2009.07.30 Deposition Lee Anthony

[Nore]

Doesn't it make you want to sit the three of them down and ask......Then whose remains are they??!! Are there any other little girls of that age who they could possibly be???!!

Such idiocy.

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They must think we are stupid.No Caylee remains, no murder:furious:.I am so sick of these people.The Medical Examiner has no axe to grind.She simply determines through testing whether it is Caylee or not.Anthony Family ~ SHE DOESN"T CARE :banghead:. Her job is to identify.Are they completely DENSE? My God wake up!!!

 

[justthinkin]

See, I interpret it as a desire to ingratiate himself with his interrogators. Nervousness could be one cause for this, I guess. Personally, I think it's a sales tactic.

Still, I do feel for LA. He has to chose between trying to preserve his family (as the As have doubtless framed it) vs. adhering to society's laws. Not an easy decision for most people at any age. I pity him from the bottom of my heart.

It is a disconnect between himself and emotional content. He cannot afford to allow himself to feel what he's really feeling so he dissociates from those painful feelings. You see this with children, who when upset, are told to wipe that sour puss look off their face and put on a happy face. They are literally taught to hide their true feelings and to pretend to feel something other than what they're actually feeling. This is something Lee does, and it's quite unconscious on his part. He can't see it, but we can.

I used to do the very same thing a long time ago until a therapist pointed it out to me. It stems from years of parental abuse. As Dr. Phil would say, "you can't change what you don't acknowledge, " and in order for Lee to start feeling and owning his true feelings, someone's going to have to point out to him that laughter is very inappropriate when discussing that your dead niece has been locked in your sister's trunk and allowed to decompose there.

 

[Just Jayla]

It is a disconnect between himself and emotional content. He cannot afford to allow himself to feel what he's really feeling so he dissociates from those painful feelings. You see this with children, who when upset, are told to wipe that sour puss look off their face and put on a happy face. They are literally taught to hide their true feelings and to pretend to feel something other than what they're actually feeling. This is something Lee does, and it's quite unconscious on his part. He can't see it, but we can.

I used to do the very same thing a long time ago until a therapist pointed it out to me. It stems from years of parental abuse. As Dr. Phil would say, "you can't change what you don't acknowledge, " and in order for Lee to start feeling and owning his true feelings, someone's going to have to point out to him that laughter is very inappropriate when discussing that your dead niece has been locked in your sister's trunk and allowed to decompose there.

There are many things that I wonder if Mallory has said to him in private, She would be the only one to be able to tell him this with impact. The prosectutors don't seem to get into the demeanor of the deponent so much, even Morgan got at them more on that level than LDB did.

Anyway, if he is happy at his job and can come to be a good provider for Mallory and a family someday, he'll gain a lot of strength and confidence.

The whole wife (MP) vs. mother (CA) is a whole other ball of family dynamic waxiness that LA will get to enjoy in the future-Good luck, Mal!

 

[Nore]

Since the A's have no ability to distinguish between reasonable and unreasonable conclusions, I think they would say that the Bad Guy (Jesse??) wanted them to THINK Caylee was dead so they would stop looking for her, so they dumped the remains of another child (perhaps the results of one of RG's religious rituals as imagined by CA??) near Casey's house after using Jesse's spare key (never really accounted for, because Casey said she retrieved it from Jesse and gave it to Zanny, but if Zanny IS Jesse, then...) to obtain a few things from the house to plant nearby to make it look like Caylee.

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I think if possible,since they dont believe the remains are Caylee they should be made to return them til further tests are done.I THINK the authorities still have a femur bone from Caylee. I could be wrong.A person cannot claim someone elses remains as far as I know.

 

[countzero]

Thinking back on this, I would have liked to have heard Aston ask LA about the comment he made to KC in jail; "is this like the last time" and what he meant by that.

 

[RR0004]

Yeah, in terms of the squirrel thing... If we assume that the squirrel explanation is 100% false, then we can ask why she picked that as an explanation for the smell. I think my point ended up being somewhat convoluted, but what I was trying to say can be expressed in this fictional account of Casey's internal monologue.

Casey's head:
"Well crap, Lee is asking why the car smells. And it stinks because there was a dead body in it. But I'm not gonna tell him that, ha. Ok, I'll tell him something that seems believable. Ok, what's stinky like a 2.6 days of dead-body-stank but doesn't put me in jail? Hmm, how about rotting engine-heated squirrels? I bet that's similar. Yeah, that's the ticket."

So my proposition is that you would only make up something like the squirrel story if you were trying to cover up the fact that it was something else rotting and of animal origin. Thus, clearly she was trying to cover up that it was something else rotting and of animal origin.

Or, maybe it's just that trash or rotting foliage or food or skunk wouldn't have been remotely believable. And, actually, maybe one could make the case that if she were trying to cover up that she had a body in there, she wouldn't have said anything remotely similar to a dead body, because that would be too obvious, and she's not that dumb.

Or, maybe I'm over thinking this.

Well if Cindy can think pizza I guess it only makes sense that Casey can think squirrel. (Not really...nothing either one has said has ever made sense to me.)

 

[tasylshari]

I just wanted to say thanks to all of you that actually made it all the way through LA's deposition. I'm being brutally honest when I tell you that I made it to page 29 and could not stand another inappropriate (laughs) or "like" or "you know" or "absolutely". Funny because I made it through GA & CA's depos like normal. I just couldn't do Lee's. Thanks for all of your posts and info and for saving me from his linguistic torture :crazy:

 

[MissJames]

I just wanted to say thanks to all of you that actually made it all the way through LA's deposition. I'm being brutally honest when I tell you that I made it to page 29 and could not stand another inappropriate (laughs) or "like" or "you know" or "absolutely". Funny because I made it through GA & CA's depos like normal. I just couldn't do Lee's. Thanks for all of your posts and info and for saving me from his linguistic torture :crazy:

In wish they had redacted all the laughs and you knows.Imagine the SA's having to sit through that and think clearly!

 

[darnudes]

Myspace deletion
Do we know who deleted the myspace stuff between July 3rd and July 15th? We know that TL and KC had the password. Seems feasible that TL did it once he heard what was going on. Or that KC did after she learned that her family was looking for her and Cayee. I feel like there should be hard evidence out there of this kind of thing, whether on MySpace's servers or on any of the relevant people's computers.

Gas cans & shed break-in
Why didn't KC use the keys in the garage to open the shed when she "borrowed" the gas/gas-cans? Lee says they're there for the family to use. (p. 374) (And maybe CA and GA said the same thing -- I don't remember). Did she maybe want to set up TL as somebody who would break into a shed?

Bat-phone rationale
Lee did not mention a fear that they were being bugged or monitored as part of the rationale for using the bat phones, whereas GA and/or CA definitely did. Was Lee holding this back, or did he just not realize that that's what his parents thought?

Seedy friends
Is there other evidence of Amy and the others' involvement w/ heroin and other drug use, than that Lee claimed that DC claimed he found some info?

Lee Denial
Why doesn't Lee even acknowledge or volunteer that it is possible that there was an honest-to-goodness accident with Caylee, and KC is too embarrassed or scared to be truthful? Even if he thinks she couldn't have harmed Caylee intentionally, why is accidental drowning or even backing over her in the car so hard to imagine? Lee agrees that KC is known to lie to avoid getting in trouble or being judged, so why would this be any different?

Blanchard Park story origin
What's the deal? Given Lee's account, I think there might be some issue with the Blanchard Park story and the inconsistency regarding who heard it first and from whom. I think in the parent depos, the line of questioning implied that the lawyers were trying to establish that KC used the story after hearing about it as a possible explanation from somebody else. I thought that KC told Lee first, but Lee says that other people heard it from KC before he did. I'll check the inconsistencies thread for that.

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The myspace stuff was deleted by Casey after Lee went to look for her on 3 July. She deleted stuff from the end of April up to 3 July.

There was deletion on her social accounts later carried out by unknown persons after Casey was found. Could have been Casey or Lee but really no proof to say it was Tony.

We do not know TL had her password, this is the first time I have ever heard this and I know the case pretty well. Could you please post a link where you read this?

 

[Imbackon]

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The myspace stuff was deleted by Casey after Lee went to look for her on 3 July. She deleted stuff from the end of April up to 3 July.

There was deletion on her social accounts later carried out by unknown persons after Casey was found. Could have been Casey or Lee but really no proof to say it was Tony.

We do not know TL had her password, this is the first time I have ever heard this and I know the case pretty well. Could you please post a link where you read this?

Yes, I agree, there has never been anything said about TL knowing KC's password. The only people who made that claim were the Anthonys when Cindy talked about the Timer55 password, and I think Rico234 or something like that.

 

[darnudes]

I heard in Lee's depo in the Zenaida case (I think) say that Jesse knew the timer55 password but John Morgan never let him go into it.

 

[Friday]

I posted the page number for the pic in GA-182, he identifies the child as Caylee!

LA and GA identify it as a picture of Caylee! woot. score.

Forgive me for needing to ask this, but why is it an important good thing that all 3 of the A's identified Caylee in that photo wearing that "Big Trouble" pink shirt??

I've just completed GA's and CA's depo, and I must be brain dead from that.

Can't wait for y'all to give me something to feel good about. LOL.

 

[Friday]

Yes she is, and they put a chink in the armor of the battle ship without even knowing it~ I'm so impressed with this SA I could just bust!

I left you posts on each of the three depo threads :blowkiss:

All three identified this picture as Caylee

I think the SA just connected the living child with the lettering found at the crime scene?

Did you see how off hand and seemingly nonchalant the SA was in showing this picture to each? They never saw it coming.

Help me, Kat--anybody--Why is this such a great thing? I'm clearly desperate for anything really encouraging to come out of these mind-numbing depos.

 

[texaslb218]

Help me, Kat--anybody--Why is this such a great thing? I'm clearly desperate for anything really encouraging to come out of these mind-numbing depos.

Me too, Friday, but I was too shy to ask. I was just gonna lurk until someone commented on it. Thanks for sticking your neck out.

 

[Friday]

LOL

And if they were sat down in front of me, I'd continue with:
And who the hell's ashes do you have around your neck and wrist?

:clap:.........:floorlaugh:.........:banghead:

 

[jandkmom]

Forgive me for needing to ask this, but why is it an important good thing that all 3 of the A's identified Caylee in that photo wearing that "Big Trouble" pink shirt??

I've just completed GA's and CA's depo, and I must be brain dead from that.

Can't wait for y'all to give me something to feel good about. LOL.

I think that it is because that all 3 of them are making claims that they don't even believe that Caylee is deceased, and the SA is just showing more proof that those were Caylee's clothes and they were found with Caylee's body.

 

[jandkmom]

LOL

And if they were sat down in front of me, I'd continue with:
And who the hell's ashes do you have around your neck and wrist?

It reminds me of GA saying that the body that had been in the back of KC's trunk was not his granddaughter. Then whose body did he think it was?

 

[Phumi]

I think that it is because that all 3 of them are making claims that they don't even believe that Caylee is deceased, and the SA is just showing more proof that those were Caylee's clothes and they were found with Caylee's body.

I think somewhere along the line there was also a claim that Caylee didn't have a shirt like that, so it must have been put on her by the killer--Zanny.
This pic. shows that she did indeed have that shirt.

ETA--and it was put on her by her killer...KC!

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

Forgive me for needing to ask this, but why is it an important good thing that all 3 of the A's identified Caylee in that photo wearing that "Big Trouble" pink shirt??

I've just completed GA's and CA's depo, and I must be brain dead from that.

Can't wait for y'all to give me something to feel good about. LOL.

As Phumi said it prevents them from denying that Caylee had a shirt like that. But it's also important that all three say they have never seen this picture before. This admission pretty well eliminates them as having sold the pic to the Globe. It would be a horrible task to try to explain why Casey would choose a picture of Caylee dressed in the same shirt she was buried with to the highest bidder. Talk about public outcry!!! I think SA is narrowing the field of possible sources of the picture. And it's looking worse and worse for Casey. moo

 

[cecybeans]

As Phumi said it prevents them from denying that Caylee had a shirt like that. But it's also important that all three say they have never seen this picture before. This admission pretty well eliminates them as having sold the pic to the Globe. It would be a horrible task to try to explain why Casey would choose a picture of Caylee dressed in the same shirt she was buried with to the highest bidder. Talk about public outcry!!! I think SA is narrowing the field of possible sources of the picture. And it's looking worse and worse for Casey. moo

Maybe it's just me, but I don't think a corroborated "admission" from those three would prove anything.

All that garbage about "oh, I was too tired to read through all the discovery" and "I only read a couple of interviews" and "I didn't have a chance to look at that" is a total crock, imo. What else do these people have to do all night, every night. Talk? They are prepping for trial. It's obvious.