

 

[indicat]

I have to say that when watching the tapes I got a completely different sense from Casey's giggles. She seemed really, really nervous. Too quick to smile, laugh, and agree with him. Trying too hard to look like she's "on the same page" with him and really trying to be helpful. She seemes to pounce on any little thing he says that makes it sound like he's buying her story. I am (at this point) still willing to consider that he may have been trying to trick her into trusting him so she might cough up some relevant information. I am also willing to admit that I may be wrong - time will tell!

He is still very much an unknown player at this point because he has kept his mouth shut and stayed out of the media for quite sometime.

 

[Chilly Willy]

Yes, I always wondered about; was it for a new phone or just to pay her bill? Anyone know?

And if I remember correctly she didn't actually write AT&T a check she used the routing numbers from her birthday check, which to me would only be used on a phone call or on-line transaction.

I was in the middle of posting this same thing when my phone rang. My real phone, not a pretend one.

I think she paid her phone bill online with Grandma's money, just like she attempted to do with Amy's money.

 

[indicat]

I was in the middle of posting this same thing when my phone rang. My real phone, not a pretend one.

I think she paid her phone bill online with Grandma's money, just like she attempted to do with Amy's money.

and this is easy to do, I do it all the time and having a check in hand with a routing number AND account number would make is so simple

 

[Lanie]

We have so many rabbit holes around here that people jump down looking for the meaning of hidden codes or clues or the grain of truth in the lies. I just came here from another thread where people are trying to find map locations because they believe Casey said there are hidden clues in her passwords.

The Anthonys all tend to talk like aliens from outer space because they try to sound more educated or intelligent by using words and phrases that really aren't in their vocabularies. Lee and Casey seem to be the worst for this convoluted nonsense speech.

Do a Google search for Mrs. Malaprop.

You know, if you start out with a faulty premise, such as there are hidden clues or people are speaking in a code that you just need to decode to understand, everything following from that premise is going to be wrong.

Bolded by me.

I wonder if I am not explaining myself clearly.
The first bolding I agree with completely, this is what I have thought and posted about since these visitations were released. However, I can't prove this statement, so it is just an opinion I hold, also known as an assumption I am making.

Maybe I am misinterpreting second bolding, which I am reading as 'hidden clues/code is a faulty premise'. If so, I apologize. However, logic would state since I can't prove first bolding, though I believe it, and I can't disprove codespeak, though I doubt it, there is no basis for codespeak being a faulty premise.

Lanie

 

[KellioPSL]

I was in the middle of posting this same thing when my phone rang. My real phone, not a pretend one.

I think she paid her phone bill online with Grandma's money, just like she attempted to do with Amy's money.

did you see the text message from att telling her that it had posted, and it was right when the carp started hitting the fan too.

 

[Carrington]

So....this means Cindy stopped paying Casey's phone bill when she left?
Casey stole to keep her phone, needed that number to continue her masquerade.

 

[Chilly Willy]

did you see the text message from att telling her that it had posted, and it was right when the carp started hitting the fan too.

No, I missed that. So it's definite that Casey did not buy a new phone with granny's $, she paid her cell phone bill?

 

[marla]

Here is what is known regarding the second phone.

Perp claims she had and lost a Black Jack.

Perp stole $354 from her grandparents and spent it at an AT&T store.

Perp, when caught about the $354 theft, tells Grandma she had to buy a phone for work at Universal because everyone needed new phones (whatever) and Universal couldn't afford to buy them (whatever) and Universal was going to reimburse the money to them.

Uncle Rick in an email to Cindy states Grandma has documentation showing the theft of $354.

The speculation comes in on whether this money was used to actually buy a phone or was used to pay her existing phone bill. I have not read every post in every thread on this case, so could have missed it, but I have not seen the resolution to what this money was actually used for, a new phone or the phone bill, just know it is a fact the money went to AT&T.

Since Uncle Rick implies Grandma has documentation of stolen money going to AT&T, I feel it is a safe assumption perp wrote the check directly to AT&T, which means paper trail, which means LE knows if there is another phone only vs. another phone with new number.

Lanie

Great observation ..
I'm quite sure you're right!

 

[Jolynna]

And if YOU assume they are not talking in code and they are, you are making a faulty assumption. Which would make everything after that based on a faulty premise.

What is your proof they are not talking in code?
FWIW, I do agree with you on that, but in order to be something other than opinion, which is the point I am trying to make, you need something to back it up.
Lanie

What is there for them to talk in code about?

IF the Anthony family had had anything to do with Caylee's demise they could have avoided LE altogether by not calling 911.

I think NOW they know Caylee is gone and are trying to protect Casey from prison and the general population. But, then I think they were grasping for any hint that Caylee MIGHT be alive.

Casey wasn't talking to LE. The Anthony family HAD to stay in Casey's good graces so she would talk to them. I don't think JB wanted her to talk to family as much as she did. I think JB is probably croaking over what all did get videoed.

 

[Jolynna]

I'm not married either way to the second phone at all, but I do think if she had one, it was pre-paid. The lie about the phone can swing either way.

IF Casey was a "working" girl there would be a possible use for a second phone. BUT, why would she use the "working" girl phone to call the nanny?

That doesn't make sense.

IF there was a nanny which I don't believe.

 

[gardenhart]

Bolded by me.

I wonder if I am not explaining myself clearly.
The first bolding I agree with completely, this is what I have thought and posted about since these visitations were released. However, I can't prove this statement, so it is just an opinion I hold, also known as an assumption I am making.

Maybe I am misinterpreting second bolding, which I am reading as 'hidden clues/code is a faulty premise'. If so, I apologize. However, logic would state since I can't prove first bolding, though I believe it, and I can't disprove codespeak, though I doubt it, there is no basis for codespeak being a faulty premise.

Lanie

Wow, you're running yourself around in circles, Lanie. LOL It's very easy to prove that the As use words and phrases that aren't in their vocabularies. Just look at the words they misuse. I think you could probably find one or two or many more in any interview.

I have no idea how you jump from there to no basis for code speak being a faulty premise. The statement above isn't a premise, it's not a jumping point to find clues. The only conclusion is this is why they often don't make sense.

They don't make sense therefore they must be talking in code is an assumption. If it's wrong then everything following from it will be wrong.

 

[ElementaryDearWatson]

The truth here is that none of us know what the truth really is, and certainly neither do the Anthonys. I was under the impression this was a place that EVERYONE is able to have a suggestion, an idea, an OPINION about this case, no matter what it is. Some people here seem so adimate that they know the truth...I think those people need to take a step back and remember they do not, and not be so condesending to other peoples thoughts and opinions.

Well said...very socratic.

"I am the wisest man alive, for I know one thing, and that is that I know nothing."~~~ Socrates

 

[cocowiley]

IF Casey was a "working" girl there would be a possible use for a second phone. BUT, why would she use the "working" girl phone to call the nanny?

That doesn't make sense.

IF there was a nanny which I don't believe.

maybe 'nanny' is code for 'pimp', lol

 

[yolorado]

There doesn't seem to be any evidence of a second phone. Why would she make payments on a second phone rather than pay on the first one to keep it from being shut off? I don't recall hearing that her phone was ever shut off due to lack of payment. I think the 2nd phone was a lie she used to explain why she didn't have the number for Zanny - nothing more.

She said, when talking to Lee on the 25th, that there were four (important) numbers for which they needed to find the phone. Then, she mentioned that the other phone was the one that had Jeff's number. Now, we know that Jeff barely knew her and hadn't seen her for years, doesn't have a son and never recommended a sitter, wasn't dating her or giving her rings, didn't take her to dinner as his parents house, so I doubt his number was on that phone. If there was a second phone, and it didn't have Jeff's number on it, or Zanni's, I seriously doubt she'd have people looking for another phone if one really existed, because if they found it, it wouldn't have those two numbers, and probably not the other two either. Juliette's number was probably one she intended to imply was on the missing phone as well, although I didn't hear her say that. Seems to me as if it was just another lie to explain why she was unable to produce numbers for her long-term sitter and the two unreal people she told about the unreal kidnapping, and someone else. So yes, I think you're right.

 

[Lanie]

Wow, you're running yourself around in circles, Lanie. LOL It's very easy to prove that the As use words and phrases that aren't in their vocabularies. Just look at the words they misuse. I think you could probably find one or two or many more in any interview.

I have no idea how you jump from there to no basis for code speak being a faulty premise. The statement above isn't a premise, it's not a jumping point to find clues. The only conclusion is this is why they often don't make sense.

They don't make sense therefore they must be talking in code is an assumption. If it's wrong then everything following from it will be wrong.

No, I am not running around in circles, thank you very much.
Apparently, based on A's mispronunciaton of some words, and using the wrong words sometimes in their 'conversations' makes you KNOW what is going on, and whoever thinks differently making assumptions on false premises.
Awesome. Glad that is all straightened out.
Thanks
Lanie
Oh, by the way, did you happen to catch the interview between Cindy and the FBI, where she refers several times to her belief Casey is speaking in code, and x really means y, etc, etc, etc? Or the references to not trusting LE and knowing the visitations are taped, and Casey 'trying to give them clues'? It's not like this was pulled out of thin air.

Done.

 

[gardenhart]

No, I am not running around in circles, thank you very much.
Apparently, based on A's mispronunciaton of some words, and using the wrong words sometimes in their 'conversations' makes you KNOW what is going on, and whoever thinks differently making assumptions on false premises.
Awesome. Glad that is all straightened out.
Thanks
Lanie
Oh, by the way, did you happen to catch the interview between Cindy and the FBI, where she refers several times to her belief Casey is speaking in code, and x really means y, etc, etc, etc? Or the references to not trusting LE and knowing the visitations are taped, and Casey 'trying to give them clues'? It's not like this was pulled out of thin air.

Done.

Lanie, I'm sorry if I insulted you. That certainly wasn't my intent. I was just teasing. I thought we were both just playing around with the whole issue. :blowkiss:

I'm not saying I know what was going on and everyone else is wrong. Much as I'd like to be omniscient, I'm not. LOL I was trying to explain the difference between the two statements, they are considerably different in intent and apparently I'm incapable of explaining it in a way that clarifies that for you.

I haven't watched the Cindy FBI tapes. I should say I'm :chicken: to subject myself to them. I wouldn't put a lot of credence into anything Cindy claims on any subject. Please don't make me explain the difference between observed behavior and statements that may or may not be true. LOL

 

[PaulaF513]

These nitwits aren't speaking in any "code". They're trying to put forth that they understand what the psycho is trying to "convey". They don't seem to realize that people read their simple words and recognize nonsense when they see it.

I have heard absolutely nothing but words that are of no value from KC Anthony. She says a lot of words that never form a cohesive sentence. She's not only a psycho but an idiot. And, may I add, she has the ugliest voice and manner of speech I think I've ever heard in my life. Her voice makes me want to throttle her....the ugly, little horse-faced b!tch.

Her family, poor fools, are desperate to cling to the hope that she is not lying....and so they play along with the little troll. Once it sinks in that this whole mess is her doing, I think they will collectively wash their hands of her....especially if it's proven that the baby is dead. These aren't stupid people....they are a family enmeshed in the stages of grief. Eventually, slowly, they will regain their senses. KC apparently never had any to regain. I pray to God that they find some peace.

 

[cyberborg]

There doesn't seem to be any evidence of a second phone. Why would she make payments on a second phone rather than pay on the first one to keep it from being shut off? I don't recall hearing that her phone was ever shut off due to lack of payment. I think the 2nd phone was a lie she used to explain why she didn't have the number for Zanny - nothing more.

:clap::clap::clap::clap:

Wasn't the second phone on the grassy knoll across from the depository?

The second phone and the SIM card switch were cover stories and were not as clever as KC thought they were. Stupid is as......

 

[cyberborg]

I agree. People try to make this so much more complex than it really is. There are no hidden clues, no secret codes, no accomplices...it's a simple case of an immature selfish mother who killed her own child and is trying to get away with it.

:clap::clap::clap::clap:

:woohoo: