2009.08.05 State Deposition of George Anthony

[Just Jayla]

I only had a chance to skim through most of these documents and threads, but it really strikes me how little respect these deponents/witnesses have for the entire criminal justice system.

They are swearing, under oath, to God, that they are telling the truth. Depositions are SERIOUS! Do they not fear God?

Even if they don't have any respect for the system, that while it isn't perfect, keeps us safe - they should at least have a little respect for the baby at the center of this that all of these wonderful law enforcement officers are working to avenge!

And GA has previously taken an oath to uphold the law and protect & serve the citizens as a uniformed officer. Civility-they utterly lack civility and a sense of their place and duties (yes God engendered duties, as well as legal duties) to society (and their grand daughter).

 

[whiteangora]

That's a point, but I always thought it would have taken place earlier anyway. KC came home about 8:30 pm or so, plenty of time to have fought with her mom before GA got in at around 11:30 or so.

I just don't see why having her and Caylee sleeping in the same bed, as in the original story, wouldn't have supported the same "no-fight" theory. It is baffling me. Also why CA cut the part about hearing them breathe. It's almost like they don't want to admit she was even there, in stark contrast to their earlier claims (and to specific computer activiity, if not general-area pings).

Just the thought of little Caylee sleeping in Casey's bed (alone) doesn't sound right. They were trying to convert her from crib to bed and her crib was convertible, wouldn't she have preferred being in her own bed?

 

[Imbackon]

I believe all of the A's stated in the recently released depos that they have not had not received any letters from KC, from JB.

Well, that's a lie. See page 6 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1677910/Cindy-Anthony-Cell-Phone

Hope you see this, but you should put this on the EVIDENCE THREAD.
Good catch, yes another lie.

 

[Just Jayla]

Please forgive me if this has been discussed here. I am challenged with just getting the depos read, much less the excellent commentary.

I am wondering what the big strategy here is with GA (and also CA) NOT verifying that KC was home the night of the 15th. GA says he saw Caylee sleeping on KC's bed in this depo, but could not verify he saw KC. He also adds that he gave Caylee breakfast (a loose end that many asked about, but after the public inquired, I find that immaterial).

Also, CA departs from her earlier story about "hearing them breathing" before she went to work and indicates she left earlier.

We know they have all been coached big time for this; I'm just wondering how this would fit into some defense strategy? What possible benefit would the defense have for GA not being able to verify KC's presence in the house that night?

Let's say KC left on the 15th, without their knowledge-That means the facts of KC's whereabouts and what she was doing are out of CA's spin control, and might open up new questions from the state-Questions about which the answers scare CA.

So, CA pretends to be sure they were there o the morning of the 16th, giving KC an alibi for that night and they don't have to lose control of their set of facts, don't have to speculate about the 15th/16th overnight period.

CA does not claim to have actually seen them on the 16th, so that really leaves GA as the ultimate manipulator. Problem with my theory is that GA would have had to go along with it, and it doesn't make sense that he would tell the cops he smelled human decomp in one breathe, then lie about the date in another, so maybe I am off and it's something more tangible.

 

[Amil]

I believe all of the A's stated in the recently released depos that they have not had not received any letters from KC, from JB.

Well, that's a lie. See page 6 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1677910/Cindy-Anthony-Cell-Phone

Good catch!!

 

[cecybeans]

Let's say KC left on the 15th, without their knowledge-That means the facts of KC's whereabouts and what she was doing are out of CA's spin control, and might open up new questions from the state-Questions about which the answers scare CA.

So, CA pretends to be sure they were there o the morning of the 16th, giving KC an alibi for that night and they don't have to lose control of their set of facts, don't have to speculate about the 15th/16th overnight period.

CA does not claim to have actually seen them on the 16th, so that really leaves GA as the ultimate manipulator. Problem with my theory is that GA would have had to go along with it, and it doesn't make sense that he would tell the cops he smelled human decomp in one breathe, then lie about the date in another, so maybe I am off and it's something more tangible.

Well, maybe CA and GA were doing that in response to LP's claims that KC was seen in some motel parking lot - giving them denability as to her whereabouts the night of the 15th. There is some dead time between 3 or 4 and the calls made to her cellphone from the house. Maybe she sneaked out and spent the night elsewhere.

I agree with whiteangora that it would be too weird to have Caylee in KC's bed (unless KC left through the window or something and they were together earlier).

I just hate hashing all this CYA stuff out and wondering what possible use it might have.

 

[Just Jayla]

Well, maybe CA and GA were doing that in response to LP's claims that KC was seen in some motel parking lot - giving them denability as to her whereabouts the night of the 15th. There is some dead time between 3 or 4 and the calls made to her cellphone from the house. Maybe she sneaked out and spent the night elsewhere.

I agree with whiteangora that it would be too weird to have Caylee in KC's bed (unless KC left through the window or something and they were together earlier).

I just hate hashing all this CYA stuff out and wondering what possible use it might have.

Ah yes, you found the angle I missed-rather than not knowing what happened on the 15th, CA mayknow something could have happened, enough for her to go into typical cover-up mode.

I don't believe GA's statement that he saw Caylee in that bed alone, I believe what he told investigators last summer:

Go to minute 10:05....

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Sideba...o_recordings_released_by_law_enforcement.html

 

[lizzysf]

Ah yes, you found the angle I missed-rather than not knowing what happened on the 15th, CA mayknow something could have happened, enough for her to go into typical cover-up mode.

I don't believe GA's statement that he saw Caylee in that bed alone, I believe what he told investigators last summer:

Go to minute 10:05....

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Sideba...o_recordings_released_by_law_enforcement.html

Which video?:waitasec:

 

[Jolynna]

Please forgive me if this has been discussed here. I am challenged with just getting the depos read, much less the excellent commentary.

I am wondering what the big strategy here is with GA (and also CA) NOT verifying that KC was home the night of the 15th. GA says he saw Caylee sleeping on KC's bed in this depo, but could not verify he saw KC. He also adds that he gave Caylee breakfast (a loose end that many asked about, but after the public inquired, I find that immaterial).

Also, CA departs from her earlier story about "hearing them breathing" before she went to work and indicates she left earlier.

We know they have all been coached big time for this; I'm just wondering how this would fit into some defense strategy? What possible benefit would the defense have for GA not being able to verify KC's presence in the house that night?

BBM

I am not sure. There is a lot of evidence that KC was there.

From the Casey timeline thread here's KC's phone and computer records:

Originally Posted by BondJamesBond
FWIW...some info to use in lining up theories 'bout what happened 6/15...

Respectfully snipped...

@ 7:10PM Casey already enroute & unprompted, calls G&C's Hopespring home phone for a 1 minute conversation or answering machine message.

@ 7:36PM Casey arrived @ G&C's Hopespring home.

...between 7:06PM and 9:26PM Casey is engaged in a continuous texting conversation w/ Tony (and a little w/ Amy). The single greatest lapse between their texts was 11minutes @ 8:56 w/ most of them in the 2 minute range.

@ 9:26PM a period of cell inactivity lasting 39minutes begins. (IMHO, this seems to be a good candidate for "the fight")

@ 10:06PM Casey ends the cell inactivity after receiving a text from Tony by placing a call to Tony and talking w/ him for 10minutes (IMHO, this also would seem to be indicative of the fight having just taken place)

@ 10:25PM the heavy texting between Casey and Tony resumes for the balance of the night...with a 40minute break @ 11PM.

Respectfully snipped...

Originally Posted by Shadow of my mind:

Respectfully snipped...
8:14PM- 10:43PM
INCOMING TEXT 8:14 PM .
INCOMING TEXT 8:14 PM From Amy H. To Casey A..
UNKNOWN 8:14 PM From Casey A. To Tony L.
OUTGOING TEXT 8:19 PM From Casey A. To Tony L
INCOMING TEXT 8:21 PM From Tony L. To Casey A.
OUTGOING TEXT 8:23 PM From Casey A. To Tony L
OUTGOING TEXT 8:33 PM From Casey A. To Tony L
INCOMING TEXT 8:40 PM From Tony L. To Casey A
OUTGOING CALL 8:48 PM From Casey A. To Unknown
INCOMING TEXT 8:51 PM From Tony L. To Casey A
INCOMING TEXT 8:53 PM From Tony L. To Casey A
OUTGOING TEXT 8:54 PM From Casey A. To Tony L
INCOMING TEXT 8:56 PM From Tony L. To Casey A
OUTGOING TEXT 9:07 PM From Casey A. To Tony L
INCOMING TEXT 9:08 PM From Tony L. To Casey A
OUTGOING TEXT 9:10 PM short number text? From Casey A.
INCOMING TEXT 9:16 PM From Tony L. To Casey A
OUTGOING TEXT 9:25 PM From Casey A. To Tony L
INCOMING TEXT 9:26 PM From Tony L. To Casey A
INCOMING TEXT 9:26 PM From Tony L. To Casey A
INCOMING TEXT 10:43 PM From Tony L. To Casey A

Not much time that evening for KC to bathe Caylee and tuck her into the bed as Cindy described. Not much time to watch Desperate Housewives with Cindy either.

Originally Posted by ElizaAvalon:
A few interesting things about June 16th:

1. the first call of the morning (after texting and talking to Tony all night long until 3:22 am) is at 7:45:51 - a call from the Anthony house phone that she lets go to voicemail.

2. if you look at the pings, it seems that Casey is at her parents' home until 4:25 when she drives to Tony's house. But didn't her father say that she left the house at noon? If that's the case, she didn't go very far. She may have just drove around the block until her father left for work and then went back to the house.

3. From 4:25 on it looks like she drives to Tony's and stays there as the pings are consistent and there are no texts to or from him for the rest of the day.
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Throughout all of those texts and calls, KC was pinging from the Anthony house. On June 16, by 7:30 a.m. KC was checking her phone messages, calling Tony and instant messaging with witeplayboi. She also downloaded a picture of Fusian onto the Anthony computer in the spare room.

Computer and forensic evidence put KC in the Anthony house that morning and the night before.

 

[Just Jayla]

Which video?:waitasec:

Sorry, I posted the link about two seconds after I closed the initial reply You are just too quick!


ETA-And your avatar is adorable! I hope you don't miss this edit

 

[MD MOMMY]

BBM

I am not sure. There is a lot of evidence that KC was there.

From the Casey timeline thread here's KC's phone and computer records:

Not much time that evening for KC to bathe Caylee and tuck her into the bed as Cindy described. Not much time to watch Desperate Housewives with Cindy either.


Throughout all of those texts and calls, KC was pinging from the Anthony house. On June 16, by 7:30 a.m. KC was checking her phone messages, calling Tony and instant messaging with witeplayboi. She also downloaded a picture of Fusian onto the Anthony computer in the spare room.

Computer and forensic evidence put KC in the Anthony house that morning and the night before.

I guess a good question for CA would have been "did you watch the entire episode of Desperate Houswives with Casey?" "Was she texting at all during the show?"

 

[Woe.be.gone]

This tape may also have been used to put up Caylee posters after they found out Caylee was "missing"- according to media pictures of Caylee posters with the Henkel tape-so they could have finished the roll and tossed the core at Publix/elsewhere.

But that would not link it to the A house conclusively as other peeps put posters up too, etc. LE tried to find the owner of that role of tape. If the same tape was found in use around the A house it would help prove the role had come from their house versus one of the friend's houses or someplace else.
Yes, the roll could have been used up hanging posters.

 

[lizzysf]

Sorry, I posted the link about two seconds after I closed the initial reply You are just too quick!


ETA-And your avatar is adorable! I hope you don't miss this edit

Your Avidog is a beauty too! Thanks.. My BT Jack.
I looked on the link you posted and can't figure out which video to watch..there are many. Help!

 

[cecybeans]

I realize that we know KC's whereabouts from pinging and computer signatures, but I was wondering if CA and GA were perhaps going on older info. There is some reason they changed their stories from the original and are now denying they saw her. I'm just trying for the life of me to figure out the angle and the strategy - why they needed to back out of their original observations.

 

[OneLostGrl]

:waitasec: Could it be? What a convenient condition to have while you're involved in a criminal case concerning your daughter (kidding of course). Wait a minute, KC did claim that her Dad had "almost" suffered a "small" stroke which is why she couldn't keep her date with AH that day to help her get her new car. :waitasec: (It gets me that one can almost suffer a "small stroke" - KC must not hate her Dad that much - ha!)

LOL

I know.. can you imagine the story she'd have made up if she was using a fake medical emergency for Cindy as her excuse?

 

[OneLostGrl]

Let's say KC left on the 15th, without their knowledge-That means the facts of KC's whereabouts and what she was doing are out of CA's spin control, and might open up new questions from the state-Questions about which the answers scare CA.

So, CA pretends to be sure they were there o the morning of the 16th, giving KC an alibi for that night and they don't have to lose control of their set of facts, don't have to speculate about the 15th/16th overnight period.

CA does not claim to have actually seen them on the 16th, so that really leaves GA as the ultimate manipulator. Problem with my theory is that GA would have had to go along with it, and it doesn't make sense that he would tell the cops he smelled human decomp in one breathe, then lie about the date in another, so maybe I am off and it's something more tangible.

bold is mine-

The breathes were taken when Cindy was not in the room to hear what poor George was saying to LE. kwim?

 

[OneLostGrl]

Please forgive me if this has been discussed here. I am challenged with just getting the depos read, much less the excellent commentary.

I am wondering what the big strategy here is with GA (and also CA) NOT verifying that KC was home the night of the 15th. GA says he saw Caylee sleeping on KC's bed in this depo, but could not verify he saw KC. He also adds that he gave Caylee breakfast (a loose end that many asked about, but after the public inquired, I find that immaterial).

Also, CA departs from her earlier story about "hearing them breathing" before she went to work and indicates she left earlier.

We know they have all been coached big time for this; I'm just wondering how this would fit into some defense strategy? What possible benefit would the defense have for GA not being able to verify KC's presence in the house that night?

IMO? They seem to be trying to distance themselves from Casey's activities (whatever they may have been) that evening and early the next morning.

 

[AlwaysShocked]

I've read CA and GA's depositions. Don't know if I can handle LA's!

A couple of things:

I actually have a close relative who suffered Total Global Amnesia after the sudden, traumatic death of her husband.
It is rare but it is a very real condition. She has never regained her memory of certain events that took place that day. And I was THERE and speaking to her throughout the time that she had the condition. We (family members) thought it might have been related to a spike in blood pressure, but by the time we realized somethin really, really strange was going on and got her in for medical treatment, the blood pressure was not all that high. A little, but not greatly.

About George and his employablility: I find it to be extremely strange that George was and remains "underemployed". This is a man who claims a 4 year college degree (and whose grammer does not reflect that at all!) and who had a solid background in law enforcement in Ohio. He states that he went into the Orlando Police Dept. when they moved to Florida. I assume he applied for a postion?
Would he not have the exact qualities they would want? I can see takin a job as a security guard temporarily, if the police dept. was not hiring at the time. But he NEVER became an officer again anywhere?

Something hinky there, in my opinion.

Also, there was a jailhouse conversation he had with KC where he was referring to something he had done in the past. What was he referring to? He said he had never been arrested. But this would be something KC knew about if he was bringing it up to her.

Wonder if the split between him and CA was not about him losing money to gambling or a Nigerian prince, but was more about online or other women?

I agree, having a two month old baby in the house is when you want MORE involved hands, not less. And CA was working full time. So, really bad timing to kick hubby-who-was-so-thrilled-to-be-a-grandpa out.

In the overall, it is so obvious that that both of these folks have told so many different versions of "the story" over so much time, that at this point they can't remember what they said to whom. So in some ways when GA says "I don't remember" he may have himself so befuddled by what he is "supposed to say now" vs. "what he was supposed to say then" that he is genuinely confused.

I think:

1.) Something happened in George's past that later precluded him from being hired as a legitimate law enforcement officer. (Not that there is anything wrong with being a Security Guard by it is not the same as bein a Police Officer and the pay is a lot less also.

2.) George got caught doing something when Caylee was two months old. Something that enraged Cindy enough to immediately kick him out of the house. It was not a planned split if he had to go and live with his PARENTS in another city.
And whatever it was, KC knew about it, that's for sure.

 

[whiteangora]

Better picture of the gas can photo that they were showing George. This is the exhibit that he was shown where he insists he would have not have applied the tape in the way that it is applied.

*Thanks to MuzikMan for going and getting color photos of these.*

Is there any way to clear up that pic so we could see the edges of the tape? My thanks to MM as always.

 

[bananarama]

Texas Mist, I had posted a response to you about the picture of Caylee in the pink Big Trouble tee shirt on the LA thread (LA had identified that picture as Caylee in his deposition)

I found where GA is presented the picture during his depo.

The exhibit is number 9 and it is discussed on page 182.

When GA is shown the picture he says Line 8 "Yeah that's a picture of Caylee"

Even though he denies that this is the same pink shirt that he saw Caylee in the last day she was seen by him, he testifies that it was another pink shirt, he does identify the child in the shirt that has lettering matching that found at the crime scene as Caylee.

Score one for the SA, that was so subtle I almost missed it

I haven't finished the thread yet, so forgive if someone already stated this. This further supports the SA's theory that Caylee was INTENTIONALLY placed in the "trouble" t-shirt. She wasn't wearing it when she left the house!