2009.02.09 - The cousin that visited....

  • #501
Incident happened March 2005. That puts misty at 13 yrs. 3 months. It places JM at 16 ys. 6 months. If I were Lisa, I be pretty upset myself and would want him punished. I am surprised, though, that she let misty testify. I hope misty told the whole truth.

There were three years difference, I always thought there were two. Thanks for bringing that to my attention. JM was sentenced in 2006.

This incident may be the reason why the family is so tolerant of misty. They feel so guilty.
 
  • #502
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/20/ng.01.html

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: According to reports, the FBI`s investigating girlfriend Misty Croslin`s cousin, only identified as Joe. Some media outlets are reporting that the cousin got in an argument with Haleigh`s father, Ronald Cummings, over a missing gun.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Deputies say they`ve interviewed a cousin of Misty`s who was visiting from Tennessee before Haleigh`s disappearance. Cummings denies the two got into a dispute.

RONALD CUMMINGS, HALEIGH`S FATHER: There was no fight with no cousin over a gun. I don`t know where people are getting information from, but you know, people say a lot of things and they don`t know what they`re talking about. I don`t have any enemies.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: While Cummings denied any argument took place, his girlfriend, Misty Croslin, says that she doesn`t trust her cousin and isn`t sure if he`s involved in Haleigh`s abduction.
 
  • #503
With a case like this, it is hard to imagine that LE will be able to get past all of the 2nd and 3rd-hand "he said, she said" stuff...talk about a heresay nightmare of a case, especially when it comes to who knew what when, etc...too many names and accusations that (probably) have nothing to do with Haleigh flying around over the past year. The POI's have managed to make a "right mess" of things for LE, whether purposely or not...
 
  • #504
I would be interesting to follow mc's escapades from March 2006 to Sept 2008. It was barely two and half years later after her "horrific" ordeal (according to misty) that misty was involved with rc meeting him when she was 16. Prior to that, she was staying with one of the brothers.... apparently in 2007, misty ran away to NJ...we have not been told for how long.

So mc was 14 and JM was 16. He was not a stranger to her but a boyfriend (so we've been told). It would be interesting to interview him. He is twenty yrs old and has spent 4 years so far, in a State Prison....OMG! A sixteen yr old in a state prison is almost unheard of..

ON a nother note: I wonder when mc was told of Hank's accident; surprise there are no reports on it. Shouldn't it be at the courthouse? Didn't Chelsea try to get in touch with her that weekend? Wasn't Chelsea also in trouble because she was involved in battering Amber's mom along with misty? I don't trust what Chelsea has to say. For all we know, she could have been the one driving the van that night. She and mc looked pretty chummy to me on the video we've seen regarding Haleigh's disappearance.


BBM...and she also seems very quick to point the finger at cuz'n Joe. What would she have to gain by pointing the finger at him?? Deflection from Timmy and possibly even herself. MOO
 
  • #505
I indulged in all the earlier findings of JM and his case. There were once hundreds of posts/links about his case. It is my understanding that it was Lisa Croslin who pressed charges against JM. There's a slew of stuff out there if you search. Personally, I think Misty and JM were having a fling, Misty got caught by Lisa, Misty told yet another one of her fibs, and then the story grew.


Quoting my own post. I happen to believe from all that I have read that JM was railroaded.
 
  • #506
BBM...and she also seems very quick to point the finger at cuz'n Joe. What would she have to gain by pointing the finger at him?? Deflection from Timmy and possibly even herself. MOO

Watchinginky, that's what I think too.
 
  • #507
This may be O/T but here goes....

I wonder if there were any UNSOLVED murders in or around Satsuma before Haleigh went missing? I think the gun that was supposedly stolen from RON had been used in a horrible crime prior to Haleigh going missing.
 
  • #508
This may be O/T but here goes....

I wonder if there were any UNSOLVED murders in or around Satsuma before Haleigh went missing? I think the gun that was supposedly stolen from RON had been used in a horrible crime prior to Haleigh going missing.

That topic is already being discussed here: Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community
 
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Does anyone remember the 1st reports about Haleigh? It was said that Misty, Haleigh and an adult male were at the trailer that night. The adult male was described as a cousin or nephew....can't remember. It then morphed into Jr. being there.

Is it possible that Jr. was in fact not there? Maybe TN had him with her? Or, GGS? Maybe JO was there?
 
  • #512
Does anyone remember the 1st reports about Haleigh? It was said that Misty, Haleigh and an adult male were at the trailer that night. The adult male was described as a cousin or nephew....can't remember. It then morphed into Jr. being there.

Is it possible that Jr. was in fact not there? Maybe TN had him with her? Or, GGS? Maybe JO was there?

If you go back to the first threads about this case, there was a lot of discussion just as you are describing. I was looking at them last week myself.
 
  • #513
The Cuz--Joe

Fingers have been pointed at him since the start and by both sides--TN said there was a fight and Ron said there wasnt...If RC had any inclination towards Joe O being the individual that harmed Haleigh...I don't think Joe O would be breathing as we have all heard the threats he has made to kill whoever is responsible....Joe's name seems to come out at convenient times...

:clap::clap:also OT but not really--the culvert gun was a Baretta I believe and Ron mentions on the uc tapes that he always carries a glock...so does LE have the 9MM and have they examined it does anyone know....TIA :)

:clap::clap: Excellent observation regarding the guns. I sure hope LE caught it as well.

IMO, If Joe O. had something to do with Haleigh Ron would of killed him by now. He would of said it was justifiable.. and used the excuse, well I told LE that if I found who did this to my daughter I would kill them through the glass of a patrol car.

If, Joe has any involvement it would lead me to believe that maybe he helped dispose of Haleigh per Ronald's command or with Ronalds help. I find it very interesting that Ron has denied everything when it comes to Joe O. That in itself makes me very very suspicious. (More suspicious that he left the children in Misty's care and when he could not reach her he decided to work overtime and stop for beer, nuts and ciggs.) Joe did not leave Satsuma right after Haleigh went missing, he is in pictures seen hanging up flyer's with Misty. I thought he had to go back to TN because being in FL violated his probation and that is why he left. I may be wrong though, just what I recall from back then.
If we go back and look at this entire circus we can see that Ron was being very dramatic on his 911 call and my gut tells me something is just not right with Him. I know LE says Misty is the key, but IMO (for today), Ronald is that "Lock" that LE is trying to pry open. :truce:

Regarding what was said on NG last night.

I would also like to know if Misty did tell this info to LE back then, why did Ronald not pitch a fit over it? Misty is now saying that she saw Joe by the back door that was bricked. That is a whole new story! In the 911 call she said did not mention she saw anyone. All she saw was "3" as in the time. I now wonder if she meant 3 people and who would these 3 people be? In her LVA test it showed that there may of been 3-4 people involved if I remember correctly. She never mentioned Joe or any other's name, but did say she also had her doubts about Ron if you go back and listen.


"Snip" http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1002/24/ng.01.html


GRACE: My question is -- I believe a lot of focus came down on your client, Ronald Cummings. Yes, he did the drug deals. I can see that on video.

But what they want is the truth about where Haleigh is. That`s what they want. Misty now is telling people -- Misty Croslin, she observed her cousin, who is not a suspect or person of interest, in the home the night the child goes missing. What about that?

SHOEMAKER: Well, that`s the first I`ve heard anything about her cousin being in the house that night. The only thing I`d heard previously and the only thing that I believe Ronald has ever heard is that possibly, you know, her brother went over based on some telephone call that supposedly happened when Ronald called the house. So --

GRACE: So you had not heard this, Terry?

SHOEMAKER
: No, I have not.




GRACE: OK, go ahead Padilla.

PADILLA: ...It`s about Haleigh. We all know that. But I`m not going to cast aspersions on the efforts of the law enforcement people back in Florida.

What I`m saying is, I`m not involved in the pill case. I`m involved in Haleigh and bringing Haleigh home. And she has the information. Now, one of the rumors that I heard over the weekend was that she has said -- and I don`t know who to, but that she has said that she that night saw her cousin, Joe, standing in the doorway. Whether that`s true or not, I don`t know.

GRACE: Wait, wait, wait, wait! She is now saying she saw her cousin there in the doorway of the home the night Haleigh goes missing? This is news to me. Where did this come from?

PADILLA: It came to me from one of the relatives of Tommy. It was his sister-in-law, Timmy`s wife.

HARRIS: Nancy, this is a cousin the family has been telling me all along they suspect. The question is, is it a diversion, or is it true? I can tell you that law enforcement has interviewed this cousin in Tennessee twice.

HARRIS: He`s a cousin. His name is Joe. And he was there staying with Misty`s sister-in-law and brother during this period. The sister-in- law tells me that she got up the next morning. The van that she had was moved, and the keys were in a different place in the kitchen. So they are trying to implicate Joe. He took off the next morning after Haleigh vanished
Back to you, Padilla.

PADILLA: Yes, ma`am.

GRACE: The whole family, in my mind, has been trying to pin this on the cousin, Joe Croslin (SIC), from the get-go. And it is very unusual that immediately after Haleigh goes missing, he leaves town. He`s gone. What exactly did they say? What exactly did they say about his involvement?

PADILLA: Well, basically, she related -- and I think she related it to law enforcement and possibly her sister-in-law -- that she saw Joe Overstreet standing in the doorway, in the back, where it was propped open with the child. Now, subsequent to that, I know that Joe Overstreet was seen hanging "Haleigh missing" flyer's in town, and that shortly thereafter, he called his then girlfriend, Jennifer (ph), and said, I have to go to Antioch, Tennessee, where he lives. That`s where his mother and the family lives.

Subsequently, I think law enforcement went down there and did several interviews with him. It`s not to say that they`ve cleared him, but according to -- speaking to Chelsea and other family members, it`s kind of an ongoing discussion with Joe as to what he might have done or maybe participated in.
 
  • #514
Within seconds Padilla went from saying Misty saw Joe standing at the door to Misty saw Joe standing at the door holding Haleigh.

Bless Padilla, he's a colorful character and all and I'm sure his heart is in the right place, but he has me going... :waitasec:
 
  • #515
*If* Misty really saw Joe in the doorway holding Haleigh, what in the holy baloney is wrong with her? Why wasn't she immediately on the phone with 911 yelling that her cousin had taken Haleigh? Even if he just was there doing a surprise visit, isn't it customary to call 911 if your house gets broken in?
 
  • #516
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/20/ng.01.html

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: According to reports, the FBI`s investigating girlfriend Misty Croslin`s cousin, only identified as Joe. Some media outlets are reporting that the cousin got in an argument with Haleigh`s father, Ronald Cummings, over a missing gun.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Deputies say they`ve interviewed a cousin of Misty`s who was visiting from Tennessee before Haleigh`s disappearance. Cummings denies the two got into a dispute.

RONALD CUMMINGS, HALEIGH`S FATHER: There was no fight with no cousin over a gun. I don`t know where people are getting information from, but you know, people say a lot of things and they don`t know what they`re talking about. I don`t have any enemies.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: While Cummings denied any argument took place, his girlfriend, Misty Croslin, says that she doesn`t trust her cousin and isn`t sure if he`s involved in Haleigh`s abduction.

Thx. I stumbled around over there and ran across this one. Pretty interesting, imo.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ieSp87KbY0&feature=related
 
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Night noises in Satsuma! Wow!

No way would I ever get a wink of sleep if I had to listen to all those noises every night..
 

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