2009.11.19 Defense files motion suggesting Kronk as the killer. #3

[Wudge]

Thanks for answering from a procedural POV , this is exactly what I was trying to understand....so the defense in any given case (or just capital cases?) has to advise the judge and the state as to thier intent prior to trial, and in order to take a certain course with other potential suspects, correct?

I kinda thought they could keep it all to themselves if it was not a discoverable item, did not realize they had to have a rule on intended defense. Seems like another layer of protection for the accused, and if that is the case I would have to agree that JS will carefully consider this.

It's true in any criminal trial. The defense can't simply offer up anything they wish as a defense -- such as a 'twinkie' defense (chuckle).

 

[Wudge]

Whoa. I don't remember this part of Roy's call to OC dispatch on Dec. 11 (after finding Caylee).

Unknown voice to Roy: "I told you. I told you, Ray (Roy?)"
Roy: "No. I told you she was here."

He had already told people at the facility that Caylee was there in the woods?

YouTube- Broadcast Yourself. Short audio clip.

Somebody is lying.

(Now extending the offer to sing 'Amazing Grace' at no charge as Mr. Kronk nears the end of his cross-examination.)

 

[Just Jayla]

Whoa. I don't remember this part of Roy's call to OC dispatch on Dec. 11 (after finding Caylee).

Unknown voice to Roy: "I told you. I told you, Ray (Roy?)"
Roy: "No. I told you she was here."

He had already told people at the facility that Caylee was there in the woods?

YouTube- Broadcast Yourself. Short audio clip.

He told people back in August 2008. Including 2 police officers and his co-workers that were there with him on Suburban.

ETA, I should clarify-He told people back in August that he saw a skull and he told the responding officers several times that KC said Caylee was "close to home," demonstrating that he has always thought it was Caylee's body. I thought it was too, from the moment I heard the news that the remains were found there. I don't find that unusual.

 

[Kentjbkent]

Whoa. I don't remember this part of Roy's call to OC dispatch on Dec. 11 (after finding Caylee).

Unknown voice to Roy: "I told you. I told you, Ray (Roy?)"
Roy: "No. I told you she was here."

He had already told people at the facility that Caylee was there in the woods?

YouTube- Broadcast Yourself. Short audio clip.

This is discussed in the DF book. The "unknown voice" is one of the other meter readers that was with Kronk back in August. Will have to pull out book to give specific name....

EDIT: SEE POST BELOW FOR BOOK QUOTATION

 

[sleutherontheside]

It's true in any criminal trial. The defense can't simply offer up anything they wish as a defense -- such as a 'twinkie' defense (chuckle).

Of course not.....but in the words of Andrea L per her seminars cited articles ....the defense can suggest their own theories for the jury to consider.

 

[Jolynna]

Who was his girlfriend? Death Certificate? Funeral Notification? Newspaper clipping?

The reason I'm suspicious is that I thought I heard him say he got distracted by his wife's death between August of 2008 and December 2008 which is why the skull he had witnessed got put on the back burner of his priorities. People automatically thought, poor man, etc. Now I want to see evidence of his personal saga. Do we know who the girlfriend was? She won't care as she is not here to be bothered. I'm not believing anything that cannot be substantiated. I have never witnessed a bigger bunch of liars in my life.

BBM

Me either.

None of Kronk's exes claims were substantiated.

 

[Hot Dogs]

IIRC, in his LE interview, he elaborated a little by saying he had just reunited with his son at that time, this was part of the other things he had going on.

9:15 marker

http://cfnews13.com/uploadedfiles/audio/RoyKronkJan.wma

He did eventually pursue it again after the area dried.

Yes, I recommend to anyone to listen to this. He rattles off a list of reasons why he didn't pursue. He even says he was 100% sure it was a skull on Aug 11.

Car blew up.
Reunited with son.
Got insurance to pay.
Had to pay parents back.
Had to find a replacement car.
"I had real things to do."

And yet he was 99-100% sure it was a skull that he saw.

Ridiculous! :banghead:

 

[mydailyopinions]

Whoa. I don't remember this part of Roy's call to OC dispatch on Dec. 11 (after finding Caylee).

Unknown voice to Roy: "I told you. I told you, Ray (Roy?)"
Roy: "No. I told you she was here."

He had already told people at the facility that Caylee was there in the woods?

YouTube- Broadcast Yourself. Short audio clip.

I don't remember this either..
Are we sure this is not a fake? Or did this come out in discovery?

 

[okiedokietoo]

Whoa. I don't remember this part of Roy's call to OC dispatch on Dec. 11 (after finding Caylee).

Unknown voice to Roy: "I told you. I told you, Ray (Roy?)"
Roy: "No. I told you she was here."

He had already told people at the facility that Caylee was there in the woods?

YouTube- Broadcast Yourself. Short audio clip.

I read that more like a "told-you-so" "see I was right" not like an absolutely she was there kind of statement.

 

[Kentjbkent]

Whoa. I don't remember this part of Roy's call to OC dispatch on Dec. 11 (after finding Caylee).

Unknown voice to Roy: "I told you. I told you, Ray (Roy?)"
Roy: "No. I told you she was here."

He had already told people at the facility that Caylee was there in the woods?

YouTube- Broadcast Yourself. Short audio clip.

Found it. This is how it is explained in the Diane Fanning book, which she states is taken from documents from the case...

Chapter 40

"That day (August 11) county meter reader David Dean helped new employee Roy Kronk with his route on Hopespring and Suburban. They stopped in a shady area by the swamp on Surburban to take a break. David thought about the close proximity to the Anthony home and said, "You know, Roy, I think that little girl is in the swamp back there."
Roy agreed it was possible, and they talked about Casey's remark to her parents that Caylee was nearby. Roy got out of the truck and went into the woods a little ways to relieve himself. When he returned to the truck, another meter reader, Chris Gibson, was with David. Roy said, "Hey, guys, I saw a bag down there."

Chapter 47 - The Discovery (December 11)

"Roy spots black plastic bag with a round, dome-like protrusion."

"He called his route supervisor Alex Roberts. "I just found a skull. I need the police." He described the location.

"David Dean heard the exchange and remembered the spot where they'd found the large rattler. He pushed in the button and said, "I told you she was in there." Roy replied, "No, I told you." Belatedly, David realized it was stupid to say something like that over an open radio channel, and he did not respond.

 

[Leila]

Her family and real friends all said they didn't recognize this person in the jailhouse phone calls at all, that she would never let anything happen to Caylee or just go around not knowing where Caylee was and not do anything about it. They all said her personality when she was arrested appeared to be radically changed. Although they had known her to tell what they thought were white lies in the past, always about harmless things. They all said she loved Caylee and would never let harm come to her.

It sounds like many people were probably seeing the REAL Casey for the first time. I remember JG saying that Casey would be interested in whatever her current boyfriend was interested in. She acted a part in these relationships, pretending interest in baseball if that's what her boyfriend was interested in, not letting him see the real person.

With her family, I don't doubt that they knew the real Casey and covered up for her. Things that Cindy and George have said conflict with their cover-up attempts.

I don't think there was a personality change, just a matter of people seeing Casey as she really is.

 

[Hot Dogs]

Chapter 40

"That day (August 14) county meter reader

It was August 11.

David thought about the close proximity to the Anthony home and said, "You know, Roy, I think that little girl is in the swamp back there."
Roy agreed it was possible, and they talked about Casey's remark to her parents that Caylee was nearby.

Roy told the cops and Good Morning America that he himself deduced this would be a likely place for Caylee.

Roy said, "Hey, guys, I saw a bag down there."

He told them he saw a skull.

The author has some things wrong there.

 

[Kentjbkent]

It was August 11.

Roy told the cops and Good Morning America that he himself deduced this would be a likely place for Caylee.



He told them he saw a skull.

The author has some things wrong there.

You are correct (as is book). My typo. (My daughter's birthday is the 14th!)

 

[Kentjbkent]

It was August 11.



Roy told the cops and Good Morning America that he himself deduced this would be a likely place for Caylee.



He told them he saw a skull.

The author has some things wrong there.

I cannot substantiate her sources of information as she does not cite or give specific reference documents throughout book.

I was just trying to clarify your comment that you had not heard of the exchange between Kronk and the "unidentified voice" before...obviously, Daine Fanning had heard (or read) of it before.

 

[Kentjbkent]

It was August 11.



Roy told the cops and Good Morning America that he himself deduced this would be a likely place for Caylee.



He told them he saw a skull.
The author has some things wrong there.

Can you tell me when he told "them" (police and GMA?) that he saw a skull?

I just reread the 911 calls from August 11th and a skull is not mentioned at all.

If he made reference to the skull (to LE and GMA) after discovery in Dec, that would make sense as he DID claim to see a skull at that point.

 

[Jolynna]

Yes, I recommend to anyone to listen to this. He rattles off a list of reasons why he didn't pursue. He even says he was 100% sure it was a skull on Aug 11.

Car blew up.
Reunited with son.
Got insurance to pay.
Had to pay parents back.
Had to find a replacement car.
"I had real things to do."

And yet he was 99-100% sure it was a skull that he saw.

Ridiculous! :banghead:

It makes sense to me.

RK doesn't strike me as extremely confident about himself or anything else. He isn't a professional body finder. Cain, the professional LE, who should have at least looked around, ARGUED with him. I believe Cain told RK that it WASN'T possible for Caylee to have skeletonized so soon. IIRC, RK said Cain told him he couldn't have seen a skull.

 

[Leila]

http://www.wftv.com/caseyanthonyblog/index.html

Legal Analyst Bill Sheaffer on Casey Anthony Case
Witness for the Prosecution or Fall Guy for the Defense?

Thought it appropriate to place this here, as well as on the AL thread. Hope that's okay, Mods.

This certainly clarifies for me why AL and JB would submit a motion to the court to include information on RK, as a potential suspect. They, AL and JB, simply have no morals when it comes to truth. They don't care about truth and justice, only that the death penalty is not imposed on their client.

There is something very wrong with this...........they're using the justice system to create in-justice! In other words, they're using the justice system to destroy another individual, creating an in-justice, to achieve their goal.

They know their client, Casey Anthony, is guilty of murdering her daughter, Caylee. But their belief that the death penalty is wrong overcomes truth and justice.

 

[BeanE]

Whoa. I don't remember this part of Roy's call to OC dispatch on Dec. 11 (after finding Caylee).

Unknown voice to Roy: "I told you. I told you, Ray (Roy?)"
Roy: "No. I told you she was here."

He had already told people at the facility that Caylee was there in the woods?

YouTube- Broadcast Yourself. Short audio clip.

I thought that was someone there with Roy at the scene talking, rather than the dispatcher. I can't tell who's who though. The voices sound too similar to me.


ETA: sorry. I was trying to catch up on the thread. Now I've read the other posts. Disregard.

 

[Hot Dogs]

Can you tell me when he told "them" (police and GMA?) that he saw a skull?

He told his co-workers he saw a skull on Aug 11 (it's in my signature). On Dec 11, he told LE he saw a skull back on Aug 11th. I forget when he was on GMA, maybe January.

I just reread the 911 calls from August 11th and a skull is not mentioned at all.

Correct, and that pisses me off. He told his buddies it was a skull, but wouldn't use that word with the 911 operator. Later (dec/jan) he would tell the cops that he was 99.999% sure it was a skull back in August.

 

[Hot Dogs]

I thought that was someone there with Roy at the scene talking, rather than the dispatcher. I can't tell who's who though. The voices sound too similar to me.

Roy was alone when he found the skull on Dec 11.


So it seems that back on Aug 11th, David Dean told Roy that that particular section of woods would be where Caylee was located. He will be deposed next by the defense, yes?