2009.03.14 Geraldo - Dr. Baden, Slip or Not on Chloroform In Caylee's hair test?

[PattyCake]

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=79233&page=20

At 12:30 last night I posted the very same question and should have started a thread then. Anyway it was a statement he made, definitely! I heard it and he made it.

Okay, watching Geraldo.

Dr. Baden states that "They found chloroform in the baby's hair" regarding a drug test screening.

Is that true, did I hear him wrong? He was commenting not questioning.

Discussion was about Dr. Perper not taking samples of Anna Nicoles hair. And Dr. Baden stated that comment how they DID find traces of chloroform in Caylees hair.
Please forgive me if this was mentioned endlessly as I am not on Anthony board more than a few minutes every week.

 

[RR0004]

Definitely said "in the baby's hair". It doesn't relate otherwise to the topic being discussed IMO. Why would he say they found chloroform AND the baby's hair if he was talking about drug screening?

 

[sharpar]

I dont think these statements are slips or mistakes - I believe defense
is leaking results either from their own tests or making a guess on pros -
putting it out there to nudge pros to release the results sooner in
discovery or otherwise confirm or deny.

Defense is under no obligation to tell the truth - they can make statements as fact when they are outright lies or playing a slight of hand
such as what they have done with the 17 hairs .
Any statement by defense should be suspect.

 

[dax]

I dont think these statements are slips or mistakes - I believe defense
is leaking results either from their own tests or making a guess on pros -
putting it out there to nudge pros to release the results sooner in
discovery or otherwise confirm or deny.

Defense is under no obligation to tell the truth - they can make statements as fact when they are outright lies or playing a slight of hand
such as what they have done with the 17 hairs .
Any statement by defense should be suspect.

Correct me if I'm mistaken but Dr B isn't on the defense, is he?

Just because his wife is doesn't mean he is. Is he on the witness list for the defense. I didn't see his name.

 

[Green-Eyed Blonde]

LOL-- There actually IS a guy called Dr. Perper! All this time, I thought mention of him was slang for a generic forensic Dr. for hire for the perpetrator!

OMG-- my mistake cracks me up. I thought it was word-play on Dr. Pepper.

Oh, you are too, too funny and your mistake cracks me up too. If I had never watched NG, I wouldn't have known about Dr. Perper--althought I'm not certain I'd have made that great double word-play of the name. :clap:

 

[SuziQ]

Just emailed Kathy B just in case the media did not catch it.

I can't say enough how much I love that lady.

 

[SuziQ]

If I am not mistaken, RM deleted the advertisment for chloroform off of his computer the day that KC was arrested. I thought it was odd at the time and now I wonder why. Anyone else?

IIRC, he stated in his interview with LE that he was receiving alot of flack and rude comments on his myspace account over it, and that's why he removed it.

Win her over with Chloroform is a new take on the old joke, Win her over with booze.

 

[PattyCake]

I dont think these statements are slips or mistakes - I believe defense
is leaking results either from their own tests or making a guess on pros -
putting it out there to nudge pros to release the results sooner in
discovery or otherwise confirm or deny.

Defense is under no obligation to tell the truth - they can make statements as fact when they are outright lies or playing a slight of hand
such as what they have done with the 17 hairs .
Any statement by defense should be suspect.

But this severly hurts the defense case! KC's computer showing chloroform searches & recipes & Caylees' hair showing possible months of chloroform chemicals in it?

 

[SuziQ]

I don't believe Casey had been administering chloroform for a long period of time. To administer chloroform with a rag safely you have to do it drips at a time. Each dose only lasts about 15 minutes.

Third world country veterinarians use chloroform on large animals. They use a mask which mixes the chloroform with gas (diluting it) and controls the dosage.

Chloroform might be a good date rape drug. But, it wouldn't work as a babysitter because you'd have to stay at the child's head dripping drops every 15 minutes to keep the child asleep.

If Casey used it, she did it once and did it wrong. She wouldn't have put the duct tape over into Caylee's hair if she thought the duct tape was going to ever come off. Taxidermists and small town animal shelters still use chloroform as an inexpensive way to euthanize. You can find pages all over the web on how to use chloroform for that. You won't find a single site or example of how to use chloroform for a babysitter.

JMO

This is exactly my understanding of chloroform. It would seem to me that Casey either had a misadveture with it the first time she used it, not knowing the effects, or she used it with premeditation to kill Caylee.

 

[Hot Dogs]

This is possible I guess. I think I know what the transcript will say.

The transcript could end up being wrong as well.

I didn't hear the interview where Baden said Caylee's bones were found in the bag. Is it possible he said "...bones and the bag" and it was misunderstood then as well?

As much as I hate to, I have to go and listen to Baden some more. Thanks Hot Dogs!

He said "since all of the bones were contained in the bag."
I heard him say that twice in different interviews.
He was implying that someone had placed Caylee's remains in the woods recently when he was saying that.

Folks could go back and review the mid-January thread about Dr. Baden's bones proclamation. The thread is titled, "Dr. Michael Baden: Misinformed or deliberate misinformation?"

 

[RR0004]

I dont think these statements are slips or mistakes - I believe defense
is leaking results either from their own tests or making a guess on pros -
putting it out there to nudge pros to release the results sooner in
discovery or otherwise confirm or deny.

Defense is under no obligation to tell the truth - they can make statements as fact when they are outright lies or playing a slight of hand
such as what they have done with the 17 hairs .
Any statement by defense should be suspect.

Well, if that is the case...which it very well may be...it is DEFINITELY not Dr. B's place to play their game. He is NOT employed by them. He should come with a disclaimer!!

 

[Jolynna]

Are you saying the defense then leaked this? If so, why would they do that? IMO Baden would know this from other sources, not LE.

The sheriff is complaining about the leaks coming from his office.

I don't think LE or the state wants the defense to have the scientific specifics just yet. That gives the defense more time to come up with counter-attacks.

None-the-less information IS being leaked. I am sure Baden heard something through his wife who probably wants to know MORE. LKB would love to get a rebuttal or confirmation from the horse's mouth.

I don't see how Baden's slip HURTS the defense. They've been begging and filing motions to get more scientific discovery released. The sooner it comes out the more time they have to rebut and figure out more innocent sounding alternative scenarios.

IMO

 

[RR0004]

But this severly hurts the defense case! KC's computer showing chloroform searches & recipes & Caylees' hair showing possible months of chloroform chemicals in it?

I can see where JB wants LE to show their hand by pushing them. Wrong way to go about it IMO. Save it for the courtroom.

 

[texaslb218]

She is one of my top 3 of "who would you buy a book from" on this case.

Just emailed Kathy B just in case the media did not catch it.

 

[Baznme]

Not trying to be argumentative at all...

But, wouldn't the ME's report have indicated something regarding chloroform as likely COD if this information was truly available via forensics on the hair???

I understand "in" the hair would mean peri-mortem...so...a technicality?

I'm just sayin'...

I would venture to say, not as an immediate cause of death as they would have had to test the hair (which is time intensive) - therefore the ME's would not have known at the time they declared the COD as "homicide". The chloroform could be the clincher as the COD if the results are now in.

 

[RR0004]

The sheriff is complaining about the leaks coming from his office.

I don't think LE or the state wants the defense to have the scientific specifics just yet. That gives the defense more time to come up with counter-attacks.

None-the-less information IS being leaked. I am sure Baden heard something through his wife who probably wants to know MORE. She'd love to get a rebuttal or confirmation from the horse's mouth instead of rumor.

I don't see how Baden's slip HURTS the defense. They've been begging and filing motions to get more scientific discovery released. The sooner it comes out the more time they have to rebut and figure out more innocent sounding alternative scenarios.

IMO

I hate the fact that a DR. would be doing this. IMO very wrong on so many levels. I wish someone from the media would ask Dr. B to "PROVE" what he said. I don't think at this stage of the "game" LE will take the bait.

 

[SuziQ]

I brought up my chloroform points because of speculation that Casey had been dosing Caylee with chloroform over a long period of time.

At the in-depth chloroform discussion are lots of links showing why Casey probably only used the chloroform once if she used it.

ITA, it would not make sense to go to the trouble of buying it online or going through the hassle of making it to put your kid to sleep for 15 minutes. Benadryl is much easier, cheaper and puts most kids to sleep for a couple of hours.

I always felt that Casey may have lifted the chloroform from the tattoo parlor she went to. Plenty of these places illegally use it for piercings. They couldn't admit to having it stolen because they would have to admit to breaking the law by having it to begin with.

 

[MyTinkieGirl]

The transcript could end up being wrong as well.






Folks could go back and review the mid-January thread about Dr. Baden's bones proclamation. The thread is titled, "Dr. Michael Baden: Misinformed or deliberate misinformation?"

I'm puttin my money on the fact that we'll be hearin from the defense about this statement early next week....probably putting the spin on it like when TB had "the dead little girl" slip and blamed it on another reporters rude comments. Maybe blame LE again...so what else is new.

 

[whiteangora]

The transcript could end up being wrong as well.






Folks could go back and review the mid-January thread about Dr. Baden's bones proclamation. The thread is titled, "Dr. Michael Baden: Misinformed or deliberate misinformation?"

bold, me

The video can't be wrong, here it is only a few seconds long.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fZsd--Y2Hk

 

[cajun]

FWIW, IMHO, this 'slip of the tongue' by Baden would not be spontaneous...rather, it would be the beginning of the defense sowing the "it was an accident" defense when the ZFG thing completely unravels @ trial.

Baden first advanced his accidental o.d back in Sep '08....before his wife was enlisted in the defense.

Oh I so hope they try to say she accidentally overdosed her daughter with chloroform...yes, all mothers chloroform their children to sleep and Casey just accidentally gave her too much. :doh:that would be the most stupid mistake they could make and would be Casey's final nail in her coffin.