2010.04.20 - Funeral plans?

[Muffet]

I KWIM, but then again, I try not to think that hard. I added to my post. The quotes about "it's just a matter of time" from Bowling & Hardy are also rather non-committal.

All I'm getting from all of this is that the case has officially moved to homicide classification because SOMEONE (or several someones) has/have offered that they witnessed that Haleigh was dead.

I think you're right...

After that, it's like asking Dorothy's scarecrow which yellow-brick path to take.

...and hoping not to wind up down another rabbit hole... :hypno:

 

[doobiedoo52]

Hardy "confirmation" regarding NO human remains found from PDN article today.

"A three-day search encompassed portions of the St. Johns River off the Shell Harbour boat ramp in Satsuma last week, prompting a flock of national media attention. Several items were pulled from the area and have been sent to labs for individual analysis. It is unknown whether the items are related to Haleigh's disappearance, however Hardy confirmed that no human remains were found. ... Hardy stated last week that he believes "it is a matter of time" before the case is solved. "I think that's true," Bowling said. "We are working diligently toward it. We are going to keep investigating it diligently. I also think it is a matter of time." ..."

http://www.palatkadailynews.com/articles/2010/04/20/news/news01.txt

(I had not seen this posted or quoted yet...)

Thanks for the voice of reason in this mess, Emma. So we have NO HUMAN REMAINS FOUND. I don't think I could go ahead with any funeral plans if there is NOTHING other than this group's story to go on. JMO

 

[CN2Souls]

My humble opinion is this::blushing:

They may have found items that fit with what the stories they are being told, along with MAYBE something someone has identified, or looks like belonged to Haleigh.
However, I have worked on case where many, many thing were found at a site and still the person was not dead..
The site had been staged to look like the person had died.
Nevertheless, I do not think they would tell a family to start funeral arrangements on these findings.:waitasec:

 

[Jetaime]

Thanks for the voice of reason in this mess, Emma. So we have NO HUMAN REMAINS FOUND. I don't think I could go ahead with any funeral plans if there is NOTHING other than this group's story to go on. JMO

..Unless there was a confession--- along with eyewitness statement/s and substantial [physical or circumstantial] evidence to back it up.

 

[lishac23]

Hey all...I think one of the key questions I have as maybe do a lot of others is the whole "if there's no body wouldn't be a memorial and not a funeral?" So I did a little research and found that funeral services can still be held absent a body and/or remains. It has been done quite often in fact, most commonly in situations of natural disasters, tragic events such as 911 or OKC bombing, where recovery of a body/remains can be difficult next or impossible. Funerals are designed for the families of the deceased to honor his/ her life, say goodbye, etc.... and its a way of bringing the family closure. Even without the presence of a body/remains, families still wish to proceed with a funeral service.

By no means do I think this is exactly what is happening with this case, I just though it might help answer my question. It is possible that nothing of Haleigh has been found, but that LE is confident she is no longer alive.

 

[Emma Peel]

Haleigh and her loved ones can now remember, honor and celebrate her little life and all the joy she surely did bring them.

And frankly, I don't give a damned what they call that celebration.

RIP Haleigh - may your angels comfort your family and bring them strength.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I kind of wonder if the "planning a funeral" statement could have been one made by some investigator or another and then overheard and repeated by someone when it shouldn't have been. Maybe evidence of a murder- but not a body- was found and LE knew it was getting close or was right on top of a conviction and someone made the comment that the family could start planning a funeral soon, and someone else took it and ran with it. Hasn't the comment been credited to a few different sources at this point?

Hardy is the only one that has said he spoke personally with all of Haleigh's family and out of respect for the family he was going to keep what was said between him and them.

imo

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I'm thinking that still doesn't preclude small bones or fragments sent to the lab for DNA testing after an anthropologist confirmed that they were possibly human though, KWIM?

One thing is for certain if LE wants to phrase something and be evasive they certainly do know how to word it.

I keep thinking about Tommy being brought to the dock the day before Misty was brought there and the media had no clue he was there. Could they have found something then? And the continued search was for other evidence there such as rope, blocks, weapon etc.

LE said they had conducted other searches. It made me think they were at other locations that the media didn't know about.

And if small bones were found they would not declare them human until verified and they certainly would have to do DNA to determine they belonged to Haleigh.

So until then LE will still be evasive on what they have imo.

IMOO

 

[Bathbuddys]

I knew that Shoemakers comment was BS. Ron is in jail there is no way for him to plan a funeral and not only that but it is up to the mother anyway.

I feel so bad for Cyrstal and Marie!

It is so sad that everyone is forgetting the fact that Ron has raised this little angel and she was living with him and she does have family on rons side too. Ron can very well plan this funeral for this little girl that he loved with his whole heart. Haleighs grandparents can help also as Ron lived with them with Haleigh also too. The kids spent more time with Ron that the maternal side of the family, I don't know why everyone is being so hateful? I hope that people can let this family plan this funeral and put this baby girl to rest in peace. There can be nothing worse than to bury a child, let alone have everyone being so mean to this family. let them be

 

[Bathbuddys]

Crystal is the one family member that has said nothing to the press since the meeting.

None of Haleighs family members have shared anything on the news. It is only speculation as usual... lol

 

[sumbunny]

My humble opinion is this::blushing:

They may have found items that fit with what the stories they are being told, along with MAYBE something someone has identified, or looks like belonged to Haleigh.
However, I have worked on case where many, many thing were found at a site and still the person was not dead..
The site had been staged to look like the person had died.
Nevertheless, I do not think they would tell a family to start funeral arrangements on these findings.:waitasec:

Was Haleighs Nebulizer ever found? Perhaps they found that at the bottom of the river, and it fits with the story one of the players told them?

 

[Kimster]

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Thanks so much! :blowkiss:

 

[mck16]

It is so sad that everyone is forgetting the fact that Ron has raised this little angel and she was living with him and she does have family on rons side too. Ron can very well plan this funeral for this little girl that he loved with his whole heart. Haleighs grandparents can help also as Ron lived with them with Haleigh also too. The kids spent more time with Ron that the maternal side of the family, I don't know why everyone is being so hateful? I hope that people can let this family plan this funeral and put this baby girl to rest in peace. There can be nothing worse than to bury a child, let alone have everyone being so mean to this family. let them be

I have wondered if little Junior has had visits with TN or any of RC's family. I haven't heard anything about it. I will say that I agree with your post above.

 

[yosande]

Don't you think the search ended way to quickly for them to have found a couple of bones and sent them out for DNA testing? In Caylee's case they were out there forever sifting through an acre of soil. Why in Haleigh's case would they find enough for DNA testing and then call it a day? This case and the reporting on it is the most confusing load of ___________ I have ever seen.

And poor Crystal, if she is planning her funeral how heartbreaking.
And if she isn't and is just reading in the paper that she is, how heartbreaking.

I don't think it takes very long to determine dna, myochondria whatever, in hair. It only took a couple od days on Caylee's hair found in the trunk of the car. iirc.
But how any hair could be left in the water on a rope or bricks after 14 months with a swift current is beyond me. I think it would take an act of God. jmo

otoh, He is enthroned on Justice.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

http://www.actionnewsjax.com/conten...nning-her-funeral/ifrrEFT1s0uJk4EigrsitQ.cspx

Ann Dugger and the Justice Coalition has been around for quite awhile.

Here is Ann at the 1 year vigil that was held in Satsuma:

And there was an event held earlier this year that Marie attended - a breakfast held by the Justice Coalition with Sarah Sheffield and the family of Somer Thompson:

You can read about the event here:

http://www.justicecoalition.org/newspaper/March2010/VA_MAR2.pdf

I don't believe that Ann Dugger would speak out of turn about a funeral for HaLeigh if this was not true.

My hope is that the families can come together for HaLeigh and give her a beautiful service that will honor the BEAUTIFUL child she was (past tense is hard to use), and that they will work together. I have no doubt that HaLeigh wouldn't want her family to argue.

I so agree and I don't think they WILL argue. They know in their hearts that Haleigh would want all of her family there and would want them to be loving and understanding to each other in their own time of grief.

IMO

 

[scandi]

I'm thinking that still doesn't preclude small bones or fragments sent to the lab for DNA testing after an anthropologist confirmed that they were possibly human though, KWIM?

Hi Muffet, I'm also thinking since someone has talked now, they might have put 2 + 2 together about the deer blood found in the van. That would be if they believe she was wiped down with it before being put in the river.

If any of Haleigh's hair was found in the van {or even down by the river} coated with that blood, it might be evidence of her death. Not sure xox

 

[Muffet]

One thing is for certain if LE wants to phrase something and be evasive they certainly do know how to word it.

I keep thinking about Tommy being brought to the dock the day before Misty was brought there and the media had no clue he was there. Could they have found something then? And the continued search was for other evidence there such as rope, blocks, weapon etc.

LE said they had conducted other searches. It made me think they were at other locations that the media didn't know about.

And if small bones were found they would not declare them human until verified and they certainly would have to do DNA to determine they belonged to Haleigh.

So until then LE will still be evasive on what they have imo.

IMOO

True.

I have to admit though, even though we all know they lie, if both Tommy and Misty are finally admitting that they know Haleigh died (and maybe Tommy's LDT showed that), I would believe she was, even if I didn't believe any of the rest of their stories about how she died.

So, I can see how LE might not feel the need for forensic evidence to believe the singular fact that Haleigh is deceased, either. They - we all - just hope the evidence will prove it, for everyone's sakes, and for justice.

:no: What a terrible, sad shame all this is. Poor baby Haleigh. :tear:

 

[Muffet]

Hi Muffet, I'm also thinking since someone has talked now, they might have put 2 + 2 together about the deer blood found in the van. That would be if they believe she was wiped down with it before being put in the river.

If any of Haleigh's hair was found in the van {or even down by the river} coated with that blood, it might be evidence of her death. Not sure xox

Awful thought, isn't it? I don't know, but I have wondered if they put the deer blood over or mixed in hers to make finding hers all but impossible.

 

[Emma Peel]

It is so sad that everyone is forgetting the fact that Ron has raised this little angel and she was living with him and she does have family on rons side too. Ron can very well plan this funeral for this little girl that he loved with his whole heart. Haleighs grandparents can help also as Ron lived with them with Haleigh also too. The kids spent more time with Ron that the maternal side of the family, I don't know why everyone is being so hateful? I hope that people can let this family plan this funeral and put this baby girl to rest in peace. There can be nothing worse than to bury a child, let alone have everyone being so mean to this family. let them be

Hi Bathbuddys -

I don't really think that anyone's forgotten that Haleigh lived with Ron.

IMO, atherella has managed to express a nice sentiment here - which, btw, is also how I feel. I expect they will work out this way - as did the vigils for Haleigh in the past. Haleigh was loved a lot by all her family.

oops & I see ocean has noticed this sentiment as well.

<respectfully snipped>

My hope is that the families can come together for HaLeigh and give her a beautiful service that will honor the BEAUTIFUL child she was (past tense is hard to use), and that they will work together. I have no doubt that HaLeigh wouldn't want her family to argue.

 

[lonetraveler]

If there's no body - wouldn't they be preparing a memorial? The wording is so odd to me, and gives me false hope that Haleigh has actually been found. If they're relying on the bozo-the-clown-clan to confirm Haleigh's passed, I just can't buy it. They are all liars and out to cover each others bottoms.

MOO

Mel

Simple folk don't differentiate between funerals and memorials. It's just called funeral period. I'm sure that when Haleigh's mother and grandmother was told that LE feels that Haleigh is deceased it is only natural to try to prepare yourself for the possibility that a part of her remains or her remains will be located, or worst case scenario, that nothing will ever be found of Haleigh's remains. Either way, you eventually have to think about a ceremony to honor Haleigh's life and to show respect for her in death as well. I feel very sad for Crystal and Marie at this time. They don't know if they should wait and see if some of these (cough, cough) POI tell the truth about where she is or if they have told the truth, then hope and pray that LE have found something, no matter how small, of Haleigh, so that she can be laid to rest and be in peace.