2008.10.22 Nancy Grace

[MD MOMMY]

Untraceable?

I think you are correct!

 

[SeriouslySearching]

yeah, SS, but if he keeps yammering about the squirrel (oops I mean dog conspiracy) then when he gets into the witness chair his words can come back to haunt him! I just keep thinking about all of Phil Spector's experts! They looked like idiots, and Henwy Wee hasn't been around lately, has he?

Hahahaha~ No, Henwy Wee hasn't been around since that trial! Too bad tho...cause I like him. He was fun to listen to. I see what you mean about Kob tho. Yup. His words should come back to haunt him...because they haunt me already every time he opens his mouth! :bang:

 

[Gaia713]

I think she is LIVID with her mother and her "cameos."

I think Casey is jealous of the attention that Cindy is ge tting

 

[panthera]

If a person dies it's going to take more than a couple of hours before "The Smell Of Death" gets to the point were it permeates your clothes & hair

In my opinion it would take at least 2 days before the odor reached that point

Like about the time from when she died to the time the shovel was borrowed from the neighbor? That's what I think at least.

 

[Insomnia Momma]

speaking of Kobi back tracking....

Anyone else remeber when C called in to the show after the chlo was first released to the media? Kobi said to CA that Chlor COULDN'T be made from chlorine and urine and was VERY UNLIKELY to have been mixed chemicals!

I need to find that interview and send it to Lawson Lamar!

 

[impatientredhead]

If a person dies it's going to take more than a couple of hours before "The Smell Of Death" gets to the point were it permeates your clothes & hair

In my opinion it would take at least 2 days before the odor reached that point

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/sc...es-835047.html

One of the questions surrounding human cadaver dogs is how soon after death they can recognise a corpse, and how long a "fresh" corpse must remain in one place for a dog to detect that it has been there. In a study published last year, the forensic pathologist Lars Oesterhelweg, then at the University of Bern in Switzerland, and colleagues tested the ability of three Hamburg State Police cadaver dogs to pick out – of a line-up of six new carpet squares – the one that had been exposed for no more than 10 minutes to a recently deceased person.

Several squares had been placed beneath a clothed corpse within three hours of death, when some organs and many cells of the human body are still functioning. Over the next month, the dogs did hundreds of trials in which they signalled the contaminated square with 98 per cent accuracy, falling to 94 per cent when the square had been in contact with the corpse for only two minutes.

The research concluded that cadaver dogs were an "outstanding tool" for crime-scene investigation.

 

[Boston]

Yes!! What about that search?! They weren't looking for an alive Caylee then, were they?

I've always thought that something had to instigate that search...

They had to have suspected something was wrong back then...

I think George either noticed the ground disturbed or the odor in the yard after KC removed Caylee

 

[sweetmop]

cindy being a nurse should have gotten him some mental care immediatly as soon as she heard this.

I hope and pray that George did get help. In fact, they both really need help I think.

 

[Gaia713]

She doesnt look grieving to me especially now she is still sitting pretty in jail with all those commissary items she can buy. :furious:

If it's true that Casey can shop at the commissary, she must be having a good time - shopping seems to be second nature to her.

 

[TURBOTHINK]

They have in the past broke facts in other cases which were found to pan out to be true.....

They had the John Edwards story a year before anyone else would report it and not only did it turn out to be true but a lot more to it than anyone could ever have imagined.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Chloroform is a by product of Chlorination. Its a fact they had a pool which was treated with chlorine. The fact that KC had a trace amount of Chloroform or Chlorine by-product in the trunk shouldnt be that big of a shock (no pun intended). The thought she had to use chloroform to knock little K out to visit TL is really not practical since CA would have taken little K anytime. Need to do a little more research on human urine interacting with chlorine which would be more likely if little K drowned in the pool and was placed in the trunk still in the wet diaper etc.

It wasn't just a trace amount according to the Body Farm. It was also pure Chloroform. The air was completely saturated in the trunk. There is no way that pool water on her hair and clothes are going to account for it.

 

[galvino]

You know, it is odd to me they made this huge thing out of keeping things locked up in the shed because of Caylee...but when LE was searching the backyard on the 17th (?), the pool ladder was sitting right in the pool and then on Greta's interview...the shed was open, the deckbox hadn't been moved, the ladder was in, and they were no longer worried about Caylee.

GA isn't the type to put things like that down and not put them away, imo. He is a bit like CA in that respect. I don't buy that he didn't take those cans and put them back into the shed at the time.

Maybe KC took them back out again (when she borrowed the shovel?) and set them out on the lawn. Shoot- I dunno. I think tha A's like to talk about how fastidious they are to explain how KC couldn't have done it, or something couldn't have happened the way we speculate it could. When GA got them back on the 24th, Caylee and KC hadn't been living at home for a while and he probably didn't feel the need to put them back immed-

 

[Boston]

I think she is LIVID with her mother and her "cameos."

LOL

You just reminded me of that 1st "jail House Call"

KC - "I saw your little Cameo today"

Cindy - "which one" ?

 

[panthera]

If it's true that Casey can shop at the commissary, she must be having a good time - shopping seems to be second nature to her.

Any idea how much these items cost though? I've heard they can be very expensive like a huge mark up from what would normally be retail. Is that true?

 

[TURBOTHINK]

If it's true that Casey can shop at the commissary, she must be having a good time - shopping seems to be second nature to her.

With someone else's money AGAIN.

 

[BeavisMom62]

I missed NG today. Can someone tell me when it is repeated? It is later tonite, isn't it?

 

[Chilly Willy]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/sc...es-835047.html

One of the questions surrounding human cadaver dogs is how soon after death they can recognise a corpse, and how long a "fresh" corpse must remain in one place for a dog to detect that it has been there. In a study published last year, the forensic pathologist Lars Oesterhelweg, then at the University of Bern in Switzerland, and colleagues tested the ability of three Hamburg State Police cadaver dogs to pick out – of a line-up of six new carpet squares – the one that had been exposed for no more than 10 minutes to a recently deceased person.

Several squares had been placed beneath a clothed corpse within three hours of death, when some organs and many cells of the human body are still functioning. Over the next month, the dogs did hundreds of trials in which they signalled the contaminated square with 98 per cent accuracy, falling to 94 per cent when the square had been in contact with the corpse for only two minutes.

The research concluded that cadaver dogs were an "outstanding tool" for crime-scene investigation.

That doesn't answer the question of how long a body needs to be deceased in order to leave a scent the dogs can detect.

 

[TURBOTHINK]

Any idea how much these items cost though? I've heard they can be very expensive like a huge mark up from what would normally be retail. Is that true?

They are a lot cheaper. My friend who is an officer is always threatening to buy her things there because they are cheaper than in a store. LOL

They are not allowed to do that...because some things are donated to the jails.

 

[GirlinCentralFL]

If it's true that Casey can shop at the commissary, she must be having a good time - shopping seems to be second nature to her.

Yep GA put $50 in, Bounty hunter put another $50, one donor put $100 and another donor put another $50 in. So she has $250 to go on her shopping spree with and it isnt her money.

 

[Janis396]

If it's true that Casey can shop at the commissary, she must be having a good time - shopping seems to be second nature to her.

Is the commissary like an actual little store?? That the inmates go into and browse around and pick out items to buy?