2009.08.07 Document Release

[SeriouslySearching]

I have wondered if KC put Caylee in the trunk wrapped just in the blanket.Once the smell started maybe she bagged her then in the trash bags / laundry bag.That would explain why there was decomp from 2.6 days.
I have no clue when she dumped her.I bet LE and the SA have some idea. KC keeping GA away from the trunk could have been due to the smell,or the gas cans . I just don't know : (

I think Casey originally put her wrapped in the blanket inside the trash bags in the backyard then used the laundry hamper to move her to the car when she found the bags "dripping" a bit (which would also account for the hits in the yard and the trunk).

I don't believe GA's story about the gas cans, the wedge, yada yada anymore than I believe his story about the 16th.

 

[MyTinkieGirl]

Yes, I'm pretty sure that's what he meant, and that seemed to be what the Oak Ridge researcher was alluding to as well.

I was under the assumption that the Oak Ridge lab was evaluating the carpet samples and the results of the air samples from INSIDE the trunk.

God bless his heart, but I can't tell what LP is talking about sometimes....he probably meant the outside, since IIRC, he also talked about "scratches" on the hood or trunk, as well. But I'm almost sure Oak Ridge was evaluating samples from inside the trunk....I can't imagine what the sample from the outside of the car would be that they analyzed....nothing you can really get to sample from a scratch that wouldn't come up as paint. IMO

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I was under the assumption that the Oak Ridge lab was evaluating the carpet samples and the results of the air samples from inside the trunk.

God bless his heart, but I can't tell what LP is talking about sometimes....he probably meant the outside, since IIRC, he also talked about "scratches" on the hood or trunk, as well. But I'm almost sure Oak Ridge was evaluating samples from inside the trunk....I can't imagine what the sample from the outside of the car would be that they analyzed....nothing you can really get to sample from a scratch that wouldn't come up as paint. IMO

Plant spores.

 

[MyTinkieGirl]

Plant spores.

I'll agree to respectfully disagree!! :blowkiss:

Again...this is all IMO. AND, I'm not trying to be rude or contrary. I apologize if I've come off like that.

I guess what I've been trying to say is that...when seeing that those two compounds were found in their analysis data, the most possible or "apparent" source would be either a citrus or pine essential oil, since those terpene compounds he found would possibly be present in a quantity large enough for him to ask about them.
It just seemed, from his question/wording, that he was more focused on "decay" as opposed to the possibility that maybe it was just as simple as KC trying to cover her tracks by making a feeble attempt at a clean up.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I guess I should have put a question mark after that. LOL I was asking if it could be plant spores since we were discussing plant material being found outside the vehicle. It would seem that spores could settle into scratches if they happened prior to moving Caylee's body.

I don't know for sure if the Body Farm does any other work besides decomp, but I assume they do since I saw a show the other night where they were discussing plant and insect infestation in/on cadavers.

 

[MD MOMMY]

Remember in the video visitation KC mentions to CA the hair straightner given to her by Zanny? Does anyone remember when that was? In CA's written statement last AUgust she mentions it. I wonder if she only mentioned it after KC said something? CA seemed confused when KC brought it up to her while in jail. Just wondering.

 

[HRCODEPINK]

I know. I am just wondering where they got that from. Ten days...ten days Caylee was in the trunk? Not saying it is true...but darn it is at least what three of us have read.

I would have to consider it a mistake (but I admit I haven't read about the 10 days) since the decomp value was placed at no longer than 2.6 days in the trunk.

I don't honestly believe she was in the trunk any longer than it took Casey to move her to where she dumped her like garbage.

Sorry! Graphic!
I have not read this yet either, but I have always wondered about the 2.6 days. I have just as much of an idea what happened to Caylee as anyone else other than KC, but I have wondered about this test. Does this test somehow show only 2.6 days because of the decomp itself and the chemicals, or just the amount in the trunk, as if there were leakage from the body that would be consistent with 2.6 days worth in the trunk. The reason I ask is because I have always believed that Caylee died on the night of the 15th, or before evening on the 16th and I really believe that she threw that poor baby from the road as fast as possible on the 24th after the gas can incident. Up to 10 days would fall well within the realm of reality of her dying on the 15th or 16th and being in the trunk until the 24th. And triple bagged that way, I wonder if they are going on amounts of decomp in the trunk, would only 2.6 days worth have leaked from the multiple bags in the car?

As far as driving around that long, I would not put it past KC at all. We have all seen the way she behaves. She has no shame, and a ton of excuses for everything. She was making excuses for days about the smell and I don't remember the exact date, but it was later on, closer to the gas can incident and when she left the car at Amscott that she said that she had an animal stuck to the frame of her uni-body car. She never thought she would be caught. It wouldn't surprise me at this point to find she had her in the car for that amount of time. I have long thought that was the case.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

BBM
Pinene and Limonene are the terpins that Leonard talked about several times on the NG Show. He said the terpins on the Pontiac would match the area where Caylee was dumped.

Dumped or killed? If the terpins were from the trunk, would they not have been there from before Caylee was dumped. Would they rather indicate the place she may have layed briefly prior to being place in the trunk?

Maybe I'm confused as to which report this is. There is a plant exploration thread somewhere here. I remember it was discussed that the terpins could have to do with the Hibiscus from the A's back yard indicating Caylee had been there first.

 

[whiteangora]

I'll agree to respectfully disagree!! :blowkiss:

Again...this is all IMO. AND, I'm not trying to be rude or contrary. I apologize if I've come off like that.

I guess what I've been trying to say is that...when seeing that those two compounds were found in their analysis data, the most possible or "apparent" source would be either a citrus or pine essential oil, since those terpene compounds he found would possibly be present in a quantity large enough for him to ask about them.
It just seemed, from his question/wording, that he was more focused on "decay" as opposed to the possibility that maybe it was just as simple as KC trying to cover her tracks by making a feeble attempt at a clean up.

If you re-read what the Oak Ridge Researcher wrote:

"On a final note, some of the products we have seen include Pinene and Limonene. This could point to a (possibly) shallow marshy area with decaying vegetation. Is there such an area anywhere near where the car was found? Is it possible to get a topo map of the area?"

It is my understanding that the "outside" of the car would be affected by where it had been/parked/driven.These spores would be on the undercarriage and wheel wells. Since he does not specify where he found the Pinene & Limonene I tend to think he's talking about the exterior of the car......just as Leonard has mentioned.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

LOL ... I posted this on the WESH chat. I took it from the evidence spreadsheet I maintain. I was trying to make the point to them that everything they were talking about has already been released.

I'm not caught up - can't go fast enough. Have you noticed anything new? I noticed something weird about the Erica G. phone record. All records indicate dates after KC's arrest except some kind of activity from April 08 until July 08. I don't know how to make sense of it though.

Also LE was interested in some Andy dude, a Cassidy guy and Hall somebody that we have not spent much time discussing here as far as I know.

 

[one_hooah_wife]

If you re-read what the Oak Ridge Researcher wrote:

"On a final note, some of the products we have seen include Pinene and Limonene. This could point to a (possibly) shallow marshy area with decaying vegetation. Is there such an area anywhere near where the car was found? Is it possible to get a topo map of the area?"

It is my understanding that the "outside" of the car would be affected by where it had been/parked/driven.These spores would be on the undercarriage and wheel wells. Since he does not specify where he found the Pinene & Limonene I tend to think he's talking about the exterior of the car......just as Leonard has mentioned.

You know ... they still haven't determined a 'crime scene' that I am aware of ... only a disposal area. Could be related ... or maybe even the primary disposal area? Of course, I would guess that 'shallow marshy area with decaying vegetation' would describe many an area in FL.

 

[nssherlock]

You know ... they still haven't determined a 'crime scene' that I am aware of ... only a disposal area. Could be related ... or maybe even the primary disposal area? Of course, I would guess that 'shallow marshy area with decaying vegetation' would describe many an area in FL.

OT - but just wanted to say how nice to see DH home safe - hopefully to remain out of harms way - with your ADORABLE baby! What a precious family.

 

[NocturnalLady]

Check out pictures 5-9. My gosh. She was practically on the side of the road. I am disgusted. I've read accounts saying this much, but to see it plainly like that is an eye opener.

Proves what I and many others have said for a long time - Casey never went into the woods. She opened up her trunk, pulled out the bag contining Caylee's body, stepped to the edge of the vegetation and just heaved her in.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Ten days would put us on the 26th, the day she ran out of gas and Tony came to get her? The disposal of the body has always struck as something done spur of the moment and out of necessity. Interesting....

Maybe Caylee was placed in the trunk for two and one half days before KC wrapped her well. Maybe then Caylee was still in the trunk but in the canvas, etc. I've not heard 10 days unless there is new evidence I haven't read yet.

 

[MADJGNLAW]

Question's...Thank you in advance for your response. :blowkiss:

Pic 19 Shows a bottle of chloroform. Did they just take a random bottle of chloroform and take a picture of it to put into evidence?

Pic 25 shows evidence of a Grey cloth...have the analysis from that cloth been released?

http://www.wesh.com/slideshow/news/19724912/detail.html

 

[Searchfortruth]

Question's...Thank you in advance for your response. :blowkiss:

Pic 19 Shows a bottle of chloroform. Did they just take a random bottle of chloroform and take a picture of it to put into evidence?

Pic 25 shows evidence of a Grey cloth...have the analysis from that cloth been released?

http://www.wesh.com/slideshow/news/19724912/detail.html

I don't remember ever seeing this picture of the Chloroform bottle...I guess it's just a bottle they decided to use as an example ?

 

[JWG]

I'm not caught up - can't go fast enough. Have you noticed anything new? I noticed something weird about the Erica G. phone record. All records indicate dates after KC's arrest except some kind of activity from April 08 until July 08. I don't know how to make sense of it though.

Also LE was interested in some Andy dude, a Cassidy guy and Hall somebody that we have not spent much time discussing here as far as I know.

The media has not uploaded everything, which is very frustrating. I want to see the emails between Yuri and the Body Farm. Thus far I have not noticed anything new. :doh:

A comment on Andy F. ... he has been discussed here and there. In a nutshell, KC dropped Tony off at the airport on June 30 for his trip to NY. Prior to dropping him off KC had been texting Andy F., and those texts picked up pace after the drop-off and hit a crescendo while KC was at Fusian that evening. After Fusian, KC drove to the Bithlo area where Andy F. lives and spent the night. You can speculate on what they did.

The next morning KC drove from Andy F.'s location to Tony's apartment, spent about 10 minutes there and then called Jesse to ask if she could take a shower at his place. You take it from there... :crazy:

 

[JBean]

be sure to break out interesting information into it's own new thread or bump an existing one on that info.
It's hard to revisit old discussion in the future when it is all mixed together on one thread and this thread will be closed at some point.
Thanks.

 

[mitzi]

I believe what LP was talking about was finding it on the outside of the vehicle...not the inside.

the above was in reference to the terpines.

IIRC, I thought they were found in the wheel wells.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Question's...Thank you in advance for your response. :blowkiss:

Pic 19 Shows a bottle of chloroform. Did they just take a random bottle of chloroform and take a picture of it to put into evidence?

Pic 25 shows evidence of a Grey cloth...have the analysis from that cloth been released?

http://www.wesh.com/slideshow/news/19724912/detail.html

Very good question of which I haven't the answer. Prior to today, I have seen every other picture on that slide show except the one of the chloroform bottle. I haven't run across any docs that list chloroform bottle taken into evidence from A home or KC's car. Why do they take a picture of a chloroform bottle and include it with the slides? Very strange. If it was found among KC's things that would be big. ba hum bug