2009.01.08 Greta

Ok. Baez's argument is sound here. If TM did get cooperation and information from LE and IF OSCO paid for any of the search, he was acting as their agent. As such, OSCO would be responsible to obtain their agent's records and reports and turn them over to Baez.

Baez asked that he be allowed to file an SDT to get TES's records. TES is in TX and the court has no jurisdiction over TES in Texas. Baez should have talked to TM first, to see if he would voluntarily turn over copies of whatever to Baez. He is not asking for copies of every sign-up document, or even any information about the searchers. He wants the information that TES used to determine search sites, days of searches, the identity of every area searched and any reports TM may have made of the day's search and findings. It is not a huge burden and if he wants, he can take it all to Kinko's at Mr. Baez's expense and Mr. Baez's paralegal will stand and watch as copies are made, so that none get "released". This happens all day every day in the practice of law.

It was insulting to even suggest that a member of the Bar might himself sell photos of Caylee's skeleton. He has every right to be insulted, personally. Sometimes the State forgets they must also adhere to the Rules of Professional Responsibility, Counduct and The Canons of Ethics. Some States now have Rules of Professional Behavior.

YOU just do not accuse Bar members of anything without some PROOF! And you surely do not imply it in pleadings. I am sorry that both sides have been guilty of this behavior.

As far as the Judge being on JB's "side", LP - DUH! - yes, he was, because JB was RIGHT! The State is playing discovery games. They are just doing what we call "papering him to death", meaning make him work for every little teeny morsel of evidence they have gathered in the investigation of his client, despite KCA's unquestionable Consitutional right to have access to everything the State has, will get, can get in the future. How utterly ridiculous to have to fight for that to which you are entitlted.

It serves no purpose. KC has the right to prepare for an adequate defense. "Adequate" means timely access to all evidence collected in this investigation, no matter who has it or may get it soon. Timely means with enough time to examine the evidence and be fully prepared for trial.

The State can't ambush the defendant at Trial with "new evidence" or "previously undisclosed evidence". The problem comes when they withold it because Baez didn't use the magic words, which is sort of the game the SA is playing now and the Judge is letting her get away with a bit of it. He is giving her extensions - again. If the State's position is that they didn't turn it over because of the form of Baez's request or their interpretation of it's meaning, then !voila'! - appellate issue. Stupid to play like this.

Ask for an extension and reduce the agreement between the parties to writing and then follow through. Act like Ladies and Gentlemen of the Bar.

Bolded area in red by me. Please re-verify your information, Dots Eyes; it is incorrect. Among other things, in the Application for Subpoena Duces Tecum, Mr. Baez is specifically asking to be given "Any and all records of volunteers who assisted Texas Equusearch during their search for Caylee Marie Anthony."
 
and IIRC the person who originally called TM to Orlando was CA cause she thought he would only look for alive Caylee and then she got mad when he was looked to deceased Caylee, so just because LE gave him $5,000.00 to stay and keep looking does not mean is is an agent of LE, you can bet your bottom dollar that when JB wants to complain that LE let TM see where the remains were located he will just call him an avarage citizen..And it was clearly stated that TM could turn over whatever he wanted to to JB and that JB would have to be happy with whatever he got...So if it was TM I would turn over just the bare minumum to the defense something tells me that TM will want to be no help to that side of the case...

I sincerely hope he doesn't have to give them anything. They, the "defense side", which I include the A's in since they have spent so much time defending KC on tv, wouldn't even give TM a stuffed animal or anything to get Caylee's scent off of. I never understood that refusal. This would have helped track her dead or alive, so refusing to give this to help them was just spiteful. (Like mother, like daughter) There was no good reason to not help in the search with this simple request that makes any since, unless they simply didn't want her found. JMHO! Anyway, I hope he has something good and useful for the case, and isn't forced to share it with JB.
 
I know, I remember that is what KC said in the beginning. Then it gets a little confusing to me because Zanny's attorney says that Zanaida's name, make of her car, and two of her six children's name were given to police alledgedly by KC.

(starts at4:55)

http://www.wftv.com/video/17549823/index.html

Then you also have the offical documents from KC's countersuit that specifically state"

“The information was different in a number of materials ways; specifically, that Zenaida Gonzales that Ms. Anthony was referring to drove a different car; she had a different name and she had less children than the Plaintiff has. The Plaintiff has six (6) children, the Zenaida Gonzalez identified by the Defendant has two (2) kids.”

http://www.wftv.com/news/17983147/detail.html

So it appears, at least officially, that KC is now claiming that Zanny did indeed have two children.

Curious! Isn't there an interview where she states that her ZFG had no children that she knew of? :waitasec: I don't know why anyone would believe a word she says at this point with everything that she has already said being proven to be a lie. I always thought it was strange that you could say you have had a nanny for 2 years but you don't know anything about them! No phone number, no idea if they have kids, etc. IMO, at trial, the jury will have to completely discount any and every thing that KC has said, as it has all been proven to be "mistruth", and go strictly with the evidence provided. Get used to those prison blues, KC!
 
Curious! Isn't there an interview where she states that her ZFG had no children that she knew of? :waitasec: I don't know why anyone would believe a word she says at this point with everything that she has already said being proven to be a lie. I always thought it was strange that you could say you have had a nanny for 2 years but you don't know anything about them! No phone number, no idea if they have kids, etc. IMO, at trial, the jury will have to completely discount any and every thing that KC has said, as it has all been proven to be "mistruth", and go strictly with the evidence provided. Get used to those prison blues, KC!

I know, I remember her saying that also. I thought I even remembered the detective asking if Zanny could have children of her own. :confused: I went to the doc dump to try to find it, but I gave up. So how in the world she expected to win a countersuit where one of her main points for the claim can be discredited by her own earlier statements is beyond me. Yes, she'd better get used to those prison blues. I have never understand why she continues to lie when she obviously does it so badly. Good grief, I put more thought into my lies for breaking curfew in my younger days than she put into hers to explain the disappearance of her daughter!
 
and IIRC the person who originally called TM to Orlando was CA cause she thought he would only look for alive Caylee and then she got mad when he was looked to deceased Caylee, so just because LE gave him $5,000.00 to stay and keep looking does not mean is is an agent of LE, you can bet your bottom dollar that when JB wants to complain that LE let TM see where the remains were located he will just call him an avarage citizen..And it was clearly stated that TM could turn over whatever he wanted to to JB and that JB would have to be happy with whatever he got...So if it was TM I would turn over just the bare minumum to the defense something tells me that TM will want to be no help to that side of the case...

And if IIRC from local news that $5000 was a donation just as other businesses were donating to the cause. I guess it would depend on how the OCSO coded the expense on their end as to whether it was a payment or a donation??
 
No, the two roomates names were different. They were not the names of the children.
I believe the children's names that ZFG put on the application card were J and M. The names that KC gave for the "room-mates" were Jennifer and Raquel. Not sure about spelling on all of these??? :)

ETA - I included the full names for the "room-mates" because these names have appeared in all documents and from what we know, these people do not exist.
 
I know, I remember that is what KC said in the beginning. Then it gets a little confusing to me because Zanny's attorney says that Zanaida's name, make of her car, and two of her six children's name were given to police alledgedly by KC.

(starts at4:55)

http://www.wftv.com/video/17549823/index.html

Then you also have the offical documents from KC's countersuit that specifically state"

“The information was different in a number of materials ways; specifically, that Zenaida Gonzales that Ms. Anthony was referring to drove a different car; she had a different name and she had less children than the Plaintiff has. The Plaintiff has six (6) children, the Zenaida Gonzalez identified by the Defendant has two (2) kids.”

http://www.wftv.com/news/17983147/detail.html

So it appears, at least officially, that KC is now claiming that Zanny did indeed have two children.

I've always been confused by this claim made by ZFG's lawyer. I have listened to and read the interviews that KC did that were released and haven't heard/read her mention the names of ZFG's children but, I suppose she could have in interviews that have not yet been released???
 
I know, I remember her saying that also. I thought I even remembered the detective asking if Zanny could have children of her own. :confused: I went to the doc dump to try to find it, but I gave up. So how in the world she expected to win a countersuit where one of her main points for the claim can be discredited by her own earlier statements is beyond me. Yes, she'd better get used to those prison blues. I have never understand why she continues to lie when she obviously does it so badly. Good grief, I put more thought into my lies for breaking curfew in my younger days than she put into hers to explain the disappearance of her daughter!

I have often wondered how she can just continue with the lies with a straight face after everything that has come out, and have only been able to come up with one conclusion. I have to wonder if maybe she does not watch very much tv in jail, and therefore is unaware that she is as busted as she is. I mean, let's say she never tunes into NG or any of the mainstream local channels that are covering it, or at least not very often, and has missed most of the info that has been put out there. Could she really be sitting there thinking that she just has to stick to her story and everything will be okay? Has JB not questioned her about all of the doc dump info and things that have come out in the interviews that proves she is the "Liar Of The Year" as opposed to the "Mother Of The Year"? We know her family has stopped visiting her for a while now, so the only info she would be getting would be from JB, the other defense attorneys, or people within the jail, and of course, the tv. If you take the tv out of the equation, as someone at the jail recently stated that she does not watch very much, and then add to that the fact that JB may not want to really question her and upset "his girl", she actually could be sitting there unaware of just how much everyone knows. The "bad pics", the lies, the stealing, the tattoo, the comments she has made. I hope she is unaware and tries to go into court with her blinders on. Then we'll see how well she holds up when the truth actually starts to come out.
 
I have often wondered how she can just continue with the lies with a straight face after everything that has come out, and have only been able to come up with one conclusion. I have to wonder if maybe she does not watch very much tv in jail, and therefore is unaware that she is as busted as she is. I mean, let's say she never tunes into NG or any of the mainstream local channels that are covering it, or at least not very often, and has missed most of the info that has been put out there. Could she really be sitting there thinking that she just has to stick to her story and everything will be okay? Has JB not questioned her about all of the doc dump info and things that have come out in the interviews that proves she is the "Liar Of The Year" as opposed to the "Mother Of The Year"? We know her family has stopped visiting her for a while now, so the only info she would be getting would be from JB, the other defense attorneys, or people within the jail, and of course, the tv. If you take the tv out of the equation, as someone at the jail recently stated that she does not watch very much, and then add to that the fact that JB may not want to really question her and upset "his girl", she actually could be sitting there unaware of just how much everyone knows. The "bad pics", the lies, the stealing, the tattoo, the comments she has made. I hope she is unaware and tries to go into court with her blinders on. Then we'll see how well she holds up when the truth actually starts to come out.

IMO KC has never in her life had discipline of any kind. I think she doesn't have any idea what is coming. I don't think she does get to see the TV very much, if at all.
 

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