2009.06.19 Autopsy Report Released

[Just Jayla]

I wish I had not read this.

Me, either. If this had been a report on a random John Doe, I would not be so squeemish (I've watched Dr. G's show), but after seeing so much of Caylee alive, through video, etc., it feels more personal and sickening.

 

[BondJamesBond]

Yes, because it implies that the tape was NOT applied to prevent fluid leakage that had already begun because of decompostion.

*snipped*

Respectfully, I'm afraid I don't see how it "implies that the tape was NOT applied to prevent fluid leakage..."

Not saying there's stronger evidence that fluid leakage is the reason it was applied either. Just saying I don't see the same implication.

 

[MAMABEAR]

I took this to mean that the coroner's thought was that her body had been there the entire time she was missing.

But this part is what I meant:

would not be inconsistent with the taphonomy of the skeleton

 

[sharpar]

I'm curious about the fabric letters. Why were they put into the bag with Caylee?

the lettering was on a shirt

 

[DEPUTYDAWG]

I don't think the several pieces of duct tape were put there to hold the mandible in place, that was just the result when skeletonized.

Several pieces is interesting isn't it? One would have to tear several pieces from another source. I hope they can match it to a roll of tape they've seized.

We will never know if the tape was put on before or after Caylee's death. Because there were several, my first hunch is that the body was beginning to decompose and KC needed to make sure the fluids didn't leak out - so several pieces (you know one more for good measure) were placed over the nose and mouth. Then she placed a sticker there so it wouldn't look so bad.

Was it in the report somewhere about the heart shaped sticker or adhesive that we had heard about? I didn't see it in the report. ?

 

[Searchfortruth]

What struck me is that the report states that the tape covered both the upper and lower jaw bones (maxilla and mandible, respectively), and that the tape held the mandible in place even after disarticulation should have occurred.

How disgusting what that inhuman waste of human flesh did to that baby.

This explains why the state brought the DP back after the remains were found. This is what I have feared all along, this tape was, IMO, put over Caylee's mouth and nose, there would be no purpose in doing that after death. This, and the fact that the remains were dumped by Casey in June, are what the A's and the defense didn't want released to the public. Multiple layers of duct tape over a child's face, she deserves the needle, IMHO. If the A's wanted JUSTICE for their murdered Grandaughter, I could support them 100%, they want to cover up the details of her murder, because they know their daughter is the one who killed her.

 

[beach]

*snipped*

Respectfully, I'm afraid I don't see how it "implies that the tape was NOT applied to prevent fluid leakage..."

Not saying there's stronger evidence that fluid leakage is the reason it was applied either. Just saying I don't see the same implication.

I agree. I am very confused about when the tape was applied. Was she still alive? or was it after death, but before decomposing? or, do we not know? sorry, but i don't want to re-read that report right now.

 

[Just Jayla]

Can somebody please explain to me how the autopsy report could tarnish Caylee's memory as stated in one of the news artilcles today? Caylee was a sweet innocent child who did not deserve this and her memory could never be tarnished - she did not ask for this. The only memory tarnished is the one that is held for her killer/mother. Am I missing something?:waitasec:

No, you're right....This does not tarnish Caylee's memory, in fact to me it reinforces why justice needs to be done in memory of this precious child.

 

[JWG]

50 pages of FBI reports posted on Orlando Sentinel's website.

Also, missing autopsy pages posted there as well.

 

[impatientredhead]

Not to disagree, only to suggest an alternative. I haven't read it yet, but, based on reading this post I don't draw the same conclusion that "it covered Caylees nose".

Consider that tape could have covered the lower portion of the maxilla (e.g. upper lip) without covering the nose.

FWIW.

http://images.google.com/imgres?img...4&um=1&tbnid=dTggBKGStSVAiM:&tbnh=124&tbnw=99

Graphic warning.....

Since the announcement of the duct tape I thought she used it to suffocate her, not for staging or leakage. I do think it covered her nose as well, though I agree we cannot take that as fact at this point. But if you consider the width of the tape, the size of Caylee's face, and the multiple layers that effected the mandible and maxilla I think it is very unlikely that her nose was not covered. And not to be horribly graphic but I don't think covering the nose would be a requirement for suffocation. You would have to remain very calm to manage to breath through your nose while duct tape was wrapped around your head. Crying would close your airways, as would vomiting (which was my thought with the matted hair, but doesn't quite fit logistically unless the struggle was really horrible).

 

[Searchfortruth]

Was it in the report somewhere about the heart shaped sticker or adhesive that we had heard about? I didn't see it in the report. ?

I think since the heart speaks more to who committed the crime and the autopsy report is about how the death occured, it was not included.

 

[Angel Who Cares]

Part 4 of report for discussion:
AUTOPSY: Bones
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19801867/detail.html

:angel:

 

[CentralFLMama]

Multiple layers of duct tape over a child's face, she deserves the needle

I agree 100%

 

[faefrost]

So no clear indication yet as to whether or not she had prior exposure to drugs or volatiles.

All they had to work with was hair and bone. Toxicology testing on hair and bone can only show or rule out long term exposure to drugs or volatiles. For example the hair could tell if she was exposed to chloroform heavily for several months, but it could not tell you if it was simply used near the time of death. Those tox results would have to come from soft tissue, of which there was none to test.

 

[static]

I don't think the several pieces of duct tape were put there to hold the mandible in place, that was just the result when skeletonized.

Several pieces is interesting isn't it? One would have to tear several pieces from another source. I hope they can match it to a roll of tape they've seized.

We will never know if the tape was put on before or after Caylee's death. Because there were several, my first hunch is that the body was beginning to decompose and KC needed to make sure the fluids didn't leak out - so several pieces (you know one more for good measure) were placed over the nose and mouth. Then she placed a sticker there so it wouldn't look so bad.

Several layers in my opinion sounds like KC was angry and was trying to keep Caylee from crying. I almost think she went back and put the sticker on after Caylee had passed. JMO

 

[BondJamesBond]

The Duct tape was placed to keep the Mandible in place?
I have looked it up and I do have thoughts but I want to see what others more knowledgeable say about this.

Important to note that you inserted the word "to".

The report is simply stating a fact that the result of the duct tape being there was that the mandible was kept in place. As opposed to implying the purpose of the tape as it does when you insert the word "to" IYKWIM.

 

[travelgal]

This small amount of information by comparison to other reports released just devastates me! Maybe I am just in a vulnerable mood today but this makes me very, very sad! I have formulated various scenarios in my mind throughout discussions on these threads but for some reason this just reall brings it all home for me! I am a little disappointed that no drugs, etc were found because I hate to think Caylee was not already "out" or sleeping when that dang duct tape was put on her sweet little face. I am running the gamut of emotions today - overwhelming sadness for Caylee :angel: :cry: & deep anger toward KC & the A's! :furious:

 

[impatientredhead]

Was it in the report somewhere about the heart shaped sticker or adhesive that we had heard about? I didn't see it in the report. ?

I don't think that would be part of the autopsy report. The sticker was found at the scene and the residue was detected at the FBI labs while looking for trace evidence in the tape.

 

[JWG]

Link to nearly 100 pages of material.

 

[ziggy]

Was it in the report somewhere about the heart shaped sticker or adhesive that we had heard about? I didn't see it in the report. ?

No that would be in a different report. The folks who do the autopsy don't also examine the tape for forensic evidence. The report says the tape was turned over for that type of examination. Upon that examination - so we hear - they found the residue of the glue on the sticker backing in the heart shape.