2009.11.19 Defense Files Motion suggesting Kronk as Killer #4

[Searchfortruth]

Well I certainly agree that there are checks and balances and I highly approve. However, there is something called reasonable suspicion. If Le wants a search warrant, within reason, they can get one very easily. So, willy nilly, no, reasonable, yes.
I think everyone has the right to investigate within reason. Ie Sleuthing on WS.

On the other hand, what will it hurt for Le to investigate RK, if anything it will clear him. It will also give the Sa much more knowledge and power to fight the defense when this all comes up at trial. It is best that SA knows the answers to the questions before they are asked. To me it seems like a win win situation for everyone.

BBM.

NTS, I think you are aware that LE must have probable cause to obtain a search warrant.

 

[Novice Seeker]

This was not an actual deposition. There was no oath administered, no court recorder, no attorney for either side as I believe it was just MS asking the questions. It was basically a video taped statement with many breaks in the taping. Both witnesses could sit for an actual deposition but they would have to swear under oath that the statements they were giving were the truth. JMO

Although the field of law is similiar to latin to this :loser:, I do enjoy learning from the rest of you. :bow: to those of you who can make sense out of this.

Now I'm confused as to why Baez spent all that time, money, and damage/accusations against a private citizen when it's basically useless. Even when LE conducted their interviews they had the witness swear an oath their statement was true to the best of their knowledge. What kind of attorney would...oh that's right we are talking about Baez:doh:

Makes you wonder if Baez didn't plan this from the beginning???

Novice Seeker

 

[Novice Seeker]

Well I certainly agree that there are checks and balances and I highly approve. However, there is something called reasonable suspicion. If Le wants a search warrant, within reason, they can get one very easily. So, willy nilly, no, reasonable, yes.

I think everyone has the right to investigate within reason. Ie Sleuthing on WS.

On the other hand, what will it hurt for Le to investigate RK, if anything it will clear him. It will also give the Sa much more knowledge and power to fight the defense when this all comes up at trial. It is best that SA knows the answers to the questions before they are asked. To me it seems like a win win situation for everyone.

To the first bold...Who determines what is within reason? Doesn't this put any citizen at extreme risk of being thrown into a legal nightmare simply b/c someone "felt" there was reason. Sorta like what RK is having to endure. Wouldn't this mentality strip each of us our constitutional rights?

As Sleuthers we discuss, debate and theorize a crime. What we don't do is meet with persons with knowledge about the crime and interview them, gather and collect physical evidence and all the rest of the stuff which LE must have a search warrant for.

The reason LE didn't investigate RK further is b/c there was NO EVIDENCE to connect him to the crime.....RK's only involvement with this case was discovering where the body of a murdered child was.

Novice Seeker

 

[RR0004]

Well I certainly agree that there are checks and balances and I highly approve. However, there is something called reasonable suspicion. If Le wants a search warrant, within reason, they can get one very easily. So, willy nilly, no, reasonable, yes.

I think everyone has the right to investigate within reason. Ie Sleuthing on WS.

On the other hand, what will it hurt for Le to investigate RK, if anything it will clear him. It will also give the Sa much more knowledge and power to fight the defense when this all comes up at trial. It is best that SA knows the answers to the questions before they are asked. To me it seems like a win win situation for everyone.

Ok...what makes you think he hasn't been checked out? Anything short of being named a "suspect" may not satisfy some.

 

[jade78]

For me it always comes back to the fact that Casey's conspiracy explanation defies reality unless there is a drug connection-if she was a drug mule, I can see an organized ring taking her child and killing her as incentive to cooperate on some level. And that have never been in play-the fictitious nanny who never existed to begin with supposedly took Caylee while Casey was working at a job she never had.

I would believe that Kronk was much closer to the remains than has been reported. I would believe that he has some stories that either only investigators know or will not be told ever...because I think that he spent quite a bit of time thinking about where she might be based on what he had read in the papers-that is why he found her. In LE's defense they did not know if they were looking for a body or not.. I suspect that Kronk believed for a while that LE had found her exactly where he first said she was (after his persistence in August) and he assumed that they were holding it close to themselves. And then I think he was completely surprised to go back when the water table changed and find everything as he had left it....in December.

JMO.

I think they (the Anthony's) came so close to finding her and making her disappear....it makes me shudder. Thank God Kronk was obsessed.

I do not recall correctly if Amy had said this or not,but it was said "Casey was smoking more pot then ever".
Now that said unless Casey and her friends were growing it themselves,there had to be a "person" whom they where buying from.

 

[flourish]

I actually just read the defense motion today in it's entirety. My thoughts are that all the motion shows is that it is "curious" "suspicious" (my quotes) the actions of RK. I have felt that all along. So are the actions of DC and many others who were on S. Drive prior to the 'discovery'. I actually put a ' possible daisy chain cast of characters and related dates' together some time ago as LP and his persistent utterances (before silenced) had enough merit that I wanted to see if laying it all out in chronological order would help. That said, the defense will have to file similar motions on each person who was driving around with dogs (G.ST J) and Hoover and DC and all the others who were there.
HOWEVER: Nothing has to date made me feel that any of these 'characters' murdered Caylee. What it makes me think and the defense motion only supported my opinions, was that it is POSSIBLE that KC or someone close to her leaked or was overheard talking about where the body was. I have always felt that *IF* CA knew that baby Caylee was gone, she would have wanted the body found. My point is: I think there is reason to be suspicious of wrong doing after the fact but certainly don't see any evidence pointing to RK or anyone having murdered baby Caylee.

I also wanted to say that we don't know if LE didn't in fact investigate RK (actually think I remember them saying at a news conference they did and had eliminated him, but I don't have a link so this is just my recall.) What is important is there is plenty we have not seen and that the prosecution doesn't have to release even under the liberal Sunshine laws. Here is a link discussing just some of the exemptions: http://www.myflsunshine.com/sun.nsf/sunmanual/1BB05D142D8E4724852566F3006C7A1A

What is to say that there is not an "ongoing" investigation into RK for "some" crime still? (IMHO - not murder)

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I hope you enjoy WS as much as we all do!

 

[notthatsmart]

Mountain of circumstantial evidence against Rk being involved

1: Rk said he was 100 percent sure it was a skull he saw on Aug 11th. (If I were that sure about something so important, I would make sure the police saw what I saw.)
2: Rk said he was only 50 percent sure it was the same area. ( I have listened to the 911 tapes and looked at the dump site pics and his description of the scene doesn’t seem to fit. ) Where is the white board hanging over and where is the mowed area beyond.
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19341482/detail.html


3: Rk said he had only been out there on Aug 11th, Nov 11th and Dec 11th. Yet Yuri reported upon aquiring his schedule and routes that he thought he had been out there in Sept or Oct. One of them is wrong.
4: Rk had been following the case. He said that she said she was close. He also said he waited until after Nancy Grace to Call 911. He talked to his coworkers about the case. He gave them his theory. He also told dispatch, and I quote, No! I told you she was here.
5: Rk was the meter reader. He had been in front of the Anthony home at some point.
6: Rk said I didn’t tell anyone about it because I knew there was a reward out there. Rk said you know what? Rk has to eat too.
7: Rk said he had to sell his car. (possible car crime scene with forensic evidence) If I were the police, I would find that car and look at it.
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19341482/detail.html


8: Rk tried to keep the defense from looking at his phone records.
9:Rk ex wife said first thing she thought when she heard Rk found Caylee was that he did it.
10: Rk ex wife said that Rk bound her with “duct tape”
11: Rk other ex wife said that when Rk was arrested for kidnapping, his father called her and asked her to help Rk get out of jail. She said the father said they found “duct tape” and hand cuffs in his car. Rk and “duct tape” are no strangers.
12: Rk son said that in Nov, Rk told him that he knew where the body was and he was going to be on Tv in Dec.
http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/1120/21678734.pdf

13: On Oct 9th 2 witnesses called 911 to report a child screaming for help at 8:50 am. They pointed to the North West where the remains were found . Not sure if Rk was working there that day, but Yuri said Sept or Oct and the 11th was a Saturday and 8:50 is around the same time he found Caylee in Dec.
14 Jw said she saw a strange man in those woods between 1 and 2 pm on August 11th. Did Rk eome back after meeting with his co workers there?
This is the beginning of the mountain of circumstantial evidence of Rk being involved in this some how. He should be investigated thoroughly. Since SA complained that Jb did not give them addresses of the ex wives, I assume that to mean that they are now going to investigate RK.The mountain of circumstantial evidence is in the motion and it is very disturbing. After reading the facts I come to my opinion and this is all just my opinion.

 

[Horace Finklestein]

Mountain of circumstantial evidence against Rk being involved

1: Rk said he was 100 percent sure it was a skull he saw on Aug 11th. (If I were that sure about something so important, I would make sure the police saw what I saw.)
2: Rk said he was only 50 percent sure it was the same area. ( I have listened to the 911 tapes and looked at the dump site pics and his description of the scene doesn’t seem to fit. ) Where is the white board hanging over and where is the mowed area beyond.
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19341482/detail.html


3: Rk said he had only been out there on Aug 11th, Nov 11th and Dec 11th. Yet Yuri reported upon aquiring his schedule and routes that he thought he had been out there in Sept or Oct. One of them is wrong.
4: Rk had been following the case. He said that she said she was close. He also said he waited until after Nancy Grace to Call 911. He talked to his coworkers about the case. He gave them his theory. He also told dispatch, and I quote, No! I told you she was here.
5: Rk was the meter reader. He had been in front of the Anthony home at some point.
6: Rk said I didn’t tell anyone about it because I knew there was a reward out there. Rk said you know what? Rk has to eat too.
7: Rk said he had to sell his car. (possible car crime scene with forensic evidence) If I were the police, I would find that car and look at it.
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19341482/detail.html


8: Rk tried to keep the defense from looking at his phone records.
9:Rk ex wife said first thing she thought when she heard Rk found Caylee was that he did it.
10: Rk ex wife said that Rk bound her with “duct tape”
11: Rk other ex wife said that when Rk was arrested for kidnapping, his father called her and asked her to help Rk get out of jail. She said the father said they found “duct tape” and hand cuffs in his car. Rk and “duct tape” are no strangers.
12: Rk son said that in Nov, Rk told him that he knew where the body was and he was going to be on Tv in Dec.
http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/1120/21678734.pdf

13: On Oct 9th 2 witnesses called 911 to report a child screaming for help at 8:50 am. They pointed to the North West where the remains were found . Not sure if Rk was working there that day, but Yuri said Sept or Oct and the 11th was a Saturday and 8:50 is around the same time he found Caylee in Dec.
14 Jw said she saw a strange man in those woods between 1 and 2 pm on August 11th. Did Rk eome back after meeting with his co workers there?
This is the beginning of the mountain of circumstantial evidence of Rk being involved in this some how. He should be investigated thoroughly. Since SA complained that Jb did not give them addresses of the ex wives, I assume that to mean that they are now going to investigate RK.The mountain of circumstantial evidence is in the motion and it is very disturbing. After reading the facts I come to my opinion and this is all just my opinion.

None of these things point to him being 'involved' in any way. He found the body, didn't want the defense going through his personal life and trashing him (of course they did) and then they unscrupulously dragged his ex wives into the scene, trying to get their nonsense and hearsay in front of the public, because they know it won't be admitted into evidence. This is pretty much common sense. I don't know why some people try so hard to believe otherwise. I suppose Kronk put Caylee in Casey's trunk and made her go 31 days without reporting Caylee missing? Now that would be interesting.

 

[Pondering Mind]

Mountain of circumstantial evidence against Rk being involved

1: Rk said he was 100 percent sure it was a skull he saw on Aug 11th. (If I were that sure about something so important, I would make sure the police saw what I saw.)
2: Rk said he was only 50 percent sure it was the same area. ( I have listened to the 911 tapes and looked at the dump site pics and his description of the scene doesn’t seem to fit. ) Where is the white board hanging over and where is the mowed area beyond.
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19341482/detail.html


3: Rk said he had only been out there on Aug 11th, Nov 11th and Dec 11th. Yet Yuri reported upon aquiring his schedule and routes that he thought he had been out there in Sept or Oct. One of them is wrong.
4: Rk had been following the case. He said that she said she was close. He also said he waited until after Nancy Grace to Call 911. He talked to his coworkers about the case. He gave them his theory. He also told dispatch, and I quote, No! I told you she was here.
5: Rk was the meter reader. He had been in front of the Anthony home at some point.
6: Rk said I didn’t tell anyone about it because I knew there was a reward out there. Rk said you know what? Rk has to eat too.
7: Rk said he had to sell his car. (possible car crime scene with forensic evidence) If I were the police, I would find that car and look at it.
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19341482/detail.html


8: Rk tried to keep the defense from looking at his phone records.
9:Rk ex wife said first thing she thought when she heard Rk found Caylee was that he did it.
10: Rk ex wife said that Rk bound her with “duct tape”
11: Rk other ex wife said that when Rk was arrested for kidnapping, his father called her and asked her to help Rk get out of jail. She said the father said they found “duct tape” and hand cuffs in his car. Rk and “duct tape” are no strangers.
12: Rk son said that in Nov, Rk told him that he knew where the body was and he was going to be on Tv in Dec.
http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/1120/21678734.pdf

13: On Oct 9th 2 witnesses called 911 to report a child screaming for help at 8:50 am. They pointed to the North West where the remains were found . Not sure if Rk was working there that day, but Yuri said Sept or Oct and the 11th was a Saturday and 8:50 is around the same time he found Caylee in Dec.
14 Jw said she saw a strange man in those woods between 1 and 2 pm on August 11th. Did Rk eome back after meeting with his co workers there?
This is the beginning of the mountain of circumstantial evidence of Rk being involved in this some how. He should be investigated thoroughly. Since SA complained that Jb did not give them addresses of the ex wives, I assume that to mean that they are now going to investigate RK.The mountain of circumstantial evidence is in the motion and it is very disturbing. After reading the facts I come to my opinion and this is all just my opinion.

Respectfully nothatsmart, whether any of these things that you call a "Mountain of circumstantial evidence against K being involved" rise to the level of even a tiny mole hill is really a matter of individual perception rather than anything resembling hard and fast facts against RK...at least IMHO anway.
I see it as nothing more than JB grasping at straws..and I believe any jury would too...

 

[notthatsmart]

None of these things point to him being 'involved' in any way. He found the body, didn't want the defense going through his personal life and trashing him (of course they did) and then they unscrupulously dragged his ex wives into the scene, trying to get their nonsense and hearsay in front of the public, because they know it won't be admitted into evidence. This is pretty much common sense. I don't know why some people try so hard to believe otherwise. I suppose Kronk put Caylee in Casey's trunk and made her go 31 days without reporting Caylee missing? Now that would be interesting.

Bold 1: I respectfully disagree. I feel there is plenty in the motion that points him to being involved.

Bold 2: I see his ex wives as victims. They should get a lot more respect. These victims storys are not nonsense and hearsay. Victims at least deserve an ear. The motion was presented to the court and not to the public.

Bold 3: We don't know yet how the Judge will rule. This may all be admitted into evidence.

 

[seekingjustice**]

Mountain of circumstantial evidence against Rk being involved

1: Rk said he was 100 percent sure it was a skull he saw on Aug 11th. (If I were that sure about something so important, I would make sure the police saw what I saw.)
2: Rk said he was only 50 percent sure it was the same area. ( I have listened to the 911 tapes and looked at the dump site pics and his description of the scene doesn’t seem to fit. ) Where is the white board hanging over and where is the mowed area beyond.
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19341482/detail.html


3: Rk said he had only been out there on Aug 11th, Nov 11th and Dec 11th. Yet Yuri reported upon aquiring his schedule and routes that he thought he had been out there in Sept or Oct. One of them is wrong.
4: Rk had been following the case. He said that she said she was close. He also said he waited until after Nancy Grace to Call 911. He talked to his coworkers about the case. He gave them his theory. He also told dispatch, and I quote, No! I told you she was here.
5: Rk was the meter reader. He had been in front of the Anthony home at some point.
6: Rk said I didn’t tell anyone about it because I knew there was a reward out there. Rk said you know what? Rk has to eat too.
7: Rk said he had to sell his car. (possible car crime scene with forensic evidence) If I were the police, I would find that car and look at it.
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19341482/detail.html


8: Rk tried to keep the defense from looking at his phone records.
9:Rk ex wife said first thing she thought when she heard Rk found Caylee was that he did it.
10: Rk ex wife said that Rk bound her with “duct tape”
11: Rk other ex wife said that when Rk was arrested for kidnapping, his father called her and asked her to help Rk get out of jail. She said the father said they found “duct tape” and hand cuffs in his car. Rk and “duct tape” are no strangers.
12: Rk son said that in Nov, Rk told him that he knew where the body was and he was going to be on Tv in Dec.
http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/1120/21678734.pdf

13: On Oct 9th 2 witnesses called 911 to report a child screaming for help at 8:50 am. They pointed to the North West where the remains were found . Not sure if Rk was working there that day, but Yuri said Sept or Oct and the 11th was a Saturday and 8:50 is around the same time he found Caylee in Dec.
14 Jw said she saw a strange man in those woods between 1 and 2 pm on August 11th. Did Rk eome back after meeting with his co workers there?
This is the beginning of the mountain of circumstantial evidence of Rk being involved in this some how. He should be investigated thoroughly. Since SA complained that Jb did not give them addresses of the ex wives, I assume that to mean that they are now going to investigate RK.The mountain of circumstantial evidence is in the motion and it is very disturbing. After reading the facts I come to my opinion and this is all just my opinion.

I am certain we could also build a 'mountain of circumstantial evidence' against GA which would far outweigh, IMO, the points you have raised about RK. But in my opinion, absolutely nothing can or will erase the 31 carefree party days that KC so enjoyed while Caylee's little body rotted away!

 

[Turnadot]

Mountain of circumstantial evidence against Rk being involved

1: Rk said he was 100 percent sure it was a skull he saw on Aug 11th. (If I were that sure about something so important, I would make sure the police saw what I saw.)
2: Rk said he was only 50 percent sure it was the same area. ( I have listened to the 911 tapes and looked at the dump site pics and his description of the scene doesn’t seem to fit. ) Where is the white board hanging over and where is the mowed area beyond.
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19341482/detail.html


3: Rk said he had only been out there on Aug 11th, Nov 11th and Dec 11th. Yet Yuri reported upon aquiring his schedule and routes that he thought he had been out there in Sept or Oct. One of them is wrong.
4: Rk had been following the case. He said that she said she was close. He also said he waited until after Nancy Grace to Call 911. He talked to his coworkers about the case. He gave them his theory. He also told dispatch, and I quote, No! I told you she was here.
5: Rk was the meter reader. He had been in front of the Anthony home at some point.
6: Rk said I didn’t tell anyone about it because I knew there was a reward out there. Rk said you know what? Rk has to eat too.
7: Rk said he had to sell his car. (possible car crime scene with forensic evidence) If I were the police, I would find that car and look at it.
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19341482/detail.html


8: Rk tried to keep the defense from looking at his phone records.
9:Rk ex wife said first thing she thought when she heard Rk found Caylee was that he did it.
10: Rk ex wife said that Rk bound her with “duct tape”
11: Rk other ex wife said that when Rk was arrested for kidnapping, his father called her and asked her to help Rk get out of jail. She said the father said they found “duct tape” and hand cuffs in his car. Rk and “duct tape” are no strangers.
12: Rk son said that in Nov, Rk told him that he knew where the body was and he was going to be on Tv in Dec.
http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/1120/21678734.pdf

13: On Oct 9th 2 witnesses called 911 to report a child screaming for help at 8:50 am. They pointed to the North West where the remains were found . Not sure if Rk was working there that day, but Yuri said Sept or Oct and the 11th was a Saturday and 8:50 is around the same time he found Caylee in Dec.
14 Jw said she saw a strange man in those woods between 1 and 2 pm on August 11th. Did Rk eome back after meeting with his co workers there?
This is the beginning of the mountain of circumstantial evidence of Rk being involved in this some how. He should be investigated thoroughly. Since SA complained that Jb did not give them addresses of the ex wives, I assume that to mean that they are now going to investigate RK.The mountain of circumstantial evidence is in the motion and it is very disturbing. After reading the facts I come to my opinion and this is all just my opinion.

BBM

Um, OK, so Kronk is a bad person. Where's the mountain of evidence that makes him a viable suspect for the murder of Caylee?

What you have here is a mountain of assertions; not evidence, and assumptions that LE has not thoroughly investigated Kronk.

 

[Turnadot]

[/b]

Bold 1: I respectfully disagree. I feel there is plenty in the motion that points him to being involved.

Bold 2: I see his ex wives as victims. They should get a lot more respect. These victims storys are not nonsense and hearsay. Victims at least deserve an ear. The motion was presented to the court and not to the public.

Bold 3: We don't know yet how the Judge will rule. This may all be admitted into evidence.

The facts disagree with your emotions, imo.

 

[TorisMom003]

Even if RK's ex wives claim these things against him it still comes out as sour milk against an ex-husband since there is no proof to back up the claims of the ex-wives. The one who was "bound by duct tape" never filed any charges against RK, that we know of. The one who was "kidnapped" had the charges dropped and RK was cleared in that as there is no proof that said kidnapping happened. The son who claims that RK told him this over the phone has no proof as to what the phone call was about. There is no evidence that RK used duct tape in a manner to harm or kill a person. There is no evidence that RK ever saw or met Casey or Caylee prior to RK finding Caylee's remains.

There is however evidence of Caylee being in the trunk of Casey's car. There is evidence of the Anthony's duct tape being used to harm or kill Caylee. There is evidence of Casey not reporting her daughter missing. There is evidence of Casey lieing to LE concerning important information needed in finding Caylee.

RK had no means, motive or opportunity to do anything harmful to Caylee. Casey had means, opportunity and motive to kill Caylee.

I personally do not think that the defense believes that RK should be an equal suspect as Casey in the death of Caylee. IMO it is simply the defense running out of ideas as to how to defend their client so they are grasping at whatever they can find.

 

[Turnadot]

Bold 1: I do believe that GA pulled Ym aside on July 16th and told him to check out his Daughters story. So, yes that is true.

Bold 2: I never said that Le was constructivley criticized by the Anthony family. Read the post. I was referring to the current motion as constructive criticism of Le. Read the links.

BBM

Thinking about this a little more -

I read the links and was pretty let down, to be honest. I expected to see a mountain of circumstantial evidence that Kronk was involved with Caylee's murder. But no, what I got was slew of character assassinations against Kronk by his ex-wives and his son, which may be true, but still doesn't put him in contact with Caylee or KC before that precious baby's death.

For Kronk to be a viable suspect, even if he is a (and I am not saying he is), Baez&CO are going to have to put Caylee in Kronk's hands; her decomp in his car, him lying to LE about where Caylee is; taking them to a place he doesn't work; to apartments of the non-existent nanny; partying for 31 days with the full knowledge that Caylee was tossed out like trash. In other words, for Kronk to be a viable suspect, or even cast reasonable doubt as to who the killer is, it's going to take a heck of a lot more than hand-waving by the defense and saying, 'But his ex-wives said...' and charges that were either not filed, or dropped.

You know, like, some actual *proof* that Kronk could be involved.

 

[LambChop]

LOL. If duct tape and handcuffs make him a suspect better sign me up, too. I have duct tape in my car and still have a pair of my husband's (ex-LE) handcuffs. RK was bounty hunter and the handcuffs would have been standard equipment. Nice try though but the motions are based on statements that are not related to the case and depositions were not officially taken because defense just wanted to make a media splash with no hope of having this information being taken seriously by the judge. Unfortunately for KC, the dead body was in her trunk, her mother said it, her father said it, SB said it, LE said it and I am sure if you put Dr. Lee under oath he would have to say it too. JMO

Edited to add: If the someone feels that RK should be considered in this case maybe they should revisit the threads with the mounting evidence agains KC. Far, far more reason to believe SA has the right person with the evidence they have presented so far. Wrap it up in a neat package for the jury...KC's gone bye, bye.

 

[jade78]

BBM

Thinking about this a little more -

I read the links and was pretty let down, to be honest. I expected to see a mountain of circumstantial evidence that Kronk was involved with Caylee's murder. But no, what I got was slew of character assassinations against Kronk by his ex-wives and his son, which may be true, but still doesn't put him in contact with Caylee or KC before that precious baby's death.

For Kronk to be a viable suspect, even if he is a (and I am not saying he is), Baez&CO are going to have to put Caylee in Kronk's hands; her decomp in his car, him lying to LE about where Caylee is; taking them to a place he doesn't work; to apartments of the non-existent nanny; partying for 31 days with the full knowledge that Caylee was tossed out like trash. In other words, for Kronk to be a viable suspect, or even cast reasonable doubt as to who the killer is, it's going to take a heck of a lot more than hand-waving by the defense and saying, 'But his ex-wives said...' and charges that were either not filed, or dropped.

You know, like, some actual *proof* that Kronk could be involved.

I have a question I loved to ask Kronk!
If he and his buddy's had the thoughts of taking pictures of the DEAD SNAKE,why did they not take pictures of what Kronk says he seen numerous times!
so many question.....

 

[LambChop]

I have a question I loved to ask Kronk!
If he and his buddy's had the thoughts of taking pictures of the DEAD SNAKE,why did they not take pictures of what Kronk says he seen numerous times!
so many question.....

I believe the snake was out in the open area. Plenty of light, I would imagine. But then we don't know whether or not he tried to take a picture and LE has it. Now wouldn't that be something.

 

[Novice Seeker]

Mountain of circumstantial evidence against Rk being involved

1: Rk said he was 100 percent sure it was a skull he saw on Aug 11th. (If I were that sure about something so important, I would make sure the police saw what I saw.)And how was he suppose to force the police officer to do his job? Don't forget RK wasn't the only one, others tried to get LE to search material thought to be related to Caylee. What about the guy who did his own search based on information from a psychic? Do we need to consider him a suspect also?
2: Rk said he was only 50 percent sure it was the same area. ( I have listened to the 911 tapes and looked at the dump site pics and his description of the scene doesn’t seem to fit. ) Where is the white board hanging over and where is the mowed area beyond.
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19341482/detail.html

Hmm, so what would make RK doubt what he saw and the specific location?? Self-doubt after a prior police officer made him feel stupid?? The mocking from his co-workers? A time span that included changes in the weather, storms, hurricane and flooding??
3: Rk said he had only been out there on Aug 11th, Nov 11th and Dec 11th. Yet Yuri reported upon acquiring his schedule and routes that he thought he had been out there in Sept or Oct. One of them is wrong.Caylee was killed before then and according to the cadaver dogs buried in the backyard for a brief period before she was placed in KC's car.
4: Rk had been following the case. He said that she said she was close. He also said he waited until after Nancy Grace to Call 911. He talked to his coworkers about the case. He gave them his theory. He also told dispatch, and I quote, No! I told you she was here. And this makes him a suspect how??
5: Rk was the meter reader. He had been in front of the Anthony home at some point.What about the back yard or the garage?
6: Rk said I didn’t tell anyone about it because I knew there was a reward out there. Rk said you know what? Rk has to eat too. So should George and Cindy be considered a suspect b/c of the monetary benefits they've enjoyed from Caylee's death?
7: Rk said he had to sell his car. (possible car crime scene with forensic evidence) If I were the police, I would find that car and look at it.
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19341482/detail.html
He's a suspect b/c he sold his car??, Well, perhaps LE should investigate anyone else who sold a car during the time Caylee went missing until the day she was discovered.

8: Rk tried to keep the defense from looking at his phone records.That's his right. If LE felt his phone records could be connected to the crime all they had to do was get a search warrant and take the phone records...
9:Rk ex wife said first thing she thought when she heard Rk found Caylee was that he did it.Seriously??
10: Rk ex wife said that Rk bound her with “duct tape”Did she report this to LE? Was he investigated for this??
11: Rk other ex wife said that when Rk was arrested for kidnapping, his father called her and asked her to help Rk get out of jail. She said the father said they found “duct tape” and hand cuffs in his car. Rk and “duct tape” are no strangers. So there are court documents about this charge which would be accessible to LE to determine if is prior act could be linked to Caylee's murder.
12: Rk son said that in Nov, Rk told him that he knew where the body was and he was going to be on Tv in Dec.More power to him. Grateful he didn't give up.


Left off how he could have forced KC to get drunk, borrow a shovel to dig ahmm bamboo, run with the gang to PARTY, dance and other recreational activities. Surely she knew her daughter was missing b/c when KC would slip into her parents home she would collect clothes for herself but never any for little Caylee.

OR, was he seen with KC in her car? Did he go to the tatoo parlor and hold KC down and force her to get it? Wonder how he was able to something that no one else has ever been able to.....control KC??

Novice Seeker
http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/1120/21678734.pdf

13: On Oct 9th 2 witnesses called 911 to report a child screaming for help at 8:50 am. They pointed to the North West where the remains were found . Not sure if Rk was working there that day, but Yuri said Sept or Oct and the 11th was a Saturday and 8:50 is around the same time he found Caylee in Dec.
14 Jw said she saw a strange man in those woods between 1 and 2 pm on August 11th. Did Rk eome back after meeting with his co workers there?
This is the beginning of the mountain of circumstantial evidence of Rk being involved in this some how. He should be investigated thoroughly. Since SA complained that Jb did not give them addresses of the ex wives, I assume that to mean that they are now going to investigate RK.The mountain of circumstantial evidence is in the motion and it is very disturbing. After reading the facts I come to my opinion and this is all just my opinion.

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Thinking about this a little more -

I read the links and was pretty let down, to be honest. I expected to see a mountain of circumstantial evidence that Kronk was involved with Caylee's murder. But no, what I got was slew of character assassinations against Kronk by his ex-wives and his son, which may be true, but still doesn't put him in contact with Caylee or KC before that precious baby's death.

For Kronk to be a viable suspect, even if he is a (and I am not saying he is), Baez&CO are going to have to put Caylee in Kronk's hands; her decomp in his car, him lying to LE about where Caylee is; taking them to a place he doesn't work; to apartments of the non-existent nanny; partying for 31 days with the full knowledge that Caylee was tossed out like trash. In other words, for Kronk to be a viable suspect, or even cast reasonable doubt as to who the killer is, it's going to take a heck of a lot more than hand-waving by the defense and saying, 'But his ex-wives said...' and charges that were either not filed, or dropped.

You know, like, some actual *proof* that Kronk could be involved.

There are approximately 100 to 130 abductions by strangers every year in the US. In 2001 the FBI documented 93 cases of abduction by strangers. Relative to the amount of abductions committed yearly in the US, abduction by stranger is rare. However, it is possible. So simply because RK did not know Caylee or any of the A’s, this does not automatically exclude him as the abductor. It is unlikely, yes, but it is also unlikely that a mother would murder her own child.
RK made multiple inconsistent statements to police (some consider this to be lying). RK was 100% certain he saw a skull on Aug 11th that was likely Caylee’s. He had the opportunity on aug 13th to prove it to officer Cain, but chose not too. Although he was 100% certain he waited 120 days to finally beyond any doubt discover the remains. RK allegedly told his son he knew where Caylee’s remains were, and that he was going to be on tv. Although he was not partying for those 120 days while Caylee’s remains were continuing to deteriorate, he was relaxing at home, watching NG, out buying a new car, reconnecting with his family, and he did all this with the 100% certainty that Caylee’s remains were still laying in the woods. He did not bring the police to a non existent nanny’s apartment, but he did bring officer Cain to a spot where he is 50 percent sure was the same spot, the skull he was 100% sure of was ultimately found. Nothing was found there at that time, nor was it found for another 120 days. The point I am making is that we are dealing with a circumstantial case. These circumstances are suspicious. When you add these to the testimony provided in the motion by the defense, well, it makes me wonder about RK.
This may all be spaghetti thrown at the wall by the defense, but it is sticky enough that when the judge rules on the motion whether or not to allow RK’s prior bad acts that he will have a lot to consider. As always my entire post is moo.