2009.03.03 GA suicide note

[Capri]

Since it seems GA does a lot of his thinking based on how it will affect CA, if she likes it or not, my guess is that there are things CA would find embarassing.

 

[marla]

How are they calling it a suicide note if there was no suicide? IMO there wasn't even an attempt of one.

In all honesty I would LOVE to read it. But that's just me being nosy. I'm not sure if it should be released or not. I'll have to wait until my feelings of disgust towards the A's dies down.

My feelings?

There was no suicide attempt, the man had been "missing" ALL day, yet was able to WALK to LE's waiting vehicle when found???

As for hs "suicide" note, if there's information pertaining to the case, RELEASE it to the public, if it's just George's drug-induced, drunken babble, who needs it!

 

[marla]

Exactly.

And frankly, having it come out that you had a dinner party at the Ritz with a media exec and many others, on the very day your granddaughter's remains were found, is something I would have thought he would find far more embarassing than this.

I forgot all about that ..

:furious:

 

[WholeLottaRosie]

Or going to jail.

Not as long as there is money in it.

 

[lin]

WRONG!!!!
I can tell you from personal experience after having taken a mixture of over a hundred pills washed down with alcohol,and slashed all over, I was taken to the hospital in a car, by a mental health team. No ambulance. (but then I had already been passed out for a couple of days and had regained consciousness)
Over here, if the cops are notified of a suicide attempt, they often call the mental health team as opposed to an ambulance. (Since those of us with mental health issues are viewed as attention seekers and a waste of resources.)

While I was in the psych ward with several other suicidal pts only one had been taken in by the ambos, because she had O.D'ed and was trying to walk into traffic and passers-by called them.
Otherwise its up to the mental health team- and thank god for them!

They should release whatever they deem relevant to the case, and only that.... unless they want to see the act played out to its tragic finale this time.
JMO

WRONG!!!!

Sorry, but it bugs me when someone asserts another is 'wrong' because their experience is different. I assume you are accurately representing the policies in place in your area.

However, in Florida, things are a bit different. Last year, a friend of mine took her teenage son to see a psychiatrist because of acting out and some 'issues' not relevant to the point I'm making. During the interview, the doctor asked the teen if he'd ever had 'suicidal thoughts' is what the teen reported but perhaps it was a bit more than what he admitted. Anyway, I digress. At that point, the doctor ended the interview; called for an ambulance; and informed the mother of the son's suicidal ideation and mandatory placement in a treatment facility for observation. The facility was only a mile or so away from the office and the mother wanted to drive the child to be able to explain to him what was going on, have a few minutes with him, etc. The doctor said no. The mother argued, even bringing up the cost of the ambulance and it not being covered by health insurance and the doctor explained it is state law that an ambulance be called. He did allow her to take the son across the street to a fast food place on her promise to return him, with the warning that if she didn't, there would be a warrant out for her arrest.

So, here in Florida, last year, my friend's experience was different. To the tune of a $200 ambulance bill, than was your experience wherever you live. Perhaps the doctor lied to her, but I can't imagine why.

 

[LancelotLink]

Holy Cow Mamabear! Y'all were talking about the Ganzugga Blanchard Park murder last night and now they are on live coverage!
http://www.wftv.com/video/18738968/index.html

 

[bunnyphoenix1]

WRONG!!!!

Sorry, but it bugs me when someone asserts another is 'wrong' because their experience is different. I assume you are accurately representing the policies in place in your area.

However, in Florida, things are a bit different. Last year, a friend of mine took her teenage son to see a psychiatrist because of acting out and some 'issues' not relevant to the point I'm making. During the interview, the doctor asked the teen if he'd ever had 'suicidal thoughts' is what the teen reported but perhaps it was a bit more than what he admitted. Anyway, I digress. At that point, the doctor ended the interview; called for an ambulance; and informed the mother of the son's suicidal ideation and mandatory placement in a treatment facility for observation. The facility was only a mile or so away from the office and the mother wanted to drive the child to be able to explain to him what was going on, have a few minutes with him, etc. The doctor said no. The mother argued, even bringing up the cost of the ambulance and it not being covered by health insurance and the doctor explained it is state law that an ambulance be called. He did allow her to take the son across the street to a fast food place on her promise to return him, with the warning that if she didn't, there would be a warrant out for her arrest.

So, here in Florida, last year, my friend's experience was different. To the tune of a $200 ambulance bill, than was your experience wherever you live. Perhaps the doctor lied to her, but I can't imagine why.

Thank you and thank you for sharing that with us.

 

[LLH]

I dont think there was a real Suicide attempt. I think it was one of many ways that this family has tried to deflect the spotlight from Casey, and a convenient way to avoid being deposed. I see no reason for the public to read the note, as I doubt it has any truth to it anyway. They have never let this just be about CAYLEE.

 

[lin]

I don't believe he was "moments from death" because they would have had the EMTs there pumping his stomach. They would NEVER have taken the liability of such an act. He was not in a life threatening situation at all in my opinion. You don't die from blood pressure pills and a six pack of beer. Give me a break !!

It was all a farce in my opinion and evidently LE thinks so too and the note needs to be released.

Mostly commenting to compliment your sig line. ITA!!

I don't think LE could know what GA had taken or when it may start to affect him, if they did believe he was attempting suicide. Actually, though, it does seem reasonable that an overdose of blood pressure medication could slow things enough to be dangerous, especially with alcohol, also a depressant.

However, as you pointed out, it strongly appears they had no reason to believe GA was in imminent danger from anything he had consumed or done; or was likely to become so in the immediate future. At the very least they wouldn't have wanted him puking in their car!

 

[lin]

In case I came across as unsympathetic earlier, I would like to clarify. I am very sorry for anyone who has ever reached such a dark night that suicide seemed their only option. I know the pain they must be in and the devastation they leave behind.

If this note contained only heartfelt tearful good- byes to his family, then I would be all for keeping it sealed. However, if the SA and LE want it entered into evidence, then I trust that it holds some sort of bearing on this case. I have faith in their integrity. Knowing the Anthony's past cover ups, manipulations, and twisting of the truth, I cannot put the same faith in their word.

This suicide incident could have been a genuine cry from the heart. It also could have been George wanting to escape for a night and Cindy over reacted and sicked the dogs on him accidently creating a situation that could be used to advantage.

It doesn't matter which as pertains to evidence. The Judge will decide if it comes in or stays out, according to the law.

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Very, very well done. I'll add my own caveat as well. Like you, I also feel very strongly for those in so much pain; suffering from depression; whether or not it leads to suicidal ideation or attempts. I wish I could send warmth and affection to "make it all better" to each and every one who suffers.

I also very strongly agree that the authorities will make a decision about the release of this note based on the law, not based on any attempt to harass or embarrass the family. Laws that apply to me should likewise apply to them, regardless of extra special grief, imo.

 

[GatorFL]

I personally think it should be kept private.

The exception would be if LE and/or the SA believes it is relevant to the murder investigation.

Agreed.

 

[lin]

The note doesn't have to have anything about Casey or if he knows something he spoke about in the note...it is probably about him and what he is feeling and why he decided to commit suicide. Maybe there are very personal things about George himself that he wrote to his family that doesn't need to be out in the media.

There is no reason in this world that his suicide notes should be made public. Everyone deserves some privacy especially when they have just lost a little granddaughter. I just can't see how it is anyone's business. If your mom, dad, spouse, or child committed suicide would you want their last letter put in the newspaper? I know I sure wouldn't. If you decided to commit suicide would you want a letter that you wrote to your family to be all over the media with people picking it apart and making comments about it? I think there are times we just go to far. Everything isn't our business nor is it the media's business. I really hope that those notes don't make it into the media.
None of us need to see George with his guts hanging out... so to speak.

Unfortunately for GA and those who support his request, it remains the law in Florida and applies to all who reside in and/or commit and/or attempt suicide within the state. If one does a google search for "suicide note Florida" there are several pages of results. I'm sure several of those families experienced grief and were not exempt from Florida law. If the courts rule that it should be released, they will do so with full knowledge of the content of the letter, something we don't have at the moment.

Despite numerous releases of suicide notes over the years, the law remains the same. There doesn't seem to have been a big public outcry and certainly not enough of an outcry to cause the law to be changed. It is my personal opinion that the law should apply equally to everyone, even those with extra special grief. Perhaps I would feel differently if I weren't so disgusted with all the exemptions and special considerations they have already demanded due to their extra special grief.

 

[Paintr]

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Very, very well done. I'll add my own caveat as well. Like you, I also feel very strongly for those in so much pain; suffering from depression; whether or not it leads to suicidal ideation or attempts. I wish I could send warmth and affection to "make it all better" to each and every one who suffers.

I also very strongly agree that the authorities will make a decision about the release of this note based on the law, not based on any attempt to harass or embarrass the family. Laws that apply to me should likewise apply to them, regardless of extra special grief, imo.

I like both your additions! :blowkiss:

 

[lin]

I'm pretty sure that an 8 page (allegedly 8 pages) "suicide" note is going to have some info in it that is pertinent to the case. We already know he made mention of Casey's "dark friends". It sounds like he was throwing suspicion on someone else AGAIN.

I think this letter will probably have lots of interesting info. It is 8 pages and the reason he was writing it was directly because of the situation with Casey and the death of Caylee. I'm sure it has info to either support previous info or it may have info in direct conflict to things he and CA have told LE and for that reason it should be viewed as evidence.

I will also admit (even though I'm in the minority) I want to see whats in that note :blushing:

For the reasons you stated, it will possibly be released and also possibly used at trial to impeach, if applicable. Under normal circumstances, one would assume a last missive would be the declarant's true thoughts and beliefs but with these people, it's highly doubtful, imo.

While I agree with all who have suggested that GA is hurting and mourning his loss, I also believe this note was meant to confuse, obfuscate and continue the pattern started in July 2008. For that reason alone, imo and if I'm correct in that belief, I feel that any embarrassment was self-wrought. Under different circumstances, I would be right there with the others who feel it is just adding torment to an already troubled individual and lament the law that caused the release.

 

[lin]

I really think that GA's note states that KC is guilty.

And that he cannot live with that fact.

I totally think GA believes his daughter did it. I always have felt that he knows deep down.

LE on the scene said it claimed the opposite. That doesn't mean, however, that it doesn't contain other relevant information. Who knows? Perhaps he even mentions being upset at the upcoming depositions. We don't know and won't know until and unless the court sees fit to release it based on the law and not GA's emotions now or then.

 

[aprilshowers]

Holy Cow Mamabear! Y'all were talking about the Ganzugga Blanchard Park murder last night and now they are on live coverage!
http://www.wftv.com/video/18738968/index.html

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OK .. Off topic I know, but what IS this live coverage? I'm know nothing about the 'Ganguzza Case'.

 

[EmMomma]

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OK .. Off topic I know, but what IS this live coverage? I'm know nothing about the 'Ganguzza Case'.

Nicole G. was killed at JBP shortly before Caylee was reported missing.
Today they are serving a POI with a warrant, I believe. There's a thread here:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=65962

HTH.

 

[LancelotLink]

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OK .. Off topic I know, but what IS this live coverage? I'm know nothing about the 'Ganguzza Case'.

Yeah, O/T. I tried to find a thread...
Persons Being Questioned In Nicole Ganguzza Murder.
Theories surround this murder occurring at Blanchard Park as a possible reason for Casey using Blanchard Park as a setting for one of her nanny stories.
http://www.wftv.com/news/18851339/detail.html#-

 

[LancelotLink]

Nicole G. was killed at JBP shortly before Caylee was reported missing.
Today they are serving a POI with a warrant, I believe. There's a thread here:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=65962

HTH.

Thanks! I was looking in the Crime in the News Forum. :blowkiss:

 

[Quiche]

Hi everyone, long time lurker, very new at posting! I have a question regarding the location of the suicide note-- was it actually recovered from the car? If so, wth? Was it pre-written or something? Why wasn't it in the room with him...

Also, really bugs me that he ordered pizza--if I believed that he claimed re pizza, I'd be put off forever more! Something stinks... jmo