2009.08.07 Document Release

[Intermezzo]

The first picture of the area in the video doesn't show the thickness of the woods down there, IMO. It makes it look like there is actually space between trees without vegetation and that's not the case...very thick woods down there !

I agree, the area(especially in the summer) would be very thick with growth of shrubs etc...

 

[SeriouslySearching]

http://www.wesh.com/slideshow/news/20316093/detail.html

Sure looks like Caylee to me! (I have not seen that photo either and it is very disturbing.) It definitely is a good match to the t-shirt on the website when you compare the letter placement and size.

I knew when they kept saying her shirt said, "Big trouble comes small" that they were wrong. Even my own kid had one of those shirts from their grands over 20 some years ago.

 

[travelgal]

Here is the entire forensics report...41 pages -Final Report

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/0619forensic6551-6591redacted.pdf

I wonder what DR Lee and team will come up with now? Seems all of their claims have been disproven if I am interpreting the reports correctly. Seems that the State and their magnificent team have been very thorough!

 

[MyTinkieGirl]

BBM
Pinene and Limonene are the terpins that Leonard talked about several times on the NG Show. He said the terpins on the Pontiac would match the area where Caylee was dumped.

AND....both Pinene and Limonene are the terpenes one would find present in many essential oils, but at an especially larger amount in the essential oils of citrus fruits...and pine oil.....like as in Orange Glo, Pine Sol, etc....CLEANERS....which would have high quantities of these oils because they ARE good cleaning agents.
I still have a feeling KC tried to mask the smell by throwing something in the trunk....maybe the gas she was asking everyone for, or just got some strong smelling cleaners to try to mask the scent in the trunk....like the two I mentioned....therefore could be why they found these terpenes present.
From my experience, I can't imagine why the evaluating scientist didn't think of those compounds possibly coming from the essential oils in cleaners. I don't think the amounts from other sources would be that evident from GC/MS analysis. Although, I don't know the amounts of these compounds he found.
IIRC...didn't one of the many search groups say they found a bag of cleaning products and no one was really interested in them??

 

[Devon]

Has anyone seen the emails referred to here, including those apparently from Bluestar Forensics and a researcher from Oak Ridge? I've seen this mentioned in the media reports posted today but no links to this discovery. Were they released in error perhaps?
http://wdbo.com/localnews/2009/08/new-casey-anthony-documents-re.html

 

[Gnatcatcher]

I found all the text reports bothersome to read, as they were one sided and jumped dates a bunch. But, in the AH text reports Part 2 (http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20317602/detail.html), on page 23 there is an entry from 5/6/08 that says "Uh, ok? It was my ticket."

but I can't figure out from all the other entries what that's in reference to. I think those are Casey's texts to Amy, is that right? I will go look at when those traffic tickets from early May were, the ones for Amy and ZG22, but my husband just pulled in the driveway and I gotta run, just wanted to throw that out there real quick

 

[maureenv]

:waitasec: I still do not understand. So close to the road where people walk their dogs and so fourth and nobody found Caylee before Dec. And when the calls came in from RK they were pretty much ignored, not just by LE but everyone that knew about them. This is JMO...I just don't understand why this poor baby was not found sooner..she was right there and 6 inches of water here and there would not of hid the smell or the body for the whole 6 months she was missing. It was not flooded in that are the whole time.:furious:

I am originally from NY, but live in FL now. These "conservation" areas are everywhere. The way it appears in pictures is deceiving. When standing near one, whether dry or flooded, you can barely see anything in there. It's very dark and thick with brush. There are also creepy things in there, so typically people don't go near them. I was at this lot in June (my Aunt in NY was down and wanted to see everything). I'll try to give a good visual description... There's the road...then 12 ft.-ish of grass..then it's like a wall of dark trees, brush, and swampy yuckiness.

What truly enlightened me was...according to the maps, the A's house seemed like a bit away. I was quite surprised at actually how close it actually is from their house. Like around the corner, walking distance. I will also confess that we drove by the A's house and George was outside watering the grass. He seemed very sad and deep in thought. I really did feel horrible for him.

 

[impatientredhead]

That has puzzled me from the beginning of this case when TES was calling off the search due to the water. There were many fellow WS'ers wondering the same thing.

Probably already answered but draining an area like the one she was found in has a very high probability of damaging or destroying evidence. In an area that will drain on it's own it is not generally considered worth the risk.

 

[impatientredhead]

I know. I am just wondering where they got that from. Ten days...ten days Caylee was in the trunk? Not saying it is true...but darn it is at least what three of us have read.

Ten days would put us on the 26th, the day she ran out of gas and Tony came to get her? The disposal of the body has always struck as something done spur of the moment and out of necessity. Interesting....

 

[MyTinkieGirl]

Ok A Light bullb just went off in my head. I've been confused abt the Pizza found/not found in the car. The way i understand it is there was no pizza from the Pizza Box, but there was a small plastic-wrapped individual pizza which was open. The unwrapped pizza was tested and found to produce aerobic bacteria which means it did not contribute to the anaerobic decomp event(?).

pg 2
http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0807/20317133.pdf



pic #34, small pizza on top of pizza box(?):
http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/080709anthonydiscoveryphotos/1/lg/garbage_1.htm

sorry if already posted today-have to act when the synapses fire!

Actually...read down on the next page of the first link...it says they were initially mistaken and there was no pizza in the trunk...but they did an experiment with it anyways.
The 2nd link picture of the aluminum foil and yellow looking colors is maybe what I think is an old crumpled Velveeta box??? IMO

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Originally Posted by whiteangora
BBM
Pinene and Limonene are the terpins that Leonard talked about several times on the NG Show. He said the terpins on the Pontiac would match the area where Caylee was dumped.

AND....both Pinene and Limonene are the terpenes one would find present in many essential oils, but at a good amount in the essential oils of citrus fruits...and pine oil.....like as in Orange Glo, Pine Sol....CLEANERS....which would have high quantities of these oils because they ARE good cleaning agents.
I still have a feeling KC tried to mask the smell by throwing something in the trunk....maybe the gas she was asking everyone for, or just got some strong smelling cleaners to try to mask the scent in the trunk....like the two I mentioned....therefore could be why they found these terpenes IIRC...didn't one of the many search groups say they found a bag of cleaning products and no one was really interested in them??

I believe what LP was talking about was finding it on the outside of the vehicle...not the inside.

 

[whiteangora]

I believe what LP was talking about was finding it on the outside of the vehicle...not the inside.

Yes, I'm pretty sure that's what he meant, and that seemed to be what the Oak Ridge researcher was alluding to as well.

 

[Gma Kat]

This isn't an "I was right" thing, it just doesn't surprise me at all. I said a long time ago if Caylee was ever found, I would lay all kinds of money down it would be very close to a road, and not buried. IMO, Casey was going to take the easiest way possible, and that is exactly what she did.
Lanie

I remember reading your post Lanie and it's creepy the way the 3D allows one to recreate the moment.....ugh

 

[AZlawyer]

I found all the text reports bothersome to read, as they were one sided and jumped dates a bunch. But, in the AH text reports Part 2 (http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20317602/detail.html), on page 23 there is an entry from 5/6/08 that says "Uh, ok? It was my ticket."

but I can't figure out from all the other entries what that's in reference to. I think those are Casey's texts to Amy, is that right? I will go look at when those traffic tickets from early May were, the ones for Amy and ZG22, but my husband just pulled in the driveway and I gotta run, just wanted to throw that out there real quick

That was a text from Casey to Amy about Casey getting "sick" and wanting Amy to take her ticket to go see a concert (in Tampa, IIRC). Amy eventually went, but when she initially asked the "boys" about taking Casey's place, they said she would have to wait and see if someone else was going. Casey apparently was irritated that they invited someone else first, when it was HER ticket to begin with. (I doubt she paid for it, though. )

Meanwhile, Casey was IM'ing Tony the Cop (the "other") Tony claiming that she was waiting for Zani to get back into town (from Tampa also, I think) to watch Caylee so she could go visit him.

 

[njustice]

I still have a feeling KC tried to mask the smell by throwing something in the trunk....maybe the gas she was asking everyone for, or just got some strong smelling cleaners to try to mask the scent in the trunk....l

I agree with the masking theory as well. Didn't AL say in one of the police interviews that KC had actually taken some of their garbage bags (full of trash) and left it in her car and they found that to be bizarre because they couldn't figure out why she'd do that?

 

[Gma Kat]

Probably already answered but draining an area like the one she was found in has a very high probability of damaging or destroying evidence. In an area that will drain on it's own it is not generally considered worth the risk.

That makes sense, but why do they do it in other situations? It seems that locating a body is perhaps important enough to risk destroying evidence? That is a tough call. If my child were missing I would want the ocean drained regardless of destroying evidence, simply because the wondering and waiting would kill me. But I guess they know what they are doing and hopefully enough evidence was discovered that will point to and convict the murderer...

 

[Gma Kat]

I agree with the masking theory as well. Didn't AL say in one of the police interviews that KC had actually taken some of their garbage bags (full of trash) and left it in her car and they found that to be bizarre because they couldn't figure out why she'd do that?

bbm: That is interesting. No matter how much I think I have read about this case and no matter how many doc dumps I review I still learn new things! Thanks!

 

[MissJames]

I don't know if she was in the trunk for sure but IMO Casey's reaction :argue: to keep George from going into the trunk of the Pontiac to get tire wedges on June 24 is a RED FLAG to me and that perhaps Caylee was in the trunk, double bagged and placed in a laundry bag.

I have wondered if KC put Caylee in the trunk wrapped just in the blanket.Once the smell started maybe she bagged her then in the trash bags / laundry bag.That would explain why there was decomp from 2.6 days.
I have no clue when she dumped her.I bet LE and the SA have some idea. KC keeping GA away from the trunk could have been due to the smell,or the gas cans . I just don't know : (

 

[impatientredhead]

That makes sense, but why do they do it in other situations? It seems that locating a body is perhaps important enough to risk destroying evidence? That is a tough call. If my child were missing I would want the ocean drained regardless of destroying evidence, simply because the wondering and waiting would kill me. But I guess they know what they are doing and hopefully enough evidence was discovered that will point to and convict the murderer...

My *guess* is that they weigh in each case how much evidence they have already (ie what they can risk), how small/delicate/decayed the body they are looking for would be (a one day old body not likely to be highly damaged by draining.... child's skeletal remains much higher risk).

That and they had no solid evidence that the body was there. There was standing water all over the place, you could point to 9 other areas within a half mile of the house that would make as much sense as this one. If Casey had confessed and said the body was there they probably would have drained it. MOO

 

[impatientredhead]

I agree with the masking theory as well. Didn't AL say in one of the police interviews that KC had actually taken some of their garbage bags (full of trash) and left it in her car and they found that to be bizarre because they couldn't figure out why she'd do that?

My recollection is that when the police showed him pictures of items from the trunk and confirmed that it was a bag of trash from his apartment that he expressed then that he was baffled as to why she would have taken a bag of trash from the apartment and kept in her trunk. Not that he knew she was taking bags and storing them.