2009.06.16 George and Cindy on CBS Early show

[sissyjane]

I wonder if CA is counting the five months as being from July when they got the car and realized Caylee was dead until December when Caylee was found? They knew all along and still hunted for a live Caylee??

Exactly!--Cindy is counting from July when Casey came home. I really don't think it means anything.

 

[Just Jayla]

Not that I am great at figuring out the A's behavior, but I would guess it means they are, once again, trying to gather public sympathy. They put on such a show and it's all obviously fake, IMO. The real Cindy and George were in the deposition and in LE interviews...this is not them. We have seen the real A's and it's not pretty.

If given the chance, I would beg GA to put himself back to that mindset, during the LE interviews, and go with what's right.....

CA had a very clear changing point, right between the first LE interview she had at the station and the FBI interview (think it was only a matter of days between). I think by the time she was done with the interview at the police station, she realized that the police had asked her an awful lot about KC, and she realized they knew what she (maybe subconciously) knew, that KC did something to Caylee....that they were not going to look for another perp before clearing KC.
By the time she got to the FBI interview, a few days later, she had already started to do her own "sleuthing" on what happened, she had decided she did not like OCSO's "clear KC first" strategy.
So I would want CA to behave like she did just before she realized that police were looking at no one else but KC. She had provided good factual information, all be it peppered with a little embelishment on how functional her family was!

 

[whiteangora]

There seems to be some conflict as to whether GA fed Caylee breakfast on the morning of June 16. I have read most of this thread, but not all (yet). So if someone has brought this up, just ignore this.

A lot of people are surprized to hear from GA on the CBS show that he fed her breakfast. Saying they never heard of that before.
But I am watcing CA´s deposition now and came across this: The interrogator states the following.

"The morning of June 16, then actually George, I think, that´d fed Caylee breakfast that morning." (This is how I hear him saying it - it sounds a bit odd the way he words it. But the meaning is clear.)

So obviously it is not the first time we hear that George had fed Caylee breakfast that morning.

YouTube - Cindy Anthony Deposition Part 11
Watch from 5:50

That's interesting, thanks.
When people say they never heard that before, it's because GA has never mentioned it in any of his interviews with LE, or the FBI. It was a new addition on June 16 during the Early Show.
During the depo with Morgan Cindy does not really verify who fed Caylee, she says she didn't know since she was at work.
But now I am wondering if C&G have been studying that depo and that's why GA added his little tidbit about breakfast?

 

[OneLostGrl]

If given the chance, I would beg GA to put himself back to that mindset, during the LE interviews, and go with what's right.....

CA had a very clear changing point, right between the first LE interview she had at the station and the FBI interview (think it was only a matter of days between). I think by the time she was done with the interview at the police station, she realized that the police had asked her an awful lot about KC, and she realized they knew what she (maybe subconciously) knew, that KC did something to Caylee....that they were not going to look for another perp before clearing KC.
By the time she got to the FBI interview, a few days later, she had already started to do her own "sleuthing" on what happened, she had decided she did not like OCSO's "clear KC first" strategy.
So I would want CA to behave like she did just before she realized that police were looking at no one else but KC. She had provided good factual information, all be it peppered with a little embelishment on how functional her family was!

I gotta tell ya, I kinda enjoyed the FBI thing.

We already know she threatened LE with negative media attention. I can just imagine the threats she made to OSCO about the FBI. I'm sure she thought she was flexing her muscles and scaring them with a threat to call in FBI because they were not doing a good enough job. No doubt she thought she was going over OCSO's head by calling them in. Big bad Cindy..

LOL Sure blew up in her face when the FBI came to the same conclusion OCSO did, ya know? KARMA!

 

[mitzi]

Say there was a foundation started for the grieving family members where a family murdered another family member. How would the foundation make money? No tee shirts/bracelets/teddy bears, to sell. A foundation could help the grieving with media in their faces. (LMAO) Foot the bill of a few meals---could go thru a Church for that. (Ladies from Church always like to give of their time for meals) Guess a foundation could hang in the home and answer the phone for the family. Guess the foundation could invest in some hammers and baseball bats in case there are any protesters. Hey, I know---they could be a spokesperson and do the media thang---the A's are expert in that area. HMMMMMM---what else?

Bold mine...

Place ads for 24 hour "free" assistants for the "grieving families".

Cater crab puffs at the searches.

Ya know, umm, ya know, that kinda stuff! :crazy:

 

[Bobbisangel]

I'm probably on the wrong thread. Watching CBS The Early Show right Now. Caylee coverage. "A" Family propoganda....
Corespondent called them out..."how do you respond to someone with a missing child who says, yea, but your child was murdered not missing". Answer? CA/GA BS. Blah. Blah. Blah.

What was their answer when they were asked that question?

 

[Bobbisangel]

That is exactly what I thought. Imagine CA saying "don't turn away any help".:furious: Oh I get it, she is one of those "do as I say- not as I do" kinda people. WTH?? Does CA have a God Complex? Did she say that because of HER national media reported on Haleigh? GMAB! And now one year later we learn that GA had breakfast with Caylee? I won't believe that unless I see proof that he told LE that back on 7/16/08. And maybe not even then! OHHH I feel a rant coming on. These people's interviews should come with a warning--"Watching this may endanger your health". Please OCSO put these people on house arrest!! :cow:

I'll bet Cindy can't even count how many people she ran off who wanted to help find Caylee. It was going to be her way or the highway. Find a live Caylee or leave. She was a first class Biotch yet she expects Ron Cummings to be thrilled because her and George showed up to tout their Kid Finding Foundation. Ron isn't stupid...he said that he believe the Anthonys have their own agenda and I agree...to advertise their Foundation. They probably started the Foundation so that they could haul in the big bucks. Neither of them are working and they have to live somehow. I wonder how the fishing is going!

I don't think anyone will ever forget the way Cindy treated Tim Miller. I wish the hostess of GMA would have brought that up!

 

[Bobbisangel]

And it is the reason why BC came out today and basically challenged JB to put KC on the stand, why he essentially admits that KC had at least something to do with Caylee's death, why he finally is coming out and saying that JB is the one who won't let the A's visit KC, and IMO why he is making a very strong suggestion to JB to have KC accept a plea. Something has emboldened BC, and that something has to be whatever is in that autopsy report.

There is no chance that Casey will be offered a plea....not now. JB could go to the Pros and beg for a plea and I doubt he would get it unless it was LWOP instead of the death penalty. I don't believe Casey would take that kind of a plea. She thinks she is going to walk out of the jailhouse doors when the trial is over. I really believe she believes that and JB has influenced that belief.

 

[Nore]

I'll bet Cindy can't even count how many people she ran off who wanted to help find Caylee. It was going to be her way or the highway. Find a live Caylee or leave. She was a first class Biotch yet she expects Ron Cummings to be thrilled because her and George showed up to tout their Kid Finding Foundation. Ron isn't stupid...he said that he believe the Anthonys have their own agenda and I agree...to advertise their Foundation. They probably started the Foundation so that they could haul in the big bucks. Neither of them are working and they have to live somehow. I wonder how the fishing is going!

I don't think anyone will ever forget the way Cindy treated Tim Miller. I wish the hostess of GMA would have brought that up!

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[illinoismom]

I posted these in the Random Thoughts and Discussion Ideas#6 About the Case and either my thoughts are way off base or that thread doesnt get much traffic.

So I am now posting here since what got me (and my SIL) thinking these things was the comment CA made about Caylee missing 5 months...Hope thats ok.

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[Friday]

What a perfect way to put that. It really bothered me as well and it was also yet another instance where CA cannot really control the defensive, angry self-justification that leaks through her words whenever she is challenged in any way. I'm sure her self-aggrandizing martyr role is something she has honed over the years when talking about her situation to coworkers, family (and perhaps her therapist) when describing herself as the sole bread-winner living with a lethargic, self-indulgent husband with little ambition and her equally self-absorbed, lazy and reluctant-mommy of a daughter.

The fact that their civilized veneer is so easily cracked or melted is certainly something that has made the public instinctively mistrust them and their motives from the beginning. I think they have consistently underestimated the public's ability to recognize a pig garishly smeared with lipstick.

Slightly OT: Beans, if you aren't a writer/author, you should be! Your style makes your messages wonderful to read. :blowkiss:

 

[cecybeans]

I gotta tell ya, I kinda enjoyed the FBI thing.

We already know she threatened LE with negative media attention. I can just imagine the threats she made to OSCO about the FBI. I'm sure she thought she was flexing her muscles and scaring them with a threat to call in FBI because they were not doing a good enough job. No doubt she thought she was going over OCSO's head by calling them in. Big bad Cindy..

LOL Sure blew up in her face when the FBI came to the same conclusion OCSO did, ya know? KARMA!

Not to mention the fact that once the FBI was involved, there was at least one agency who could use unparalleled equipment, techniques and resources to add to the evidence. Most importantly, one that the defense couldn't subvert or circumvent the way they've tried to manipulate and discredit local LE and the SA using the Sunshine Laws that are completely beyond the state's control. The defense has also managed to exploit the lack of gag order (which they fought because they figured they could use the media to their advantage, but publicly bemoan as if they are instead the victims of a conspiracy).

I think the Anthonys thought that involving the FBI would give legitimacy to calling the crime a "kidnapping" (which it was clear that local LE was understandably reluctant to continue to do) as well as to set up an artificial adversarial situation (evidenced by several comments GA made in his FBI interviews that were meant to flatter FBI and subtly criticize LE). If they had realized that perhaps OCSO and FBI could work together professionally and collaboratively and that, once the FBI was involved, certain evidence would be protected beyond the Sunshine Laws, they might have thought twice about that being a smart strategy.

The Anthonys seem to be painfully unaware of the fact that they have not been able to manage public perception and appear to have divided their loyalties to a daughter accused of murder (among other crimes) and a completely innocent granddaughter who may very well have met her end at their daughter's hands.

While we all sympathize with the heartbreaking choice they had to make, the fact is the public has perceived them spending their time propagandizing the innocence, or trying to protect every possible legal accommodation or technical right of a clearly wayward daughter, while simultaneously, in essence, basically reducing their granddaughter to a caricature brand name to raise money (both before and after the truth was known about her actual demise).

What they seem to have forgotten is that the state is there to bring the protective aegis of legal justice to their granddaughter regardless of how it personally impacts them as a family. If a family cannot stand up and demand justice for the death of a child - if they cannot because it is personally painful or inconvenient - then that is precisely where the state must intervene as a sort of posthumous guardian ad litem. While I can feel sympathy for the family of the defendant and can insist that every consideration be shown to them in constructing their defense, the victim must been seen to receive equal consideration.

If say, in another situation, an elderly person met with death and it was likely at the hands of a family member, whether accidental or not, and the death of the person created a situation in which one or all of the remaining family members could benefit in some way, I don't think that the same allowances would be demanded or expected for the defendant and his or her family - the emphasis would be on the plight of the victim, regardless of whether the elderly person was ill or had lived a long and happy life. I guess what I'm saying is that I don't mind concern being shown for fairness for the defendant as long as the same concern is shown by the victim's family for the victim herself even though, but most especially because she cannot speak for herself, and I just do not see that happening. Sorry. Rant over.

 

[cecybeans]

Slightly OT: Beans, if you aren't a writer/author, you should be! Your style makes your messages wonderful to read. :blowkiss:

You are sweet to say so - I cherish the folks who don't just dismiss me as a verbose, curmudgeonly crank. They have the generosity of spirit to see what it is I'd really like to express or mean and that I unfortunately too often take far too long to get to!

 

[Leila]

There is no chance that Casey will be offered a plea....not now. JB could go to the Pros and beg for a plea and I doubt he would get it unless it was LWOP instead of the death penalty. I don't believe Casey would take that kind of a plea. She thinks she is going to walk out of the jailhouse doors when the trial is over. I really believe she believes that and JB has influenced that belief.

I think it's very likely that KC believes that JB is going to "get her out of this mess", and she'll soon walk out of jail free and clear. IMO, JB hasn't been honest with his client by appraising her of all her legal avenues. She should be advised of what her options are, and that if she's guilty, a plea is one option. But, then JB wouldn't get to be the defense attorney in a murder trial that will be highly publicised and thus make him famous. A plea wouldn't be good for JB's career.

KC's parents doing media interviews in which they promote KC's innocence and that someone else murdered Caylee only enforces KC's belief she's going to walk free. Although this last media interview on the Early Show, GA and CA didn't mention KC's innocence this time.

 

[Patty G]

There seems to be some conflict as to whether GA fed Caylee breakfast on the morning of June 16. I have read most of this thread, but not all (yet). So if someone has brought this up, just ignore this.

A lot of people are surprized to hear from GA on the CBS show that he fed her breakfast. Saying they never heard of that before.
But I am watcing CA´s deposition now and came across this: The interrogator states the following.

"The morning of June 16, then actually George, I think, that´d fed Caylee breakfast that morning." (This is how I hear him saying it - it sounds a bit odd the way he words it. But the meaning is clear.)

So obviously it is not the first time we hear that George had fed Caylee breakfast that morning.

YouTube - Cindy Anthony Deposition Part 11
Watch from 5:50

Actually the attorney threw out a question to Cindy to find out about what happened the morning of June 16th.

The attorney led off by asking: "George is the one, I think, who fed Caylee breakfast in the morning" and Cindy responded "she didn't know who fed Caylee breakfast that morning." The key here for fishing is "I think".

The attorney did this because there was never any mention anywhere about the morning of June 16th regarding Caylee waking up, having breakfast, getting dressed etc., etc. The attorney wanted to get that question and answer on record.

It was an awesome move by the attorney in April 2009 because now, based on the CBS Early Show interview out comes George saying: "he had breakfast with Caylee the morning of June 16th and put her in the car."

IMO, once the Anthony's reviewed the questions asked to them at the depo, and the LE interviews, somehow they had to get out "who fed Caylee that morning" and they managed to do this on the Early Show.

 

[mom2chloe]

Actually the attorney threw out a question to Cindy to find out about what happened the morning of June 16th.

The attorney led off by asking: "George is the one, I think, who fed Caylee breakfast in the morning" and Cindy responded "she didn't know who fed Caylee breakfast that morning." The key here for fishing is "I think".

The attorney did this because there was never any mention anywhere about the morning of June 16th regarding Caylee waking up, having breakfast, getting dressed etc., etc. The attorney wanted to get that question and answer on record.

It was an awesome move by the attorney in April 2009 because now, based on the CBS Early Show interview out comes George saying: "he had breakfast with Caylee the morning of June 16th and put her in the car."

IMO, once the Anthony's reviewed the questions asked to them at the depo, and the LE interviews, somehow they had to get out "who fed Caylee that morning" and they managed to do this on the Early Show.

I am wondering if this little tid bit regarding who fed Caylee breakfast the morning of June 16 was something GA may have disclosed to the Grand Jury and perhaps that it why we have not heard any of this information previously? :waitasec: Although we will likely never know exactly what was said behind closed doors prior to KC's indictment for murder following GA's testimony, surely he would have been questioned regarding the specifics of that morning. Grand Jurors are allowed to ask whatever questions they want of a witness and I am certain this would have been information they wanted clarified if the prosecution had not already covered this prior to handing down the indictment.

 

[countzero]

I posted these in the Random Thoughts and Discussion Ideas#6 About the Case and either my thoughts are way off base or that thread doesnt get much traffic.

So I am now posting here since what got me (and my SIL) thinking these things was the comment CA made about Caylee missing 5 months...Hope thats ok.

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This was really enlightening. Now, I would want to know how many times ALyons has been to see KC since she came to the JB crew and the times they have conversed with BC.

I know we won't be given the answer to my 2nd question. Clearly ALyons has had some influence for this change.

 

[LancelotLink]

I posted these in the Random Thoughts and Discussion Ideas#6 About the Case and either my thoughts are way off base or that thread doesnt get much traffic.

So I am now posting here since what got me (and my SIL) thinking these things was the comment CA made about Caylee missing 5 months...Hope thats ok.

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Random Thoughts and Discussion Ideas#6 About the Case

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Random Thoughts and Discussion Ideas#6 About the Case

This is very interesting!
After reading the first linked post, I thought CA could have been referring to July 15, the day she "realized" Caylee was missing. I don't buy that for a second. I agree with your synopsis. I'm only pointing out that CA has clarified statements before with, "That's how it felt to me." Which means, "You can't use what I said. You have to use what I say now."
The second linked post.
This would explain the exchange between Hoover and DC. DC contacted Hoover the day before 11/14 and told him to meet him at his office. He told him, "We found Caylee and we need to go and get her."
Wow!
I think these items you have listed deserve their own thread.

 

[SATA]

mom2chloe: I am wondering if this little tid bit regarding who fed Caylee breakfast the morning of June 16 was something GA may have disclosed to the Grand Jury and perhaps that it why we have not heard any of this information previously? :waitasec: Although we will likely never know exactly what was said behind closed doors

I agree. We don´t know it all.

I am curious. I don´t know if this is the right thread to post this question, but why is it that many tend to think that poor little Caylee died on June 15?
I am new to the case - I mean, really new since I don´t live in USA and only just recently learned about it. So bear with me.

 

[Gma Kat]

:behindbarCindy is such a piece of work...she sits there and states that when you have a missing child you take all the help you can get. Well, I recall she only wanted people that would look for a live Caylee to help. She treated TES like dirt and still I have not heard that this family has donated back to TES after they spend nearly $100,000 searching for Caylee.

I would think the CMA Foundation would be a generous donor to TES IF IN FACT THE CHARITY IS FOR WHAT THEY CLAIM IT IS FOR...........which we know it is not. It's a way not to go back to work for the A's.