2009.09.04 Cindy sent D.Casey/Hoover to remains site Addtional VIDEO RELEASED #2

[TallyHo]

On CA's depo Part II she mentions speaking with a Luke P. He described Caylee as having something of comfort with her, like a beige blanket according to CA. He speaks of GL stating that Caylee was alive.

Thanks Lambchop for remembering this. I just went back and read that part of CA's deposition, and WOW... I highly recommend reading (pages 465-473) A few quick highlights before I have to run my son to a golf match:

1) in July Luke calls in tip to LE - says Caylee has been illegally adopted by the Good Shepherd group and is in South Carolina, alive and well.

2)the week after this he calls Cindy and George and tells them that the psychic he works with (a woman, never gives them her name) felt Caylee was alive and had a comfort object with her, probably a blanket. Note - Cindy felt that this tip had credibility because she had just noticed that Caylee's Pooh blanket was missing.

3)Cindy tells this to Det. Allen who tells her that Luke is a crock and had called in different information the week before.

4)Not to be dissuaded by Det. Allen's skepticism, Cindy gives Dominic Luke's contact information, because she is so sure that he is on to something because of the blanket.

5)Must admit a little confusion on my part here - she starts going on about Luke giving them info that Caylee was being held between Jacksonville and New Smyrna (I read this quicky, and don't quite get how this info relates to the last part) and that he speaks of a house near he Amscott with a barking dog and a shed???? Wow, come to find out that Dominic had been surveiling just such a house. (Is this the abandoned house we all know about here??)

6)Sadly though, when Caylee was discovered dead, she called Luke back to ask him about that, since he had said she was alive when she was at the house, but he never called her back.

7)page 473 direct quote from Cindy..... "I had hooked Luke and Mr. Casey up."

 

[LambChop]

Well, TallyHo there were people living in this home that DC was watching. CA seemed to think there was a connection to RM because the family name was Morales, or so CA claims in her depo. The tip was from the psychic about a home near Amscott with a barking dog. That could probably by a description of half the homes in that area. JMO

 

[TotallyObsessed]

I think it is because it is just him trying to protect his clients. I am sure he will have no problem once the Judge says its okay. He may not even have anything to protect them from, just going about the way any business like (tes) or anyone else would. IMO

I believe there is actually no "privilege" between regular people. Only lawyers/clients, clergy/people. Now there is "work product", but not privilege.

 

[TotallyObsessed]

BOMBSHELL!! Take a look at this old interview of GL. She states that DC told her he had trouble seeing what he was looking for in the woods, because there was WATER!! From Dominic's own lips! And this was November, which was relatively much drier that when TM was searching. http://www.wesh.com/video/18472551/index.html

Sorry OT.....but the way that video started, I thought it was filmed at the Ritz Carlton....LOL

 

[cloud9]

Dc was not investigating a murder. He was looking for Caylee. And yes, he is bound to his clients until the Judge overides those legal documents. The Judge may have done that by suggesting an investigative subpoena. Even if so, it does not mean there is anything there. IMO

I'm confused. WHY was DC looking for Caylee in the woods and at the Brackenwood house? CA specifically said she was looking for a "LIVE" Caylee. Why would a "live" Caylee be hanging out in the woods and/or the Brackenwood house alone??? She was a toddler.:waitasec:

 

[Dear Prudence]

Part of my problem is that D Casey and Ginette's time frames do NOT match up. D Casey claims he talked to her for the first time around 8 am. Ginette claimed that she called him much earlier in the am than that. Phone records showed that there was a call at 7 something am. Ginette claims that she told D Casey step by step of where to go. Phone records show that the longest the two talked was 2 minutes during the 9 am hour. 2 mins is not enough time to have someone walk towards a house, go to the end of a chain link fence, take however many steps she told him to take and then look around for the pavers and ultimately Caylee. It just does NOT add up.

Cindy may have tried to back track from saying that she sent "her people" there to that area of the woods but Lee told on her anyway. In Lee's depo he was ticked that mom had sent someone out to look for a DECEASED Caylee since it was the family's position that she was still alive and that no one should be thinking otherwise. Or perhaps she was in on some big conspiracy along with the Anthony's and Dominic.

D Casey is either extremely blind or Hoover is extremely sneaky. How does one not know that you are being recorded on video when you turn around and LOOK at the person recording you? If D Casey really, truly did not know then he needs to look for a new profession. Hoover had little contact with the family, D Casey had extended contact with the family. With the family and all of their "mistruths" it makes more sense to me to believe Hoover. A family of liars is always going to go for a person who is more in line with their own beliefs. If a family is honest then they will go for a person who is more like them. In other words, D Casey and the Anthony family fit together like two peas in a pod.

MOO

I agree that Dominic's story just does not add up. I wonder how he really got directed to that spot and why it was so necessary to bring Hoover along. However, his phone records do show him talking to Ginette for 14 minutes starting at 9:04A and then for 9 minutes at 9:26A. At least that's how I read the records here: http://www.docstoc.com/docs/11105504/Casey-Antony-Dominic-Casey-and-G-Lucas-cell-records
So, I don't know, maybe she is a psychic or maybe she just took a lucky guess like Roy K. did.

 

[cloud9]

Did he and the Anthonys think maybe Caylee had walked into the woods, placed herself inside 3 bags, duct taped her mouth and nose and died? Or did he think maybe she would be in the woods just playing and passing the time of day? He was looking for a body. Of course he was investigating her murder.
They knew she was dead. They smelled her remains in their own car.

Excellent post!
:woohoo:

 

[cloud9]

Seriously Cindy already admitted in front of police that she sent "her people" out there to look. What does that mean to you? Do you think that Cindy thought that Caylee was out there in the woods camping and having a grand ol' time? She sent "her people" out there for one reason and one reason only ... to look for a body. She (CA) said Caylee was alive so why send DC into the woods in the first place? I mean really, Cindy said Caylee was sighted in Texas, Georgia, PR etc


DC was looking for something as he stated "It should be right here" what was the IT? Could he have been told to look near pavers? The IT could have been a clue as to where the body was at. Note: there were pavers at BOTH locations (house and woods) and he was drawn to both sets for some reason.


About tampering: he poked the ground with a rod, tore open a black plastic bag and picked up a blanket. Note that Caylee was or had been in a black plastic bag and had her Pooh blanket. IF those would have been pieces of evidence then he would have been tampering or destroying anything that might have been on them. He has no experience as a PI as far as I am concerned.

Well said!

 

[wenwe4]

Interesting that they sent the psychic a map of that specific area...

timestamp 2:10 on your video link

Harmony, to be fair this video says she "looked at a map" it does not say they sent her one. Just to keep things straight.

 

[TotallyObsessed]

Well, if anyone is interested, Valhall has an excellent theory on why DC was looking in the woods and why he had JH film him find "nothing"......its on her blogsite. I don't know about linking to it, but search "the hinky meter". It makes perfect sense.

 

[TorisMom003]

I agree that Dominic's story just does not add up. I wonder how he really got directed to that spot and why it was so necessary to bring Hoover along. However, his phone records do show him talking to Ginette for 14 minutes starting at 9:04A and then for 9 minutes at 9:26A. At least that's how I read the records here: http://www.docstoc.com/docs/11105504/Casey-Antony-Dominic-Casey-and-G-Lucas-cell-records
So, I don't know, maybe she is a psychic or maybe she just took a lucky guess like Roy K. did.

According to those records the 14 min phone call at 9:04 am was to another number that is NOT listed as being Ginette's on the phone record that she submitted. Same goes for the 9 min phone call at 9:26 am. Ginette's number is being shown as 703-772-15**. The number for those two phone calls is 804-550-51**. So now the question is, whose number is that from Ashland, VA that D Casey spoke with several times that day.

ETA: never mind, just went back and rechecked, that is supposed to be Ginette's home phone. So I was wrong and D Casey did speak to her several times that day. It does seem odd that they would switch from cell to house like they did though.

 

[cloud9]

BBM.

Embarassed ? He went and searched that area THREE times, he proded, he poked through garbage bags (any of which could have contained a dead child), yet he was too embarassed to notify LE ? He had no problem notifying them with a grainy picture of a young child in the Florida Mall, even schueduled a news conference to talk about this (and distributed the pictures to the media). YET, no call to LE when he went looking for a dead child in the woods...

As for your most sensitive comment that "everyone should be darned ashamed that they did not find her" (referring to Caylee), do you include the Anthony's in that statement ? The Grandparents who lived right up the street from where their Granddaughter lay decomposing, don't you think they should be "darned ashamed" ? They didn't travel a block to look for Caylee, many volunteers traveled much further.

:woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo:

 

[cloud9]

Part of my problem is that D Casey and Ginette's time frames do NOT match up. D Casey claims he talked to her for the first time around 8 am. Ginette claimed that she called him much earlier in the am than that. Phone records showed that there was a call at 7 something am. Ginette claims that she told D Casey step by step of where to go. Phone records show that the longest the two talked was 2 minutes during the 9 am hour. 2 mins is not enough time to have someone walk towards a house, go to the end of a chain link fence, take however many steps she told him to take and then look around for the pavers and ultimately Caylee. It just does NOT add up.

Cindy may have tried to back track from saying that she sent "her people" there to that area of the woods but Lee told on her anyway. In Lee's depo he was ticked that mom had sent someone out to look for a DECEASED Caylee since it was the family's position that she was still alive and that no one should be thinking otherwise.

D Casey is either extremely blind or Hoover is extremely sneaky. How does one not know that you are being recorded on video when you turn around and LOOK at the person recording you? If D Casey really, truly did not know then he needs to look for a new profession. Hoover had little contact with the family, D Casey had extended contact with the family. With the family and all of their "mistruths" it makes more sense to me to believe Hoover. A family of liars is always going to go for a person who is more in line with their own beliefs. If a family is honest then they will go for a person who is more like them. In other words, D Casey and the Anthony family fit together like two peas in a pod.

MOO

"In Lee's depo he was ticked that mom had sent someone out to look for a DECEASED Caylee since it was the family's position that she was still alive and that no one should be thinking otherwise."

Exactly!

 

[Harmony 2]

Harmony, to be fair this video says she "looked at a map" it does not say they sent her one. Just to keep things straight.

You are correct... I listened to it again... they sent her a teddy bear... sorry for the misquote

 

[notthatsmart]

BBM
Have I missed something?
Is Law Enforcement required or supposed to hand over tips to a Private Investigator?

I am not sure. Do you know if 911 calls are public domain? I really don't know, but I do know that NG is able to get them the same day.

 

[notthatsmart]

Bumping for NTS.

I thought I already answered this. Sorry. I think the reason he is fighting the depo is simply to protect his client priviledge contract that he has signed with Kc, Jb, Ca, and Ga. I think it is very simple and not passionate at all. I would call it SOP. I think as soon as the Judge clears him of any obligation to those contracts, he will answer all questions. That being said, it does not mean that he has any useful information. IMO

 

[notthatsmart]

Seriously Cindy already admitted in front of police that she sent "her people" out there to look. What does that mean to you? Do you think that Cindy thought that Caylee was out there in the woods camping and having a grand ol' time? She sent "her people" out there for one reason and one reason only ... to look for a body. She (CA) said Caylee was alive so why send DC into the woods in the first place? I mean really, Cindy said Caylee was sighted in Texas, Georgia, PR etc

DC was looking for something as he stated "It should be right here" what was the IT? Could he have been told to look near pavers? The IT could have been a clue as to where the body was at. Note: there were pavers at BOTH locations (house and woods) and he was drawn to both sets for some reason.


About tampering: he poked the ground with a rod, tore open a black plastic bag and picked up a blanket. Note that Caylee was or had been in a black plastic bag and had her Pooh blanket. IF those would have been pieces of evidence then he would have been tampering or destroying anything that might have been on them. He has no experience as a PI as far as I am concerned.

Bold 1 Cindy can send people out for a search. There is no law against that nor is there anything wrong with that. Perhaps she was just covering all bases or following up on a tip from the tip line. I don't see anything wrong here.

Bold 2 Not sure what IT is. So not sure what to say about that. Don't see anything wrong with it though.

Bold 3 Yeah he sure was poking around, and so were the searchers. Have you listened to some of the stuff they have said about leaving no bag or stone unturned? But yeah, he's an ametuer, thats for sure. And nothing wrong with that.

I am sorry, I really don't see where he really did anything wrong or against the law here. Its time to move on. thanks

 

[AZlawyer]

I thought I already answered this. Sorry. I think the reason he is fighting the depo is simply to protect his client priviledge contract that he has signed with Kc, Jb, Ca, and Ga. I think it is very simple and not passionate at all. I would call it SOP. I think as soon as the Judge clears him of any obligation to those contracts, he will answer all questions. That being said, it does not mean that he has any useful information. IMO

There is no such thing as a PI-client privilege, and nothing can be written in a contract to create one. Therefore nothing needs to be done by the judge to un-create one.

 

[RR0004]

Yes , I include the defense and the family, its just it would be horrible for a Grandparent to find their Grandchild like that. IMO

NTS- the family did very little to look for Caylee for the first 31 days...yet alone the remaining time.

 

[RR0004]

Bold 1 Cindy can send people out for a search. There is no law against that nor is there anything wrong with that. Perhaps she was just covering all bases or following up on a tip from the tip line. I don't see anything wrong here.

Bold 2 Not sure what IT is. So not sure what to say about that. Don't see anything wrong with it though.

Bold 3 Yeah he sure was poking around, and so were the searchers. Have you listened to some of the stuff they have said about leaving no bag or stone unturned? But yeah, he's an ametuer, thats for sure. And nothing wrong with that.

I am sorry, I really don't see where he really did anything wrong or against the law here. Its time to move on. thanks

You're right about one thing...we don't know if he did anything wrong...but hopefully we'll know soon enough.