2010.04.13 Theories thread as a result of the search

[Kenziema]

Here's what I think happened:

Misty was home with the kids. They were in bed- Misty was sleeping and the kids were watching a movie.
Joe & Tommy show up (intoxicated) and start rummaging around looking for Ron’s gun. They don’t find it, and Tommy leaves.
Joe starts flipping out, yelling at Misty asking her where the gun is. She says she doesn’t know.
Joe grabs Haleigh, and tells Misty that when Ron gives him the gun, he’ll give Haleigh back. Joe leaves in the van.
Misty calls Ron freaking out, Joe took Haleigh, won’t give her back until you give him the gun. Ron tells Misty to call the police and report her missing. They can’t tell them they know who took her because that would get Ron in trouble for having the gun.
In the mean time, Joe takes Haleigh to the docks- one of the only places he is familiar with because he doesn’t live in the area.
Misty calls Tommy and tells him Joe took Haleigh and to go find him.
Tommy goes to the docks knowing Joe will be there. He tells him that he needs to give Haleigh back because Ron will kill him and Misty already called the police. Joe panics and kills Haleigh. He tells Tommy if he tells anyone, he’ll kill his family too. Joe goes to the van, pulls out the yellow rope and ties it around Haleigh. He knows this won’t hold her down so he sends Tommy back in the van to get the cinder blocks.
By the time Ron gets home, no one knows where Haleigh, Tommy, or Joe are.

 

[Indiana at Heart]

130 Magnolia Drive appears to be the residence of Hank Sr and Lisa Croslin at the time of Haleigh's disappearance. Hank Sr was in the hospital as a result of an auto accident and that is the address he gave to the hospital.

I never did understand how we got the address. The hosptial gave that out?

 

[doobiedoo52]

I never did understand how we got the address. The hosptial gave that out?

It was on the document (that is public information)--concerning the filing of a lien by the hospital on H & L for nonpayment.

 

[Indiana at Heart]

It was on the document (that is public information)--concerning the filing of a lien by the hospital on H & L for nonpayment.

Thank You. I guess I missed that in all these threads.

 

[suspicious1]

Almost, I'm getting confused here. I thought Orlando was the black guy that was Ron's best friend and was at the tent with him a couple of times. Do I have this wrong? tia

Yes Orlando was Ron's best friend. He left the picture pretty quickly too. While we talk about how fast Jo left the picture...look how fast his best friend left the picture. Why did his best friend just leave him like that, especially in his time of need? I think Orlando found out what happened and he distanced himself from Ron....Why if Ron had nothing to do with it?

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

Didn't RC have a polygraph done? I understand they can't be used for trial but it gives LE a sense of who they need to focus on.

Isn't it MC who keeps taking these LDT over and over again. I would think if LE felt RC was involved, they would apply pressure as they have with the Croslins. Now ToC has failed his. I understand RC is no saint, he's broken many laws but I truly feel he wasn't involved in HaLeigh's alleged abduction, MC was the last one in charge, IMO. I do believe he had a sense of who and why but I doubt he is physically involved in HaLeigh's demise. JMHO


Justice for HaLeigh!

 

[tehcloser]

Didn't RC have a polygraph done? I understand they can't be used for trial but it gives LE a sense of who they need to focus on.

Isn't it MC who keeps taking these LDT over and over again. I would think if LE felt RC was involved, they would apply pressure as they have with the Croslins. Now ToC has failed his. I understand RC is no saint, he's broken many laws but I truly feel he wasn't involved in HaLeigh's alleged abduction, MC was the last one in charge, IMO. I do believe he had a sense of who and why but I doubt he is physically involved in HaLeigh's demise. JMHO


Justice for HaLeigh!

Yes, he said he had one, and he said he and Misty both passed.......so, lol, TIFWIW.

 

[snowshuze]

Didn't RC have a polygraph done? I understand they can't be used for trial but it gives LE a sense of who they need to focus on.

Isn't it MC who keeps taking these LDT over and over again. I would think if LE felt RC was involved, they would apply pressure as they have with the Croslins. Now ToC has failed his. I understand RC is no saint, he's broken many laws but I truly feel he wasn't involved in HaLeigh's alleged abduction, MC was the last one in charge, IMO. I do believe he had a sense of who and why but I doubt he is physically involved in HaLeigh's demise. JMHO


Justice for HaLeigh!

Didn't Ronald "lawyer up" and not speak to LE for MONTHS after his polygraph?

 

[Emma Peel]

We have a homicide, per LE. The homicide of a 5 year old girl. This means murder, (or manslaughter).

(Not a purely accidental death - LE has some information, evidence, something which, apparently moves them to call it homicide.)

I had to look some definition stuff up - as there are a variety of different classifications of homicide. Caveat: I didn't use the actual law to get these definitions - (not being a lawyer, I just checked on-line resources.)

Variety of types of homicide, starting with classification of Murder vs. Manslaughter. Manslaughter being "less culpable" than Murder.

Under Manslaughter we have Voluntary and Involuntary. Under involuntary, we have Constructive Involuntary. Constructive Involuntary means that in the commission of ANOTHER crime, the victim was unintentionally killed. We also have Criminally Negligent Manslaughter a.k.a. Criminally Negligent Homicide.

Point being, there could be so many possible Homicide scenarios here, including recklessness, negligence, a weapon, firearm, vehicle, or anything involving another simultaneous crime (including overdose of illegal drugs - I would imagine).

Combine that with the fact that, given what we know, we have several possible perps. Each of which has proven themselves to be capable of committing any number of felony crimes, from theft to drug-related crime. Add to that the possibility and implication (by Misty, not necessarily in fact), and via talk-show rumor (refer to Levi's latest show) of pedophilia.

I'm not going to post a theory here now. I was just thinking through last night's announcement and what that word "Homicide" could mean regarding Theory and Motive. And I came up with too much to type. (Which also explains how long this thread is.)

*shakes head*

With this group, the possible permutations and combinations under which Haleigh's death could be labeled a homicide, combined with the possible number of perps, seems to be quite endless.

If I'm off base on any of the thinking above, please add your thoughts. I'm no lawyer.

One question that did occur to me as I was looking up what can be considered "homicide". Could this still involve reckless/negligent overdosing of Haleigh, even though it's a homicide?

Another question is - could anyone who was responsible for Haleigh's well being that night, and simultaneously participating in a criminal activity - could they be charged with Haleigh's homicide even if they had no intent or control with regard to putting her in her final harms way?

Finally we have the crimes of Accessory & Conspiracy to ruminate upon. How long is the potential list of accessories & conspirators with regard to Haleigh's homicide? It boggles this mind.
Poor Haleigh. A statistician is required to calculate the possible reasons and ways her life could have ended early. RIP sweet girl.

 

[suspicious1]

Didn't Ronald "lawyer up" and not speak to LE for MONTHS after his polygraph?

Yep. He sure did.

 

[jessigirl]

(My experience and my instincts tell me that Ron is involved.If I'm wrong I'll be woman enough to admit.)

BBM
We are all entitled to our opinions and these are mine on the subject. :innocent:

Where did you get the info that Ron would not talk to LE? I have followed this since the beginning and have never ever heard LE even begin to imply nor indicate even remotely of RCs refusal to speak or cooperate. In fact LE has always said quite the opposite.

And yes, we are all entitled to our own opinions. Mine has stood firm that RC was not involved in Haleighs murder or cover up. And throughout that opinion has gotten me some harsh criticism. So, I welcome your opinion and believe that no matter who we feel may be the guilty party,that each of us are all here for the same goal and that is justice for little Haleigh. Whoever involved my hope is they will be dealt with swift justice.

 

[debs]

Where did you get the info that Ron would not talk to LE? I have followed this since the beginning and have never ever heard LE even begin to imply nor indicate even remotely of RCs refusal to speak or cooperate. In fact LE has always said quite the opposite.

And yes, we are all entitled to our own opinions. Mine has stood firm that RC was not involved in Haleighs murder or cover up. And throughout that opinion has gotten me some harsh criticism. So, I welcome your opinion and believe that no matter who we feel may be the guilty party,that each of us are all here for the same goal and that is justice for little Haleigh. Whoever involved my hope is they will be dealt with swift justice.

LE was quoted in the local papers as saying that they'd been trying for 6 months to get Ron and Misty in to discuss the case, and were resisted. This timeline would be from around the time they got married, through August.

 

[Dee10]

LE was quoted in the local papers as saying that they'd been trying for 6 months to get Ron and Misty in to discuss the case, and were resisted. This timeline would be from around the time they got married, through August.

I definitely remember that it was when PCSO gave the update & the quotes were in the local paper. I have the copy, I will have a look.

 

[suspicious1]

LE was quoted in the local papers as saying that they'd been trying for 6 months to get Ron and Misty in to discuss the case, and were resisted. This timeline would be from around the time they got married, through August.

Thanks Deb, I went looking for the article and couldn't find it.lol

 

[dodie20]

One of the things that has bugged me about this is that Misty changed her story about Haleigh's clothing. Why would she point out her mistake, after finding the blouse, if she had something to hide? Wouldn't it have been easier to say nothing? & why would she have lied about the clothes to begin with? She could've just said what Haleigh was really wearing. Was she so messed up that she didn't know? Was she asleep & someone else changed her clothes? Why would they do that? in case they were stopped by cops, they wanted her fully dressed? or maybe during an altercation, they changed Haleigh, but a panicked Misty forgot?

 

[RhythmicSun]

One of the things that has bugged me about this is that Misty changed her story about Haleigh's clothing. Why would she point out her mistake, after finding the blouse, if she had something to hide? Wouldn't it have been easier to say nothing? & why would she have lied about the clothes to begin with? She could've just said what Haleigh was really wearing. Was she so messed up that she didn't know? Was she asleep & someone else changed her clothes? Why would they do that? in case they were stopped by cops, they wanted her fully dressed? or maybe during an altercation, they changed Haleigh, but a panicked Misty forgot?

If they were dealing with a dead body Haleigh could have soiled herself, resulting in clothing needing to be changed. Don't remember if that came out of any forensics testing of clothing at the home the night of the incident.

 

[PorcineGranny]

It crossed my mind that during this situation Haleigh was stripped of clothing and was nude when she was taken to the dock. There she was tied up and tossed into the water. Now you realize sometimes when people get together and they are doing evil they will band together and do horrendous things. It is feasible that Misty hit Haleigh in the head with something and she was at the dock also. Its like they are in the moment of the situation.

Now as for Ron being involved, it is only common sense that he has involvement although we are not sure what it is. It is just not within the realm of reality that if my child disappeared while someone was with her that I would then marry that person and protect them. This story has not be fully told yet and to those that think Ron has always cooperated with authorities, I say get real. He went out of his way not to cooperate and protect Misty. And for gosh sakes why would he send a headless rat to Tommy if Tommy was suspected of killing or knowing who killed his child? As terrible as these revelations are I gotta tell you I am dumbfounded over them but I can see a group,on drugs, wild, in a frenzy taking the life of an innocent over this. You have to weigh whats important in their lives. I am just sick and these are my opinions only.

 

[MADJGNLAW]

Where did you get the info that Ron would not talk to LE? I have followed this since the beginning and have never ever heard LE even begin to imply nor indicate even remotely of RCs refusal to speak or cooperate. In fact LE has always said quite the opposite.

And yes, we are all entitled to our own opinions. Mine has stood firm that RC was not involved in Haleighs murder or cover up. And throughout that opinion has gotten me some harsh criticism. So, I welcome your opinion and believe that no matter who we feel may be the guilty party,that each of us are all here for the same goal and that is justice for little Haleigh. Whoever involved my hope is they will be dealt with swift justice.

Maj. Gary Bowling, said detectives would like to interview Cummings again but have been resisted. Six months into the unsolved disappearance.

Haleigh's family remains divided 6 months later
"Snip" By Dana Treen Aug. 18, 2009

http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-08-09/story/haleighs_family_remains_divided_6_months_later
Cummings: It went ‘personal’

In recent interviews at Sykes’ Welaka home where Ronald Cummings, 25, and his wife live, he told the Times-Union the Putnam County Sheriff’s Office focus was shortsighted.

Standing outside wearing T-shirts with Haleigh’s likeness, Ronald and Misty Cummings said they gave dozens of hours of interviews in February and March, including her longest, which she said occurred just before the couple were married.

“I think the longest time I was in there was eight hours,” she said.

Ronald Cummings said the investigation went in the wrong direction.

“They took a child-abduction investigation and made it a personal investigation,” he said. “Instead of keeping the focus on finding Haleigh, they made the focus on Misty and what she was doing one weekend and what happened six months ago and what happened seven years ago. It was tunnel vision.”

Cummings has cut off interviews with investigators.

“Besides ‘No I didn’t have nothing to do with my child being missing,’ what do you say?” he asked.

Maj. Gary Bowling, director of law enforcement for the department, said detectives would like to interview Cummings again but have been resisted.

The interviews with Misty Cummings have produced different pictures, he said. She was alone with Cummings’ children the night Haleigh disappeared. She has told authorities she woke up about 3 a.m. and found the 5-year-old missing.

“We’ve said from day one Misty’s story is absolutely filled with inconsistencies,” Bowling said.

 

[dodie20]

If Joe didn't do this, I hope LE comes down HARD on Tommy. Ever since he put himself @ that trailer, I've had a theory about him. He'll give an inch when he's got a mile. When he admitted that he knocked on that door, I knew that he went in. If he had admitted going in, that trailer, he did something else, etc...He has now made himself a witness to a body being dumped. So, following my 'inch/mile' theory, what is he leaving out now? What did he REALLY do? WHAT THE FREAKING HE**0? Something is seriously wrong with that dude. If LE has gotten real leads & real evidence from Tommy, I don't pity him. because he has sealed his own fate. Misty pointed the finger @ Joe & Tommy early on. Maybe she was gone, (spit it out *****), maybe she was royally doped up, maybe she really was asleep, but she knows. 4 failed lie detectors & counting prove it. Put that whole dysfunctional bunch in a room together, & let the accusations & fists fly, because I'm ready for somebody to feel something besides self-preservation.

 

[dodie20]

One more thing, if Tommy &/or Joe is responsible... Misty said the door was unlocked, Ron said it was. My thinking is that Ron locked the door, & either Misty unlocked it to sneak off, or Tommy or Joe unlocked it in preparation, & Misty found out when they busted in. I'm wondering if this is a piece of corraborating evidence for LE?