2008.12.18 - PI James H. Interview

[Searchfortruth]

I think the LE collect as much info they can about everyone involved, as they dont know what will become important later in the investigation.. I Imagine if this was not in fl where every little bit of the reports are open to the public we may not have heard of this event.. I also think that because the LE have heard from other sources about a fight with KC and CA where it was said that CA lost it and choked KC, they need to find out about other things like that that have happened.
I find it interesting who she was cusing about.. no mention of KC or ZG or the imaginary person that she thinks killed Caylee..
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Exactly you would think that she would have been cursing ZG since she supposedly Kidnapped Caylee...amazing that she didn't mention her in the cross beating fury.

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

I think the cross beating and cursing incident is pertinent in that it shows Cindy's attitude regarding LE. If they didn't have reason to doubt her cooperation in this investigation before hearing about her cursing them, they now know what to expect (or not expect) from her now. I think her attitude and willingness to cooperate are important.

 

[Searchfortruth]

My hunkey-doreyness has no relevance on the issue, not does any finger pointing that the A's may or may not be doing. What I'm questioning is how/why information about Cindy taking out her frustrations on an inanimate object 6 months after Caylee disappeared has any bearing on the case against Casey. It seems to me that LE is asking questions that are way beyond the scope of this investigation and I see no reason for them to do so, unless it's to further embarrass the A's.

Some of the Anthony's may very well get some charges, I have no doubt LE has been and is still looking at their behavior and will have to decide eventually if they want to charge them...so, yes their behavior is important. They are also potential witnesses for Casey's trial, I think the state is still looking at their behavior in an effort to judge what type of witness they will be, come trial time...hostile? Maybe so. Casey is the one being tried for murder, but her parents and her brother have issues to consider as well. I know I will not be on the jury, this is a "discussion" board, I see no problem discussing the issues of this case. Cindy and the cross was brought up in the LE interview, so we talk about it here in it's designated thread.

 

[Cookie278]

I am sure they would be reluctant witness' at best. I would be very surprised if charges were brought against the Anthony's however. Skirting the truth, hiding your head and denial arent criminal. I have yet to hear anything that says they did anything to cause the death of Caylee, or actively interfered with LE. Does anyone HONESTLY believe any of the Anthonys were in on it with KC???? Or somehow condone what she did? Everything I have heard or read showed they loved Caylee. Its often been said, they loved her more than KC, hence KC's jealousy.

 

[MD MOMMY]

Sheesh, it was two pieces of wood that someone put together in the shape of a t. I guess I'll be joining Cindy in hell because I'm guilty of tossing out dozens of crosses my kids made in church when they were little....tongue depressor crosses, pipe cleaner crosses, construction paper crosses.... I even crumpled some of them up first.

What I don't understand is why LE pursued this line of questioning with Hoover. What do Cindy's reactions months after Caylee disappeared have to do with Casey's guilt? Why is this information being released? Isn't it Casey who is on trail for murder? I'm really beginning to believe that LE is very deliberately doing everything they can to embarrass and humiliate the A's.

It's a bit different here though. You didn't choose to take your frustration out on a cross. You chose to throw them away as it's impossible to keep every cross keepsake that your kids made for you. I'm not personally a super religious person, I believe in God, go to church sometimes but I could NEVER destroy a cross...never ever.

I did sit and think about why LE was going down that road with JH though. It struck me as odd.

ETA..all this thank you and no thank you stuff is very 3rd grade, not liking it.

 

[Cookie278]

When I was diagnosed with cancer and I saw the effect on my family and myself, I found myself angry with God. I would have happily taken a bat to a cross. My mother told me at the time "go ahead, be angry at God, he can handle it". So I don't condemn CA for beating a cross. I don't blame her for cussing at LE. We often misplace anger to avoid facing the truth. I suspect in the dark of night, when all is quiet, CA knows who is to blame and her heart breaks. And I imagine there is a lifetime of guilt (real or imagined) that CA and GA will have to deal with.

 

[sunflowerchick]

When I was diagnosed with cancer and I saw the effect on my family and myself, I found myself angry with God. I would have happily taken a bat to a cross. My mother told me at the time "go ahead, be angry at God, he can handle it". So I don't condemn CA for beating a cross. I don't blame her for cussing at LE. We often misplace anger to avoid facing the truth. I suspect in the dark of night, when all is quiet, CA knows who is to blame and her heart breaks. And I imagine there is a lifetime of guilt (real or imagined) that CA and GA will have to deal with.

Well said Cookie... :clap:

 

[believe09]

I agree with you on both points, many people have already convicted Casey and are not concerned with her receiving a fair trial - which I find quite upsetting, and that, if LE believes the A's were involved in any type of cover-up, it needs to be investigated.

But tell me, if Cindy beat up a cross, what does that say about a cover-up or about Casey's guilt? If Cindy ordered chicken for dinner does that make her guilty of something? If everyone at the table shared the crab puffs, are they all involved in the cover-up? It looks to me like LE is not investigating the case, they're gossiping and playing to the masses. This case is no longer about Casey's guilt or innocence, it's about crimetainment, and LE is just as guilty as NG or any of the other talking heads in making it that way. IMO

I don't know if I believe this, or if I think that this is what investigations "look like" in our world of mass media and practically being on the inside of the case-thanks to the Sunshine Law here. OK granted we are a few months behind.

LE can lie, cheat and mislead suspects in an effort to obtain information. If there is a belief or a knowlege that principals in this story have or are withholding evidence, then I think using the media as a tool to apply pressure is simply a trick of the trade. Whether or not it is a principled approach is a completely separate issue.

In this particular case, if LE is not compelled to withhold thousands of embarrassing photos of the defendant, for example, what is the standard they should use for withholding information that Cindy smashed a cross? Relevance is reserved for the trial-that is my understanding. LE's interest in Cindy's meltdown might be purely data driven-is she coming apart and would she be a less hostile witness if we tried to re-interview her now?

Regarding the interviewee who is the topic of this thread, I have quite a box of salt at the ready, FWIW. I don't know how credible this dude has proven to be.

I agree however that the fact that the object was a cross will titillate those who cannot even entertain that kind of sacrilege....

 

[shgrbkr]

Also, in JH's interview he talked about MB being bossy, sort of taking over, it's hard to imagine anyone being more bossy than CA, but I guess it's possible ?

CA probably demanded that MB be put 6 floors below the rest of them. Too much competition.

 

[debs]

CA probably demanded that MB be put 6 floors below the rest of them. Too much competition.

Isn't MB from California? How has she been affording to hang out in FL in the first place? Where has she been staying? Is there an actual salary involved in.........whatever it is she does?

 

[Cookie278]

Yes, I am sure CA was worried about the competition with a dead grand daughter and her daughter going away for life most likely.

 

[magic-cat]

Sheesh, it was two pieces of wood that someone put together in the shape of a t. I guess I'll be joining Cindy in hell because I'm guilty of tossing out dozens of crosses my kids made in church when they were little....tongue depressor crosses, pipe cleaner crosses, construction paper crosses.... I even crumpled some of them up first.

I personally am of the mind that a make-shift cross is not a SACRED artifact and can see no place in the Bible that even tells me to memorialize the cross but moreso the man who hung upon it, so I do not see that it is against God that she smashed the make-shift cross to bits...

What I don't understand is why LE pursued this line of questioning with Hoover. What do Cindy's reactions months after Caylee disappeared have to do with Casey's guilt? Why is this information being released? Isn't it Casey who is on trail for murder? I'm really beginning to believe that LE is very deliberately doing everything they can to embarrass and humiliate the A's.

Perhaps they have some tactics that we, the common civilian, do not comprehend? Perhaps they have some charges brewing and are stirring the pot to see what they can cook up? Perhaps Cindy does not need the police to embarass and humiliate her own self-sad but true.

I am sure they would be reluctant witness' at best. I would be very surprised if charges were brought against the Anthony's however. Skirting the truth, hiding your head and denial arent criminal. I have yet to hear anything that says they did anything to cause the death of Caylee, or actively interfered with LE. Does anyone HONESTLY believe any of the Anthonys were in on it with KC???? Or somehow condone what she did? Everything I have heard or read showed they loved Caylee. Its often been said, they loved her more than KC, hence KC's jealousy.

You must have missed these things somehow:
♣ NOTHING of Caylee's is missing from the house-nothing!
(later we discover this is in fact a lie...there was a Pooh Blanket missing and she knew it! and admitted it AFTER the body was found!)
♣ When LE asked for CAYLEE'S brush, Cindy, and she admitted this LATER, gave them a "common" brush from Casey's room, and NOT the hairbrush that was used EXCLUSIVELY on Caylee...
♣ During the course of the toothbrush incident being discovered, it was also revealed that Cindy had discussed turning over the DOGS toothbrushes instead of Caylee's!
♣ Cindy washed the pants from the car-tampering with evidence.
♣ Cindy washed the knife from the car-tampering with evidence.
♣ Cindy cleaned out the car and it's contents BEFORE calling the police!
♣ Cindy, who is a NURSE, and who has admitted to having smelled decomp before, lied and said the smell in the car was rotting pizza when in fact there was not one drop of pizza recovered from that car! She knew good and well it was not pizza and she lied to cover up for her murdering daughter!

Yes, I am sure CA was worried about the competition with a dead grand daughter and her daughter going away for life most likely.

Cindy strikes me as a particularly cold human being. She also strikes me as EXTREMELY superficial, and I think the money they have made off of all of this is cushioning the blow for Cindy just fine! She is a controlling and cruel hard-hearted woman and it is no wonder that Casey is a complete and total wreck!

 

[Cookie278]

Cindy strikes me as a particularly cold human being. She also strikes me as EXTREMELY superficial, and I think the money they have made off of all of this is cushioning the blow for Cindy just fine! She is a controlling and cruel hard-hearted woman and it is no wonder that Casey is a complete and total wreck![/QUOTE]


Wow...just wow BTW, just how much money have they made?

I hope to God I never find myself in a situation to be judged here. I know I am not perfect and i doubt any of us would look too good under the microscope.

I do have to wonder, why so much hate towards CA and what sounds like sympathy (Casey is a complete and total wreck) towards KC? The A's may be the worlds worst parents but Casey is the only one responsible for her actions. They make excuses for their daughter, they are her parents. Why are you making excuses for her?

 

[Cookie278]

I am going to drop out of this thread. What started as a discussion and difference of opinion has hit a level of venom that I find disturbing. I do not condone all the Anthonys actions but to say they are fine with money in exchange for a grand daughter is so far past the point of rationality I think it is best to let is drop.

 

[magic-cat]

Cindy cannot have her granddaughter back-she is dead. There is nothing that can change that fact. She admitted long ago at one point that she did not even care what happened to Casey-she just wanted Caylee back. It has been reported that she called Caylee a mistake-as a matter-of-fact she called her, repeatedly I might add, Casey's BEST mistake but a mistake nonetheless. She has been reported by friends of Casey's who were frequently in the home to have continually had Caylee call her Mom right in front of Casey. I do not doubt for a second that Casey's "spiteful " phrase was likely repeated to her BY Cindy on more than one ocassion. Cindy had a hand in the monster that Casey became by enabling her continually and buying her off-just so she could keep access to Caylee is the likely motivator for the last several years anyway. And she would have us believe that everything in their family was just "peachy keen" and Casey should win the "Mother of the Year" award after this is all said and done...PLEASE!

I have no sympathy for Casey, and I have a little more than THAT for Cindy-so, not much at all to be honest. For someone who loved Caylee so much-I wonder why she never begged for her safe return? Not one single time did she make this plea-Please bring my Caylee back to me! nasty kidnappers...

James H. interview shed even more light into the distorted picture that IS this family and gave me renewed confidence that the Anthony family has a PLAN of CASHING IN on this entire thing-if they have not already done so. I mean, they have contracts with Mr. Casey and according to Hoover they owe Mr. Casey close to a hundred thousand dollars-which he EXPECTS to receive from them one day...so where is THAT money going to come from? Monthly payments from their jobs? Doubtful...They were STILL planning on cashing in even on the very day that Caylee's body was recovered, and that to me says all that needs to be said about whom is concerned about what in this mess...They spent the evening and the weekend with ABC for goodness sakes! :banghead: Money is going to afford them some comfort since they cannot have Caylee back again, and that is so not right on so many levels-especially considering all the other folks who lose children every day and profit nothing.

 

[Hot Dogs]

♣ Cindy cleaned out the car and it's contents BEFORE calling the police!

Where did OSCO find the black shoes and boots that were inside the sealed paper bag?

 

[magic-cat]

I am not sure, but I think that LE put the shoes in the bag and that we have gotten confused and thought that they were already IN a bag. If I recall correctly Cindy gave them those items as they had been removed from the car-I would not swear to it though...:innocent:

 

[Hot Dogs]

I am not sure, but I think that LE put the shoes in the bag and that we have gotten confused and thought that they were already IN a bag. If I recall correctly Cindy gave them those items as they had been removed from the car-I would not swear to it though...:innocent:

I'll have to dig through the docs for the part about the sealed paper bag. But I already have these things attached below. If she ever removed that footwear from the car, then she put them back in the car.
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[ExpectingUnicorns]

I'll have to dig through the docs for the part about the sealed paper bag. But I already have these things attached below. If she ever removed that footwear from the car, then she put them back in the car.
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Interesting to note that Cindy, although she hadn't seen Casey in over a month, felt she knew what shoes she had been wearing. Maybe they were the only ones missing. Still, with Cindy's truthfulness in question, I wonder at the veracity of her all-knowing answer. Don't you?

 

[OneLostGrl]

Cindy cannot have her granddaughter back-she is dead. There is nothing that can change that fact. She admitted long ago at one point that she did not even care what happened to Casey-she just wanted Caylee back. It has been reported that she called Caylee a mistake-as a matter-of-fact she called her, repeatedly I might add, Casey's BEST mistake but a mistake nonetheless. She has been reported by friends of Casey's who were frequently in the home to have continually had Caylee call her Mom right in front of Casey. I do not doubt for a second that Casey's "spiteful " phrase was likely repeated to her BY Cindy on more than one ocassion. Cindy had a hand in the monster that Casey became by enabling her continually and buying her off-just so she could keep access to Caylee is the likely motivator for the last several years anyway. And she would have us believe that everything in their family was just "peachy keen" and Casey should win the "Mother of the Year" award after this is all said and done...PLEASE!

I have no sympathy for Casey, and I have a little more than THAT for Cindy-so, not much at all to be honest. For someone who loved Caylee so much-I wonder why she never begged for her safe return? Not one single time did she make this plea-Please bring my Caylee back to me! nasty kidnappers...

James H. interview shed even more light into the distorted picture that IS this family and gave me renewed confidence that the Anthony family has a PLAN of CASHING IN on this entire thing-if they have not already done so. I mean, they have contracts with Mr. Casey and according to Hoover they owe Mr. Casey close to a hundred thousand dollars-which he EXPECTS to receive from them one day...so where is THAT money going to come from? Monthly payments from their jobs? Doubtful...They were STILL planning on cashing in even on the very day that Caylee's body was recovered, and that to me says all that needs to be said about whom is concerned about what in this mess...They spent the evening and the weekend with ABC for goodness sakes! :banghead: Money is going to afford them some comfort since they cannot have Caylee back again, and that is so not right on so many levels-especially considering all the other folks who lose children every day and profit nothing.

you, woman, are on a roll!!