2010.03.19 Indigent Status Granted

[Just Jayla]

Does the state have the right to see the documentation, JB submitted to JS? If so, can the state request more info if they are not happy with what was given?

I don't know if they will, the state has other pressing issues at hand as far as the actual trial-sorry to be glass half empty, but I am thinking it will take a little agitation from the media to get the state to persue this any further.

 

[sleutherontheside]

The financial management or mismanagement of the money already spent by the team would be an issue that the Florida Bar would investigate if deemed necessary. Sadly, there are many attorneys that do not budget or spend appropriately. The JAC is on alert from here forward and must review and approve all expenses going to "costs".

What has been spent thus far is not their concern. THey inquired about future deals or money anticipated to protect the State from paying for costs when there would be funds available for them. JS needed to see documentation PROVING there was no money left. What JB did with it will be considered as a separate matter if a complaint if filed to the appropriate parties.

 

[abbra]

One would think that Judge Strickland would now appoint a Public Defender to the case now that KC has been found to be indigent. I still can't believe Baez was paid as much as he was for " paperwork and time spent on the case." When my daughter was killed by a drunk driver and the lawyer I had screwed up the case, after it was settled his office sent me a bill for paperwork that closed the case. I called the firm up and told the lawyer I had, to kiss my arse, that he got enough of my daughters blood money from the low settlement, and that I wasn't going to pay him one more damn dime and if he persisted charging me extra I would make it known to the Press what he was doing. I never heard from him again.

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

Yes, I too believe that he wanted the money transactions to remain unexposed. Exposed, they put ABC, (the ever potential source of his income) and the As in a very bad light (eg., As can't pay their mortgage, huh?). Ultimately, he was protecting his own interests and trying to keep a lid on his shenanigans to the point of perjuring himself.

As for brokering the deal, I believe he did. But there will be a splitting of hairs spin on it as usual; he knows how to play the system (which seems to favour crooks anyway, IMO).

Semantics...he plays word games...I had to laugh at the bolded part, which is why it took Baez 8 years to be an attorny..LOL No doubt in my mind he's sheisty..

He did get his way to keep it quiet. Baez knew darn well he needed detailed accounting of how the money was spent for proof there is none left. So he gets to hand it in and is able to keep things hush hush for the most part.

I'm pretty sure, the grandparents got part of that deal, how much? The truth will never be told out of their mouths, so, hopefully someone will ask for the document, then doesn't it become part of the discovery documents and become public?

I also believe the foreclosure is on purpose..there is a method to CA's madness. See, we have no deals, we can't even afford our home!..yeah, right!

Shame that no one can believe a word this woman says, truly is sad..

 

[panthera]

IMO, whatever gets "donated" to her jail account for snacks should be put towards her defense costs.

I understand how you feel, but under FL law, even the indigent are allowed to have up to $2500. and still be "indigent". MOO

 

[FeelSoOld]

One would think that Judge Strickland would now appoint a Public Defender to the case now that KC has been found to be indigent. I still can't believe Baez was paid as much as he was for " paperwork and time spent on the case." When my daughter was killed by a drunk driver and the lawyer I had screwed up the case, after it was settled his office sent me a bill for paperwork that closed the case. I called the firm up and told the lawyer I had, to kiss my arse, that he got enough of my daughters blood money from the low settlement, and that I wasn't going to pay him one more damn dime and if he persisted charging me extra I would make it known to the Press what he was doing. I never heard from him again.

I am so very sorry to hear about your daughter. I can't even begin to imagine the pain you must feel.

It's my understanding though, that since KC has been found indigent, that she will be allowed to keep her current lawyers since the lawyer's themselves won't be paid if they make the decision to stay on. I could be wrong, but that's the way I read a few of the articles pertaining to the indigent status.

If I read this wrong, someone please correct me. This is all getting so tangled up and confusing to follow.

 

[sleutherontheside]

Here is the link to the JAC.....
http://www.justiceadmin.org/

There is lots of good info here.

Here is a link to the agreement JB will have to sign. http://www.justiceadmin.org/ind_for_cost/Notices/IFC%20Attorney%20Agreement%206-2-09.pdf


This document alone....will answer many questions and alleviate concerns that anyone may have about funding for KC's costs. For example....

Attorney shall not seek authorization from the court for out-of-state experts,
investigators, or mitigation specialists, absent a showing that there are no such
providers with appropriate skills or expertise available, first, in the county in which the
case was filed and, second, in any other county in the State of Florida. If Attorney
obtains an out-of-state due process provider without making such a showing, Attorney
agrees not to request reimbursement for any travel expenses including compensation
for travel time on behalf of the due process provider. In order to obtain reimbursement,
the order must contain a finding that a provider with appropriate skills or expertise was
not available in the State of Florida

 

[FeelSoOld]

I understand how you feel, but under FL law, even the indigent are allowed to have up to $2500. and still be "indigent". MOO

Blech. It just irritates me to know that KC can keep her commissary money and continue to order pens, paper, cosmetics, junk food, and whatever else the commissary sells.

I have to accept, though, that the law is the law and she's allowed to keep the money contributed to her commissary account. Doesn't make me any less angry, though. :banghead:

 

[Gypsy Road]

And George and Cindy keep depositing money into her jail account, yet they can't pay their mortgage. The jail feds her and gives her basic neccessities so it's not like she is going to starve or go without if the Anthony's don't deposit money. I just don't get their way of thinking. Pay your mortgage and stop subsidising Casey's make up and junk food habit!

 

[FeelSoOld]

Attorney shall not seek authorization from the court for out-of-state experts,
investigators, or mitigation specialists, absent a showing that there are no such
providers with appropriate skills or expertise available, first, in the county in which the
case was filed and, second, in any other county in the State of Florida. If Attorney
obtains an out-of-state due process provider without making such a showing, Attorney
agrees not to request reimbursement for any travel expenses including compensation
for travel time on behalf of the due process provider. In order to obtain reimbursement,
the order must contain a finding that a provider with appropriate skills or expertise was
not available in the State of Florida

Does this mean that the costs of Andrea Lyon, Henry Lee, and other out of state lawyers and experts will no longer be covered? Even though these experts claim to be working pro bono?

I'm still confused as to whether KC can keep these out of state lawyers and "expert witnesses". It was my understanding she COULD keep them but they would be paid nothing but their travel expenses?

Help! My brain is in overload here.

 

[TrialAddict]

"Strickland ruled that taxpayers now must pay all of Anthony's defense costs except for lawyer fees. That would include such major-ticket items as experts, investigators and her lawyers' travel expenses. She has lawyers from Chicago and New York, as well as Kissimmee and Orlando."

I am confused now

 

[FeelSoOld]

"Strickland ruled that taxpayers now must pay all of Anthony's defense costs except for lawyer fees. That would include such major-ticket items as experts, investigators and her lawyers' travel expenses. She has lawyers from Chicago and New York, as well as Kissimmee and Orlando."

I am confused now

Clown, it sounds like you answered my question to sleutherontheside.

Based on your post, the out of state attorneys and expert witnesses won't be paid for their time, but WILL be paid for travel costs.

That just irks me beyond belief. There are expert witnesses right in the state of Florida. Now that the taxpayers are footing the bill, KC should be forced to use the resources in Florida. :furious:

 

[sleutherontheside]

Does this mean that the costs of Andrea Lyon, Henry Lee, and other out of state lawyers and experts will no longer be covered? Even though these experts claim to be working pro bono?

I'm still confused as to whether KC can keep these out of state lawyers and "expert witnesses". It was my understanding she COULD keep them but they would be paid nothing but their travel expenses?

Help! My brain is in overload here.

"Strickland ruled that taxpayers now must pay all of Anthony's defense costs except for lawyer fees. That would include such major-ticket items as experts, investigators and her lawyers' travel expenses. She has lawyers from Chicago and New York, as well as Kissimmee and Orlando."

I am confused now

The "pro bono attorneys" may be reimbursed for travel expenses. BUT their costs must be approved meaning no first class flights and lobster dinners.
What are due process costs? http://www.justiceadmin.org/ind_for_cost/What%20are%20Due%20Process%20Costs.pdf
snip....
Travel costs for witness and pro bono counsel. Travel costs for privately retained
counsel are overhead expenses and are not reimbursable as due process costs.

Costs for "experts" will not be covered for out of State experts UNLESS JB can demonstrate he requested assistance from 3 IN STATE providers AND that no qualified IN STATE experts are available.


Folks.....I urge all of you with concerns to go to the JAC link. I think many will feel much better about where things stand.

 

[FeelSoOld]

Costs for "experts" will not be covered for out of State experts UNLESS JB can demonstrate he requested assistance from 3 IN STATE providers AND that no qualified IN STATE experts are available.

Thanks for your patience with my questions, sleutherontheside. I do have some comprehension problems when it comes to legal stuff.

From what I just quoted from you it sounds to me though as though JB would have to prove he attempted to procure expert witnesses within the state of Florida but none were available, or none were willing to get involved.

I'm so glad you're here and so knowledgeable.

I just wish so many legalities didn't fly right over my sometimes addled head.

 

[TrialAddict]

I have been sitting here all this time trying to figure out what JAC stood for :/

 

[sleutherontheside]

Thanks for your patience with my questions, sleutherontheside. I do have some comprehension problems when it comes to legal stuff.

From what I just quoted from you it sounds to me though as though JB would have to prove he attempted to procure expert witnesses within the state of Florida but none were available, or none were willing to get involved.

I'm so glad you're here and so knowledgeable.

I just wish so many legalities didn't fly right over my sometimes addled head.

Sadly the legal system IMO qualifies as a language of it's own. A combination of Latin, every other language, words that may or may not be fabricated entirely, and gibberish.

Legalities change day to day and are never set in stone so don't feel out of sorts. There is lots of good info out there and that's why I link to it. :dance:

 

[trixi491]

It is kind of nice to think KC used in front of her friends KC would talk and act like she was super rich (she said she paid her nanny $400 a week, thought $200,000 for a house was cheap, etc) and now she has to fess up to the the world that she doesn't have one cent to her name. Nice!

 

[sleutherontheside]

Here is a great link.......A 40 page Q&A http://www.justiceadmin.org/faq/Q&A.pdf

Common Questions & Answers
Regarding Payment of Attorney’s Fees, Due Process Costs, and
Related Expenses for Court-Appointed Counsel and Indigent for
Costs Cases
December 2009

I'll accept gifts and prizes with no hesitation. :wink:

 

[FeelSoOld]

I'll accept gifts and prizes with no hesitation. :wink:

Not fair! OMG! That was funny. But you owe me a keyboard since I just spewed coffee on my old one! ut em up:

 

[TrialAddict]

State statue allocates $15,000 in public money for indigent defendants to fight capital cases. But they're usually tried by court-appointed attorneys

That will be used up fast