2010.04.14 Search scene now a CRIME scene-Misty to testify against perp in plea deal

[krt]

BBM:

In my experience, when an already jailed inmate is charged with a new charge, he/she is brought down to Booking and rebooked on the new charge only. So the other booking still stands, and the new booking is on the new charge.

It is pretty much the same as an arrest, except the inmate was already in custody.

I want to be clear that it is my experience as in work, not as an inmate! :innocent:

BBM

Surrrrrrrrrrrrrrrre lalaw! :angel:

 

[LaLaw2000]

I think the only way I would believe Misty is if she says it was Ron that held the knife to her throat, or a gun to her head.....to me it just fits....the headless rat....TN: "do you think she will talk?"......"there are snitches in there".....all MO....

I agree, camcneishg!

That is the only way I would believe her also.

**now i will not post again until I have finished catching up on all of the posts so as not to interrupt the flow!

 

[trigger]

Same thing went through my mind when I read that. Sounds like a cooked up story between the 2 Croslins. They tell Gma and know that she'll go to the police because it implicates someone other than the 2 that are in jail. That way neither is the initial snitch.

I have a feeling everyone is being duped by a cooked up story.

I hope LE didn't fall for their LIES....Was it just me or ..didn't LE look like he was kind of yelling at Misty on the dock???

Im hoping LE set this whole scenario up like a sting. (I have The FBI Files on TV...they just did one.) Anyway LE can't be that stupid, right?

I wish we could find out what questions she was asked when doing the LDT..Misty did you kill Haleigh...Did RC? Did you put her body in a car...Did you put her body in a boat..Did you put her in the water....BINGO...

 

[Bipolar Express]

Wonder if Lindsey Collins (maiden name she is using on myspace now) has been to see Tommy in the last couple of days?

..Im leaning towards ToC in this whole thing. MC would protect him and throw JO to the wolves to protect him, and so it seems, would "grandma". It would make sense since she has pointed the finger at JO before. ToC has been known to break into houses....he was pounding on the door that night according to him and MC didnt answer. Maybe Hayleigh answered....recognizing his voice, and MC was too out of it to realize what happened at first, the whole "dream like state" and all. Maybe ToC had his way with Hayleigh, (on the couch-hence RCjr statements). JO had been in town and at the MH, so he is an easy scape goat.....whatever the answer is, I feel it is at least one of these three, MC, JO or ToC...but Im leaning toward ToC.

 

[Concerned Papa]

at the very least, they could say they found a gun they could trace to Ron. What I'd need to see is how they'd tie that gun to Haleigh.

What we know is this search is directly related to Haleigh's case, not an ancillary crime.

Debs, I've been gone all day and ran across your post. Is there some other gun that's now in the mix? The gun from the "yes there was/no there wasn't" fight with Joe was found in the culvert at Misty's brother's house when RC told her where to look, wasn't it?

 

[Wise Old Owl]

I hope LE didn't fall for their LIES....Was it just me or ..didn't LE look like he was kind of yelling at Misty on the dock???

Im hoping LE set this whole scenario up like a sting. (I have The FBI Files on TV...they just did one.) Anyway LE can't be that stupid, right?

I wish we could find out what questions she was asked when doing the LDT..Misty did you kill Haleigh...Did RC? Did you put her body in a car...Did you put her body in a boat..Did you put her in the water....BINGO...

Ya know - you are spot on right about those LDT questions. One would think after FOUR failures the questions would have gotten more "specific".

I would like to think that LE has been "playing a game" with all these "players". Let's all continue to pray that they win.

I had a thought earlier - been replaying the beginning of this mess in my own mind. Remember there was a time that J. Merchant took RC off (I remember a picture of them sitting on a dock!) And it was at that meeting that RC gave JM a handwritten piece of paper. I don't remember what was the outcome of that paper (what it was about or said - kinda remember it might have been a list of names type thing). But, where was THAT dock? WHAT was on that paper?

 

[debs]

Debs, I've been gone all day and ran across your post. Is there some other gun that's now in the mix? The gun from the "yes there was/no there wasn't" fight with Joe was found in the culvert at Misty's brother's house when RC told her where to look, wasn't it?

well, that's what I thought, but people are discussing perhaps they found a gun in the river (or are searching for one in the river) ......

In my opinion, this would be determined to be a crime scene with as little as finding Haleigh's blood on the boards of that dock.

 

[Leila]

A lot of things just don't add up. If this current search effort is an elaborate scheme cooked up as a means to get out of jail/get reduced sentences, why would LE declare the search site a "crime scene", and call the family together to appraise them of the situation? They didn't do this with other searches or when they searched the pond.

I don't think LE is easily duped into believing a phony story and acting on it as they've acted on this one.

I think LE has something, other than what they've been told by any of the players in this, that's behind the current search.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

Something had to have been found Sunday in the search for them to call it a crime scene. There were no reporters there Sunday to ask if they had found anything. Back in the Peterson case I remember reading a lot on searches in water for bones and they go downstream as the bodies start decaying and breaking up. These searches seem to be staying in the same spot.

 

[Bipolar Express]

Just thinking about something...and I apologize if its already been discussed, but if JO is innocent and he knows or is being told that the other two are pointing fingers at him, and IF he knows the truth...wouldnt he blurt out the truth to save his own skin? I think he would out of hurt, anger, and self preservation, he would tell him what he knows. If he is still saying he doesnt know, then either he really doesnt or he is guilty. Just a thought.

 

[WillenFan21]

Does anyone else think they might have solid evidence against someone else? I find it very odd that that Misty is striking a plea deal and testifying against someone else. Also you need to have solid proof that someone committed a crime and if an arrest is imminent for someone else then they obviously have evidence.

 

[trigger]

Ya know - you are spot on right about those LDT questions. One would think after FOUR failures the questions would have gotten more "specific".

I would like to think that LE has been "playing a game" with all these "players". Let's all continue to pray that they win.

I had a thought earlier - been replaying the beginning of this mess in my own mind. Remember there was a time that J. Merchant took RC off (I remember a picture of them sitting on a dock!) And it was at that meeting that RC gave JM a handwritten piece of paper. I don't remember what was the outcome of that paper (what it was about or said - kinda remember it might have been a list of names type thing). But, where was THAT dock? WHAT was on that paper?

I forgot about that but we never did find out.... but one day will.. Yes what dock...

 

[Emma Peel]

Everybody's talkin' and everybody's being- re-interviewed... 'cept Ron.

Everybody's motivated, everybody's got leverage to cut deals. Everybody ... 'cept Ron.

Why?

Because, he's either completely involved,
or
He's completely out of it.

IMO, He's known Haleigh's dead, and he had plenty of time to shake this close group of quasi-relatives of his down while he was free. Instead, they dealt and did drugs together. I don't think he's completely out of it.

And, I don't think Ron's the tipster.

With Joe giving TV interviews instead of laying low,

What role is left for Ron to play?

Grieving father? (somebody forgot to give him those cue cards.)

or Suspect?


I wonder if Tommy lied, got caught lying, caved. Misty was given her chance to correct her story, stuck with the Joe line BUT cut a deal to bring Haleigh's remains home. Joe was re-interviewed, Tommy's new (true?) story fits Joe's. So Tommy tipped, Misty thinks she & Tommy are on the same page, and Ron's feeling smug about Joe going down. When in reality, Misty & Tommy confirm remains location, Tommy & Joe confirm real story, and Ron is still waiting for his cue card.

hmmmmm...

every day, something new to mull over.

 

[yeknomaras]

..Im leaning towards ToC in this whole thing. MC would protect him and throw JO to the wolves to protect him, and so it seems, would "grandma". It would make sense since she has pointed the finger at JO before. ToC has been known to break into houses....he was pounding on the door that night according to him and MC didnt answer. Maybe Hayleigh answered....recognizing his voice, and MC was too out of it to realize what happened at first, the whole "dream like state" and all. Maybe ToC had his way with Hayleigh, (on the couch-hence RCjr statements). JO had been in town and at the MH, so he is an easy scape goat.....whatever the answer is, I feel it is at least one of these three, MC, JO or ToC...but Im leaning toward ToC.

Respectfully, I don't agree that MC would protect Tommy - she threw him under the bus with the whole burglary thing, and then tells her dad "Worry about me first" when they were talking about getting them both out of jail. MC is only worried about saving one thing, and that's her own butt.

 

[tlcya]

a post from another related thread I am reposting here.

ITA DrFessel! That is the only reason I can figure that they are STILL searching today, thursday. If they were simply searching based off of a tip (statement) and, to date, had found nothing - MOO is that they would be scaling back the search or moving slightly up or downriver by now. They have not.

This plus the hightech equipment and the anthropology/forensics vehicles makes me believe something has indeed already been found. Maybe not a body, but something that is enought o make them pretty sure there is more to find and keep searching THAT SPECIFIC AREA, not 100 yards down river, not 50 yard upriver, but RIGHT THERE.

 

[Bipolar Express]

Respectfully, I don't agree that MC would protect Tommy - she threw him under the bus with the whole burglary thing, and then tells her dad "Worry about me first" when they were talking about getting them both out of jail. MC is only worried about saving one thing, and that's her own butt.

Thats a good point...she did throw him under for the burglary thing. What a crazy family.....

 

[Wise Old Owl]

And I'll add to that tlcox - whatever they are looking for or have been told is there - it had to have been weighed down - either that or tethered - for them not to move in the direction of current.

A gun is pretty "weighty" in the water and wouldn't move that much. I don't think it was tethered because they might have found the "yellow rope" that was tied to it - but then they would move further downstream as the "tether" was broken.

So, IDK - I have noticed too how they seemed focused on right there at the end of the boat slip and off to the one side. We aren't seeing what they are doing at night with the side sonar or radar boats, so they could be searching further out.

 

[MADJGNLAW]

I wonder? What if things happen as Misty said? Except it was not Joe?
What if it was Ron playing his stupid game of Russian Roulette because he was upset with Misty over her taking off again that Monday night? What if what ever happen, happen outside of the MH? LE has never really given us the true hrs Ron was at work. Or maybe Haleigh got into some of Ron's and Misty's stash of drugs. During the 911 call it sounded like someone was cleaning opening cupbards during the call. Then Ron hangs up on the 911 operator. Makes no sense! He made over 90 calls that night...that is a sign of desperation. IMO

Ron said over and over again he would kill who ever was responsible. Alway making threats, abusing CS, Amber, and even Misty. Ron likes to play Russian roulette from what Nay Nay and others said? They all talked about how Ron would do these crazy things. Then Tim tells us about Ron putting the riffle in his mouth in front of Jr. Early on there was an interview that Ron's attorney said LE had taken all of Ron's guns in fear he would shoot the perp that took Haleigh. We later learn Ron has guns again? I really wonder if Misty is truly afraid of Ron and in that strange deep love faze. Kind of like the girls that followed that sick guy from TX.

http://www.artharris.com/2009/10/15...mmings-dad-probed-by-child-welfare/#more-3238

Cummings lawyer, Terry Shoemaker, told Nancy Grace producers that police had confiscated all Cummings guns long ago. In fact, sources close to the investigation tell me police did seize Cummings’ guns the day his then girlfriend, Misty Croslin, reported Haleigh missing in Feb.“They did take them as a precaution, in case Haleigh’s body was found,” a source close to the case told me Wednesday, “so if she died of a gunshot wound, they could rule Ronald’s guns in or out as the source of any bullet.”
After his guns were taken, sources tell us Cummings bragged that he bought more guns. It was unclear whether any where found Tuesday during a DCF visit to his grandmother’s trailer, where he once shared a bedroom with Misty and Junior, but he discussed his reverence for guns with private investigator Williams Staubs, aka Cobra, when we both met Cummings in a Welaka park last March.
When Cobra mentioned he was licensed to carry a machine gun, I remember that Ronald begged to see it, and grew wide-eyed as the beefy self-proclaimed hillbilly PI who remains passionate about finding Haleigh, opened his trunk and took it out. I was riding shotgun that day (unarmed).
Since deputies did not fill out an official report Tuesday after visiting Cummings trailer, and DCF findings are confidential, it was unclear if any guns were found.

 

[Emma Peel]

Also still wondering if the other river search had something to do with Haleigh. Did I miss any reported information regarding the fruits of THAT search? The talk of guns above reminded me of that search.

With the anthropology unit at the crime scene for 2 days (? I think 2 days now?) - I'm hoping for remains rather than just a gun at that location. Although a gun tied to Ron there would work for me too.

 

[gibby207]

Something had to have been found Sunday in the search for them to call it a crime scene. There were no reporters there Sunday to ask if they had found anything. Back in the Peterson case I remember reading a lot on searches in water for bones and they go downstream as the bodies start decaying and breaking up. These searches seem to be staying in the same spot.

Yes. No repoter has yet to ask if they found anything on Sunday. Hmm. But why bring Misty out then?