2008.12.11 Lt. Tammy Uncer Interview "Jail worker who saw KC's reaction"

[ibyoungr]

maybe to get to the truth....seems mean.....but what happend to Caylee was mean.....doesnt seem fair.....but Caylee's death wasnt fair....KC put her self in this situation.....for not telling the truth to begin with....Jail, Prison...they are not nice places to be.....you are not suppose to be comfy there....

again....I see what you are saying ....I guess I dont see anything wrong with the way it happend....

We are not saying that this was UNFAIR to Casey how she was told. She does deserve EVERY STINKING BAD THING to come at her.

What is wrong is:
This could make the video inadmissable in court.
It was not a professional way to handle business. This is all business. I's must be dotted and T's must be crossed.
I understand that this is a very emotional case and justice will be served. But just because we hate Casey does not mean that it was approriate for the PRISON EMPLOYEE to TAKE HER TO WATCH THE TV.

 

[miabellamoure]

Could you please give me a link to where they took her to the infirmary first to notify her of a serious event, then she watched the news then she had a reaction??

I am looking at the link that CHILLY posted above.. It states "A prison EMPLOYEE took her to watch the news." SPECIFICALLY.

I agree. Her reaction speaks volumes.. but it doesn't mean a thing if it can't be shown in court. I still think we would have seen a different reaction if the Warden and Jose told her the news.

From the link provided by "tracey276" it states:

'Local 6 News has confirmed that Uncer was the corrections employee who escorted Anthony from her cell and observed her reaction to the news, which she watched on TV in the common area. Anthony also asked for a sedative to calm her down, Local 6 News has learned.'

No where does that state that she was taken by a prison employee to specifically watch the news...I didn't see any other link from Chilly that says otherwise.

Also, a "common area" that the inmate was taken to sounds like an area to wait till she can be taken in to be seen...like a clinic waiting room. It would not be out of the ordinary for a TV to be on in that kind of environment.

 

[shgrbkr]

I agree, much better if the move was for a reason and they can back that up. I remember the atty for the jail, county, saying that they always take inmates to medical when a loved one has passed or other tragic circumstances. If they can prove that it was SOP and not specific to THIS situation I think it may be admissable.

IIRC, a rep from the jail already stood up in court and made a statement attesting to the fact that what was done was SOP, and there was nothing out of the ordinary done because it was KC. I'm a little confused, though, as to how KC got the news. I thought they took her to the infirmary in order to give her the news. So, was she given/told the news, or was she taken to medical to watch TV? Or, did they tell her and then she noticed it was on tv?

 

[Elley Mae]

No, I don't see that either, looks like she was being taken to the common area and the news broke, and probably at that time she was taken the infirmary. I'm just glad that Baez was not there to take control of what we heard was her reaction.

 

[ibyoungr]

I agree with all of your first paragraph...:clap:

Yes, jail is not nice and friendly..and what Casey has done is horrible. I really do not care how Casey feels or if this was cruel. I am more concerned that the jury will not see her reaction because this has the very air of being staged.


That is WHY it is important that the protocol be followed so that MISTAKES do not cause evidence not to be submitted.



The process of LAW does not care about EMOTIONS.

 

[miabellamoure]

We are not saying that this was UNFAIR to Casey how she was told. She does deserve EVERY STINKING BAD THING to come at her.

What is wrong is:
This could make the video inadmissable in court.
It was not a professional way to handle business. This is all business. I's must be dotted and T's must be crossed.
I understand that this is a very emotional case and justice will be served. But just because we hate Casey does not mean that it was approriate for the PRISON EMPLOYEE to TAKE HER TO WATCH THE TV.

I understand the theory here...but, I'm just not buying it.

Maybe I don't understand why anyone would expect a prison guard to escort an inmate to an area she's been instructed to do and then notice that breaking news is playing on the TV in the common area and reach up and turn the channel...

It's not about wanting KC to be treated cruelly...imo.

 

[dunlurken]

Both of these videos will be shown in court. When you are in jail, you have no rights, and you are being taped constantly. Baez can bark up his butt, but it's not relevant. JMO.

 

[Lanie]

I don't understand why there is such an uproar over this.

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18941559/detail.html#-

The first paragraph states:
"Local 6 News has learned the identity of the jail employee who escorted Casey Anthony from her cell to a medical common area and witnessed her hyperventilating the day human remains later identified as Caylee Anthony were discovered near the Anthony family home."
Bolded and enlarged by me.

It then goes on to state:
"Local 6 News has confirmed that Uncer was the corrections employee who escorted Anthony from her cell and observed her reaction to the news, which she watched on TV in the common area. Anthony also asked for a sedative to calm her down, Local 6 News has learned."
Bolded and enlarged by me.

It appears to me by what is printed in this article Casey was escorted to the medical common area by a jail employee, where apparently there is a television, and the jail employee witnessed Casey's reaction to the 'breaking news'. It doesn't read anywhere to me Casey was escorted to a common area for the specific purpose of watching tv. She is in jail, she probably has to be escorted to the medical area to get an aspirin. She very well could have been escorted to the medical area by her own request, which, IMO, would also explain Baez whining about her medical privacy being violated, and was watching tv while waiting to be examined. Breaking news story came on, (and while I don't live in Florida, I would bet the stations were breaking into programming about these remains being found.) and she saw it, and the jail employee who escorted her saw her see it. The time this happened would be important to determine if this was done purposely or it just happened.
Lanie

 

[Sissy1355]

IF this happened the way Biaz seems to think, WHY didn't he bring it up in the hearing last week?? Sounds like someone crying foul b/c they didn't get thier way the first time. JMHO

 

[ecs5298]

I wish some of our legal eagles would weigh in here. While the jail may be a separate arm of the sheriff's office, it it not unheard of for them to cooperate with the SA's office. They often, when they can, place inmates with other inmates to try and get jail house confessions, which are fully admissible in court.

JB may make a fuss but I don't think it's going to get thrown out. She may have seen it on TV in the infirmary for the first time but it's not like she wouldn't have found out about it. I imagine the news was spreading throughout the jail like wild fire.

 

[Chilly Willy]

Both of these videos will be shown in court. When you are in jail, you have no rights, and you are being taped constantly. Baez can bark up his butt, but it's not relevant. JMO.

Everyone always has the right not to incriminate themselves. LE can not 'set up' a suspect without a court order. No one is saying the jail wasn't within their rights to film Casey, the question is whether or not that film is admissible in court.

 

[dunlurken]

More smoke and mirrors on Baez's part. JMO. He doesn't have a clue what he's doing.

 

[Chilly Willy]

IF this happened the way Biaz seems to think, WHY didn't he bring it up in the hearing last week?? Sounds like someone crying foul b/c they didn't get thier way the first time. JMHO

It was brought up in court. Baez is fighting the release of the tape.

 

[miabellamoure]

Everyone always has the right not to incriminate themselves. LE can not 'set up' a suspect without a court order. No one is saying the jail wasn't within their rights to film Casey, the question is whether or not that film is admissible in court.

Except that you are presuming that a prison guard deliberately brought KC to watch breaking news in a common area and that this prison guard was instructed to do so...where is the proof?

 

[miabellamoure]

Both of these videos will be shown in court. When you are in jail, you have no rights, and you are being taped constantly. Baez can bark up his butt, but it's not relevant. JMO.

I believe you meant bark up a tree...

 

[dunlurken]

It was brought up in court. Baez is fighting the release of the tape.

He needs to choose his battles more wisely. JMO. Casey is on State property in jail. She is on tape at all times. she is charged with 1st degree murder. She has no "rights" any more. Unfortunate, but true.

 

[ecs5298]

Everyone always has the right not to incriminate themselves. LE can not 'set up' a suspect without a court order. No one is saying the jail wasn't within their rights to film Casey, the question is whether or not that film is admissible in court.

Setting the client up does not consist of letting her see a TV report of unidentified remains being found.

Had they staged the entire news story to get a reaction out of her then I could see problems developing. If KC didn't want to incriminate herself, then maybe she should have controlled her emotions a little better. Shouldn't have been too hard for her to do, she's managed to show absolutely no emotion for Caylee throughout the entire time. Oh...that's right....she wasn't showing emotion about Caylee, she was showing emotion that the jig was up and she was going to spend the rest of her life in prison. Because, after all, the only thing KC cares about is what happens to KC.

 

[miabellamoure]

Everyone always has the right not to incriminate themselves. LE can not 'set up' a suspect without a court order. No one is saying the jail wasn't within their rights to film Casey, the question is whether or not that film is admissible in court.

I don't think JB has a chance in hell that he can keep this video out...jmho.

Kinda basing it on the obvious facts as we know them now and his :loser: ways in court so far.

 

[Chilly Willy]

Except that you are presuming that a prison guard deliberately brought KC to watch breaking news in a common area and that this prison guard was instructed to do so...where is the proof?

I am not presuming anything, I'm discussing JB's allegations. It was said by the state during the motion hearing that Casey was taken to the infirmary, SOP when anyone is ABOUT to learn bad news. Is there proof that this was a plan to catch her reaction on film? Not that I'm aware of, but on the other hand there is no proof that it wasn't either.

 

[Chilly Willy]

He needs to choose his battles more wisely. JMO. Casey is on State property in jail. She is on tape at all times. she is charged with 1st degree murder. She has no "rights" any more. Unfortunate, but true.

Not true at all. Casey has many rights.