2009.12.11 Tim Miller interview with OCSO

[Cat13067]

ITA with TotallyObsessed. GA is sad. I really think he wanted to tell TM everything, but just couldn't bring himself to do it. Then he just let CA tell him what to think, what to say, what to do . . .

I think I might know when the turning point was;right before KC came home for the last time. I think from that point on he said, felt, thought, whatever CA told him to.

I totally agree with you. The A's probably made a pact to be united, and they continue doing it to this day. JMO

 

[Cat13067]

Hello WS

Parts snipped from: Richard Grund's interview with LE
September 5th, 2008

RG: (snipped) ...When all this first happened ah, Jesse immediately went and volunteered to the family to start passing out fliers and I said, now you tell George I want to talk to him. I said, would you ask him a question for me? Why aren't you doing what ex-cops do? 'Cause I know what I would be doing, and ah, his answer to Jesse was tell your dad I want to talk to him. So that's Sunday, I think its the second Sunday of the vigil. I don't remember what the date was, ah, I left George a voice mail. I had decided I was gonna start calling in a few favors of friends in Military, law enforcement,(inaudible)things like that and see what we can do here. But I left the message for George and here was the message, "George, I'm getting ready to shake the trees to see if I can find Caylee, please tell me if anything I'm going to do is going to endanger her." George immediately called me(repeats: "immediately called me" after you hear some talking in the back ground) and said he wanted to talk to me, he wasn't avoiding me, here's the answer to your question as to why I'm not doing what you think I should be doing and he said, "because my wife doesn't want me to."
(skip)
RG: (snipped) ...The only thing I did hear her say that night that I think was interesting, she said it to my wife but I was standing right there she, the only thing she said that night that I felt was even human, was in truth was, "you know I could lose both my girls on this one."
LE: Hum
RG: First sign that she had a clue something was wrong.
LE: And did you discuss that with Lee with her in the room? How, how did she make that statement?
RG: She, ya know, my wife and her hit it off(inaudible)when the baby was born, ah, you know it did it came out of nowhere, it was one of those emotional, seeped out kind of things. Ah, but it stuck with me and my wife.
(skip)
RG: (snipped) ...Um, and I said you know George, wha, which, which what has your daughter gotten involved in? He goes, "ah, I don't know she's always had issues,"...that's always been, that's always his statement, Casey has issues. Um, at and then we talked about the smell in the trunk and I said if it's not Caylee, George, who is it? He goes ya know, "I don't know."
(skip)
RG: (snip) ...when we went over there to the family BBQ to introduce the families it was obvious who the lead dog was, the lead dog was Cindy, and whatever she wanted to have happen, happened and if she wanted Caylee to do something that's what got done. Uhm, I never, I never heard, the only thing I heard from Jesse is when the fights began the fights began over Caylee the fights began with "you love Caylee more than you love me, the only reason your marrying me is because of Caylee." So, this jealousy I'm hearing now makes sense 'cause she had it then.
(end)

I also think George was going to come clean in the very beginning, maybe for honorable reasons but mostly because he could see the writing on the wall and figured LE could too. But, somewhere along the way he bought into the cover-up as much as Cindy, IMHO. Unless George is waiting to tell the truth at trial(or told the truth to the GJ). (?)

After reading this thread on what TM had to say about those days, made me think of these sections of the RG interview.

1100 searches and TM says he has never had a family act like this, i.e. disinterested(putting it mildly) in finding their loved one. TM confirms, with authority, George and Cindy knew early on that Caylee was gone and that Casey was responsible. :twocents:

...JS...

CA probably told GA we need money coming in, so you better get on the CA money train or we will be in the poor house. Money makes people do horrible things.

 

[mikeysmommom]

WOW his interview is very intense. He gives fantastic insight as to the dynamics inside the home. It's also interesting that he notes in all of the searches he has done, a family has never acted like this. I think his testimony at trial is going to be very important.

Has Tim ever done a search like this before?Where the accused was the only daughter who lied to LE,parents and the Victim was their only grandchild? I am not be snarky ,first time I heard of TES was during Natalee so I do not know.

 

[The World According]

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyMjA2XVRH4[/ame]

 

[Cat13067]

Has Tim ever done a search like this before?Where the accused was the only daughter who lied to LE,parents and the Victim was their only grandchild? I am not be snarky ,first time I heard of TES was during Natalee so I do not know.

Well he has done over 1100 searches for missing persons. I guess you would need to ask Tim that question, but my feeling is most people cooperate with Tim.

 

[The World According]

Listen to Cindy threaten Tim, that woman has no shame.

Hysterical denial aside, she is way off the deep end, imo.

 

[The World According]

Has Tim ever done a search like this before?Where the accused was the only daughter who lied to LE,parents and the Victim was their only grandchild? I am not be snarky ,first time I heard of TES was during Natalee so I do not know.

Hello Mikey's mom, your name reminds me of a commercial . It was out when I was a kid, of three brothers with cereal I think, yes, Life cereal maybe and one brother turns to the other...give it to Mikey..he'll try anything! Remember that?

To answer your question, Mr. Miller has done one thousand searches since his beloved daughter Laura was missing and found dead. He says here , never in all of those searches has he ever, EVER been treated so poorly as he was by the Anthonys. Casey was cold as ice and never mentioned Caylee. If you have time watch parts one and two. The jury is going to find Mr. Miller very credible and if any of the defense attorneys try to make him out to be the bad guy on the stand, it will be a very unwise approach. The good hard working taxpayers on the jury are going to see Mr. Miller for what he is and feel wholly offended by people mistreating this dear, sweet man. I know I would.
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raHlPVJEabU[/ame]
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-P2NEQz17s[/ame]
You can probably count on one hand the number of people you truly trust, unconditionally, if they look you in your eyes and tell you something, you know it to be true.You are certain of it. Tim Miller is going to come across to the jurors as one of those type of people. When he testifies they wont be confused by junk science or battling experts, they will know this man is the truth. It is going to be one of the defining moments in the trial.
You don't tug on Superman's cape. You don't spit into the wind. You don't pull the mask off the old Lone Ranger, and you don't mess around with Tim!

 

[The World According]

Hello Mikeys mom, your name reminds me of a commercial when I was a kid, of three brothers with cereal I think, Life cereal maybe and one brother turns to the other...give it to Mikey..he'll try anything! Remember that?

To answer your question, Mr. Miller has done nearly one thousand searches since his beloved daughter Laura was missing and found dead. He says here , never in all of those searches has he ever, EVER been treated so poorly as he was by the Anthonys. Casey was cold as ice and never mentioned Caylee. If you have time watch parts one and two. The jury is going to find Mr. Miller very credible and if any of the defense attorneys try to make him out to be the bad guy on the stand, it will be a very unwise approach. The good hard working taxpayers on the jury are going to see Mr. Miller for what he is and feel wholly offended by people mistreating this dear sweet man.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raHlPVJEabU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-P2NEQz17s
You can probably count on one hand the number of people you truly trust, unconditionally, if they look you in your eyes and tell you something, you know it to be true.You are certain of it. Tim Miller is going to come across to the jurors as one of those type of people. When he testifies they wont be confused by junk science or battling experts, they will know this man is the truth. It is going to be one of the defining moments in the trial.
You don't tug on Superman's cape. You don't spit into the wind. You don't pull the mask off the old Lone Ranger, and you don't mess around with Tim!

O/T
OMG, you can find anything on youtube. Here it is: Americana
Hey Mikey! [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYEXzx-TINc[/ame]
God bless all the children Mr. Miller searches for with dignity and respect. Whatever Mikey is selling, I'll take two.

 

[essies]

<snipped>TM's entire interview pulled at my heart strings. I almost burst out crying when he realized he had to put up with this insanity of the family because Caylee suddenly occured to him ... Caylee. It was all for her. Cindy was the one that called him to get involved in the first place, he hadn't been following the case. And he easily could have turned around and hopped a plane back to Texas after Cindy kicked him out of the house (in essence for something GEORGE actually did by asking Casey to X the map!), but he couldn't get little Caylee off his mind.

He also said out of 1100 searches, there isn't a family that comes even to a close second to this one.

It was all about Caylee for Tim Miller and it should have been all about Caylee for the Anthony's!!:furious:
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u89TdWR519c[/ame]

 

[camcneishg]

I know in Tim's statement that he gave he said the A's were at the search command ctr once.....I was there the first weekend that TES came to search....they in fact showed up two days in a row.....Sat, they came, sat and ate, then CA stood up yelling "this is all a waste of time, we are outta here" something along those lines.....the next day they showed for about 15 min, got pizzed at a news man (think Ch.9), and took off.....thinking maybe Tim was out in the boat doing searches on that Sat, and did not see them there....I know he was there on Sunday when they stayed for about 10-15 min.......I also know that Beth H. came in for support for the A's, spent the day on Sunday with them....church, etc......would love to hear her take on the A's.....wonder if she has given a statement to LE...God bless this lady, her plate is so full!! just thought I would share....

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

Sorry I haven't read back yet, just had to get some thoughts out of my head...what an ungrateful family this has turned out to be...:banghead:

TM just instills in us what we all thought about this family. He has never come across a family with a missing loved one and met such resistance (but CA told RCummings, he shouldn't turn away help??). CA would not even give TM an article of Caylee's to use for scent to search. Baez won't allow anyone to question Inmate Anthony without him being present! This is all about a cover up...after the fact. CA does what she's always done, enable Inmate Anthony by covering for her..she trashed TM and claims he came to her under false pretenses.

I find interesting JHoover tells TM on November 8, 2008 he needs to search by Suburban due to a tip of Inmate Anthony's car being backed up in that location, a smell from the vehicle and buzzards overhead?? A week later, he's there with DC trying to locate Caylee's remains. Baez will look very bad at trial. He would not allow anyone to speak with Inmate Anthony regarding Caylee, so how the hell did he expect to get Caylee found if they were going on the premise of an alleged abduction and an alive Caylee. I do believe he was told the truth from Inmate Anthony and is also covering for Inmate Anthony, Baez is in this for publicity, not TM...:angel: Which is why he needed her bonded out, so he can make the money he did...awful when you think about that! I know defense attorneys need to spin things but come on, I see clearly now, Baez is in it for the money, the publicity this case gives him, not about a precious child who is allegedly murdered...shameful, IMO.

CA was steering things, she was in control and no one can tell her any different, you do as she says or you're trashed. You'd think she'd have put her faith in this organization instead of trashing it for trying to find Caylee. TM could have just walked away but that's not his style. He knew Caylee needed to be found but met resistance with CA. The best information coming out, is that the area was indeed underwater up until the day Caylee was ulitmately found. Inmate Anthony is the only one responsible, IMO..I can't wait for that video of her reactions to when Caylee's remains were found. At that time, no one knew for sure (although I felt it from the beginning, it was Caylee's remains) it was Caylee but her reactions will go to state of mind, knowing it was Caylee before anyone else did..I do hope it's unsealed for the trial.

I wonder why GA was circling the hotel. I believe he probably wanted to apologize for his wife and daughters behavior or he really needed to just get things off his chest, where they should look for Caylee and such. His detective friend from Ohio surely had Inmate Anthony pegged, eh? I truly feel bad for TM and his reputation could have been in question due to an ungrateful CA...thankfully, his reputation is pristeen, stellar and she will not disgrace TM!

CA is another pathological liar, IMO. I also remember when she felt her emails account got hacked into. She's a piece of work...:waitasec:

This case is truly one for the books...

No good deed goes unpunished, certainly holds true here. I do hope this doesn't put a bad light into any volunteers who want to participate in future searches..this is truly sad that people who donate their time to a good cause in finding the missing will come under fire for doing so. :furious:

 

[3doglady]

Hello WS

Parts snipped from: Richard Grund's interview with LE
September 5th, 2008


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(skip)
RG: (snipped) ...Um, and I said you know George, wha, which, which what has your daughter gotten involved in? He goes, "ah, I don't know she's always had issues,"...that's always been, that's always his statement, Casey has issues. Um, at and then we talked about the smell in the trunk and I said if it's not Caylee, George, who is it? He goes ya know, "I don't know."
(skip)


Respectfully snipped from Chiquita's post.

This the part that stood out for me. In one interview CE asked about the "historical chain of events as a child all they way through young adulthood."
I had thought KC's problems started in high school but the statement by GA and CE lead me to believe there have always been issues with KC. That would better explain the behavior of the A family. Lee probably grew up having to look out for his little sister because he knew she had problems. CA probably made sure he knew it was his duty. If CA knew that KC always had "issues" and tried to hide them, why oh why would she have ever trusted KC to care for Caylee? If CA ever admits KC is guilty,she has to take part of that blame. JMO

 

[strawberry]

I'm wondering if TM's attorney MN will let LP's comments go unanswered. LP blatantly accused TM of perjury, right? Isn't that slander?

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

BBM
YES IMO, they all knew including LEE, and did a cover up for KC.
Princess KC ruled next to Queen Cindy.
IMO, the family all needs to be in jail for fraud!

I think it may just happen. I to believe the sheriffs department held off on putting any charges on the rest of the family then for fear of outrage and this would have given more sympathy to them as grandparents. I think they need this to play out as it is and are racking up the charges, I do believe this is still an active investigation. It is showing the disgraceful attempt at covering up this murder. They are looking forward to perjury charges, possibly witness tampering, evidence tampering, fraud, obstruction, impeding an investigation...they've broken many laws but I think at trial or immediately after, there will be more arrested...Makes me sick, instead of holding Inmate Anthony responsible, they are still enabling her pathetic, selfish behavior and putting themselves at risk of being arrested. I love my children but would never, ever put myself in that position. They should have taken the high road, they shouldv'e stood side by side with LE and could have said, We don't know what happened to Caylee, we are in the dark as everyone but if it's found that my daughter had something to do with Caylee's demise, she will have to face her consequences..but noooooooo, they want everyone to perceive them as the all American June Cleaver family...how detrimental they are to themselves! :furious:

 

[cecybeans]

What interests me just as much as the X incident is that fact that JH when he signed up to search apparently knew exactly where people should look for Caylee.

I didn't get a clear idea of when he actually signed up -whether it was in Sept or if this was the last search that happened on Nov 7 - but either way, it certainly calls into question JH's statement that on Nov 15 - DC called him up and said he knew where Caylee was all of a sudden and that they should look.

If JH signed up on Nov 7 and knew where Caylee's remains could be found - that also calls into question a psychic story or any other ruse the defense may have wanted to use about why they would be looking there. It also makes it look as if JH might have volunteered so that Caylee could be found during one of TM's searches - to either distance the defendant or cast aspersions on whomever found her. The fact that JH and DC waited until a day or two after TM and LP cleared out of the area to go look, in specifically the place she was later found, now seems pre-planned in retrospect if this is true.

 

[Searchfortruth]

What interests me just as much as the X incident is that fact that JH when he signed up to search apparently knew exactly where people should look for Caylee.

I didn't get a clear idea of when he actually signed up -whether it was in Sept or if this was the last search that happened on Nov 7 - but either way, it certainly calls into question JH's statement that on Nov 15 - DC called him up and said he knew where Caylee was all of a sudden and that they should look.

If JH signed up on Nov 7 and knew where Caylee's remains could be found - that also calls into question a psychic story or any other ruse the defense may have wanted to use about why they would be looking there. It also makes it look as if JH might have volunteered so that Caylee could be found during one of TM's searches - to either distance the defendant or cast aspersions on whomever found her. The fact that JH and DC waited until a day or two after TM and LP cleared out of the area to go look, in specifically the place she was later found, now seems pre-planned in retrospect if this is true.

From the interviews, I gathered that JH went to the TES site on Nov 8th (the first day of the second search).

My question is, if JH knew on the 8th where the remains were at, why did he state that DC called him on the 15th saying he knew where Caylee was and that she was deceased ? Was it to cover for his trip to the TES site ? If JH already knew Caylee was out there off of Suburban, Dominic would have had no need to tell JH where she was.

After thinking about this, maybe JH overheard some of the A's/DC say something about the site and Caylee being there, but they didn't know he overheard (JH goes to TES on the 8th)...then DC calls JH on the 15th and says lets go to Suburban. Am I reaching ?

 

[snowdaze]

I would expect we should be hearing some kind of response from either MN or TM as to LP's statement that this never happened. I also remember LP going on record as saying he was asked to take a polygraph. Does anyone know if this ever occurred?

 

[Searchfortruth]

I would expect we should be hearing some kind of response from either MN or TM as to LP's statement that this never happened. I also remember LP going on record as saying he was asked to take a polygraph. Does anyone know if this ever occurred?

I never heard anything that confirms Leonard ever took a polygraph, I'd like to hear more about that. I hope MN says something about LP's latest statement on NG. Didn't he come out before in TM's defense when something was said on TV (I am forgetting parts of this case).

 

[USARDOG]

TM just instills in us what we all thought about this family.

Your post edited for brevity.

I don't remember it this way, I remember some posters being very angry with those of us who smelled a rat from the beginning. CA was one who made my skin crawl from the get go, and some were not very nice about what turned out to be true, CA is one piece of work.

 

[scratchthatitch]

Has Tim ever done a search like this before?Where the accused was the only daughter who lied to LE,parents and the Victim was their only grandchild? I am not be snarky ,first time I heard of TES was during Natalee so I do not know.

I am not TM nor do I know him, so this is JMO, but it would seem very likely that he has dealt with families (in 1100 searches) whom at one point in the investigation of their loved ones disappearance, have had to answer questions to rule themselves out as suspects.

Mr. Klaas (Father of Polly Klaas) has discussed many times that he expected the investigators to consider him suspect until he could be ruled out because family is always questioned first.

Unlike Casey, he embraced the process and basically stated: Polygraph me, question me, do whatever you have to do because I have nothing to hide. The faster investigators can rule me out, the sooner they can move on and find who did this to my child. Mr. Klaas was NOT involved in his daughter's disappearance and murder.

I would think it's more common than not, when dealing with these families (especially a missing child), you would come across a family member that had had suspicion cast upon them at one time or another. I think it's important to note that TM is NOT a private investigator nor LE. He searches for missing people (alive or dead) at the request of another person. He does not investigate the crime or a potential suspect-he attempts to bring home a loved one.

I think what's unique about Caylee's case is that TM was called in at all. He deals with families who desperately want a recovery. It's painfully obvious that Caylee's family was not interested in the skills he brought to the search- only the association of his name with the term, "VICTIM".JMHO

also, a quick note: I'm sure you did not mean to imply that "only daughter" and "only grandchild" somehow made this situation any more tragic than any other loss of a loved one. If you are new to Tim Miller, you might not be aware that his "only daughter", Laura, went missing in 1984 only to be found murdered months later..