2010.05.06 "Defendants Motion for Reconsideration of [JS'] Prior Rulings"

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I thought the taping was favorable to the defense, but only superficially. I could be wrong, but I understood JJ felt he'd been pressured during his interview with MS and his words twisted to say something or give the impression of something that wasn't true.

I recall he took the recording to the SD, said it did not represent what he, JJ, wished to testify to, and gave the SD and SA another statement.

So my assumption is Baez et al want the taping of the first statement that isn't true, but does favor the defense. I guess they are going to claim police threatening tactics with the change in JJ's statement.

After reading Jordan's interviews, I have the distinct impression he was concerned about the legal issues involved with the taping, that's why he went to LE. They went through the procedures with him, told him to tell his lawyer. It seems they facilitated the procedure to get Sims and Mort Smith to make statements that they would not press charges.

When the defense called him as a witness at the hearing, he didn't show. I'm thinking he wasn't under subpoena. I would think that would speak volumes.

Also, Laura Buchanan, who "started" this issue up, hasn't been available for deposition so far, according to LDB in her latest motion.

It's fairly obvious the TES issue isn't going well from the defense point of view, based on Mort's interviews.

I'm going out on a limb here, but I have a feeling that Perry will go by Strickland's order until both the PI and JJ appear in court to face off against each other. I sure would like to see that!
 
Motion threads aren't for the faint of heart.

FYI. There is a sticky thread that lists all of the motions filed in this case. *Warning* it WILL make your head spin. If it doesn't...see your doctor :rolleyes:.

When launching a thread to discuss a particular motion, please use the title given to the motion and place it in quotations in the thread title to keep head-spinning to a minimum.

IOW..."Defense Motion 5/6/2010", which was the original title of the thread, is just a little too vague when one considers all of the motions that could end up w/ threads of their own eventually.

Thanks.

BBM


BJB you crack me up!

But seriously what you say is so very true. Motions are not for the faint of heart! Thanks for all you do to help keeps things running smoothly around her, you rock! :o
 
After reading Jordan's interviews, I have the distinct impression he was concerned about the legal issues involved with the taping, that's why he went to LE. They went through the procedures with him, told him to tell his lawyer. It seems they facsilitated the procedure to get Sims and Mort Smith to make statements that they would not press charges.

When the defense called him as a witness at the hearing, he didn't show. I'm thinking he wasn't under subpoena. I would think that would speak volumes.

Also, Laura Buchanan, who "started" this issue up, hasn't been available for deposition so far, according to LDB in her latest motion.

It's fairly obvious the TES issue isn't going well from the defense point of view, based on Mort's interviews.

I'm going out on a limb here, but I have a feeling that Perry will go by Strickland's order until both the PI and JJ appear in court to face off against each other. I sure would like to see that!

Agreed, but first didn't he said he had searched the area Caylee was found with TES, and then backed off his statement?
Shades of 15 minutes of fame from both him and Laura?
 
Agreed, but first didn't he said he had searched the area Caylee was found with TES, and then backed off his statement?
Shades of 15 minutes of fame from both him and Laura?

I wish I had saved a link I saw a few days ago. It shows pictures of Jordan (his name is on the back of his shirt) on Suburban Drive. In the pictures, he is near the fence at the end of the road. Indeed, he did search Suburban, but there are no pictures of him anywhere in the final area where Caylee's sad remains were found.

He was one of the original 32 flagged by Brad Conway.

According to his interview with LE, his big issue came when he was shown documents in his meeting with Sims and Smith which had both his and Laura Buchanan's name on it. There are indications, he said, that these forms are fakes the defense is trying to "slip" into the investigation.

Joseph Jordan Interviews
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/22918297/detail.html\
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/22918267/detail.html
 
I heard the Bat Call. :rocker:

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/38831947/05062010-Motion-to-Reconsider-Prior-Motions

Here is the motion... In my layman's opinion, it is a whiny, jumbled MESS. Somewhat unprofessional. And I believe there IS a difference between being disqualified, and recusing oneself. The name-calling boggles the mind. And they wonder why nobody likes them???? :waitasec:

This is what it asks for, all in one motion:

2. The defense requests reconsideration of the following Motions and rulings by the disqualified Judge as to the factual and legal merits of said Motions and rulings thereon:

A. Defendant's Motion to Compel Production of Tape Recorded Statement of Joe Jordan and the Court's Order on same dated April 7, 2010.

B. Motion for Production of Grand Jury Testimony of George Anthony filed by the state of Florida on September 16, 2009 and joined in by the defense, and the Order of the Court dated October 6,2009.

C. Defendant's Motion to Compel Tips Gathered by Law Enforcement, dated November 4, 2008.

D. The Order on Defendant's Motion to Modify the Court's Order on Defendant's Application for Subpoena Duces Tecum for Documents in the Possession of Texas Equusearch.



If the judge should agree to release it, Mr. Jordan's tape recorded interview ( that he felt compelled he had to record, likely due to being uncomfortable with the defense investigator's questions of him up until then, imo) is going to be a disaster for the defense. Alrighty then.

Likewise, the public release of George's grand jury testimony, if indeed the judge should decide to release it, will be a disaster of biblical proportions, imo. He likely opined that he had experience in LE, and that smell, no question in his mind was human decomposition coming from the trunk. He may have testified that he rarely ever looked up a google of a business phone number,and absolutely was never searching for how to make chloroform on the family computer. With Cindy at work, if his testimony is believed...who does that leave us with? The defendant! He may have testified he has come to understand his daughter lied about many, many things and she had no job, stole from the family, etc. Most importantly George's testimony will reveal that he had never, ever, ever heard of Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzales and never met any would be Zanny the Nanny. Getting his testimony to these exceedingly damaging facts released will seal her fate. Certainly it will be used to illustrate his varying accounts of these matters, and he will have no credibility in front of the civil or criminal jury. Jurors may surmise that parents are lying because they know there are things that point to their daughter's guilt that they are covering up. ( The prosecution was sure to use it to impeach him at the trial, but why get it out there a year earlier? He is her father, for the love of God! Why not go to him, who supports his daughter, and ask him what he said and assume he said the things I am guessing at? One can review his state depo and venture a guess on matters they focused on!)



My favorite Mr. Nejame moment:
— April 05, 2010 — Part 1 -
http://www.wftv.com/video/23056801/in...

Part 2 -
http://www.wftv.com/video/23057236/in...


IMO, one of the main reasons they asked for Judge Strickland to step down was to ask for this particular matter to be heard by a new judge...getting the TES documents , copied and given to them, comprehensive, with CONTACT INFORMATION . They want to do just as they admitted in the recent hearing, investigate the backgrounds of all potential witnesses...loosely translated.... find another SODDI ,or thoroughly harass or impeach any TES volunteer that should take the stand to testify to the fact that not one of them did, or indeed could have, searched the exact area as it was UNDER WATER!!
Clearly, the defense feels they must, must, be in a position to argue the baby's body was placed there after Casey was jailed. These TES records and where they want to go with them is the MOTHER LOAD! [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_paneRGyESE[/ame]
Make no mistake about it.....this is what they have wanted all along. What is that old saying..if you can't get in the front, go around the back? If rulings go against you, cry improper motives, cry prejudice to your client, cry unconstitutional, disparage TES in the public, have Todd, Andrea and Jose argue to the judge on different days that Mr. Nejame has a conflict of interest ( despite the fact that Brad testified to the court that no, that is not true, his clients, MR. and Mrs. Anthony have waived any conflict, IN WRITING,all three times the defense raised the argument.....IN BAD FAITH ), complain again in the press and in court, re word your motions try to argue them again...If all else fails, try to get a new judge and start all over. Judge Strickland could have been judge anybody, it was never about the blogger, imo. They want and need the TES records and he would not cave. The blogger was just something to hang their hat on.


Having the very , very experienced Judge Perry rule on matters ALREADY RULED ON, and do extensive research on , to quote from precedent , on the record..they may as well be waiving her right to appeal. You just can't make this stuff up!!!!!!
 
Agreed, but didn't he also say initially he'd gone back on his own and searched that area? And who goes into a meeting with his own lawyer and tapes it unless he isn't comfortable with how the meeting will go? I don't think I'd tape a meeting like that. And he did not voluntarily show up to testify for the defense when they were expecting him at the hearing.
 
Sorry this is OT, but TWA, I just have to say what a PRECIOUS picture of you and the girls!!!! God Bless you and your genuinely very happy and pretty girls!
 
Sorry this is OT, but TWA, I just have to say what a PRECIOUS picture of you and the girls!!!! God Bless you and your genuinely very happy and pretty girls!

ME AND THE GIRLS.jpg

Thank you, they are the biggest joy in my life, and I think of what Caylee is missing, very often when they are happy , running around playing and laughing. I would have adopted her, as I trust we all would have.
 
Motion threads aren't for the faint of heart.
FYI. There is a sticky thread that lists all of the motions filed in this case. *Warning* it WILL make your head spin. If it doesn't...see your doctor :rolleyes:.

BBM


You think Motion threads are for the faint of heart?! And, this is coming from the master of schematic scale drawings?!? :floorlaugh:

I guess we all have our comfort zones, eh? ;)

I tried to resist...really, I did. :innocent:
 
Did the judge rule on the motion for the TES records yet? We are waiting on a hearing on this matters the defense lists in this motion as a whole or individually, do we know?
 
Did the judge rule on the motion for the TES records yet? We are waiting on a hearing on this matters the defense lists in this motion as a whole or individually, do we know?

As of Friday, there were no responses to the motion. I doubt the judge will rule on them until the State, NeJame, or any other attorney involved replies.

The motion was filed May 6. I would expect that a response would be appropriate within 10 working days. (The motion does NOT state that, JMHO)

We need to watch for the replies to be in sometime this week. 10 days ends the 19th.
 
I wish I had saved a link I saw a few days ago. It shows pictures of Jordan (his name is on the back of his shirt) on Suburban Drive. In the pictures, he is near the fence at the end of the road. Indeed, he did search Suburban, but there are no pictures of him anywhere in the final area where Caylee's sad remains were found.

He was one of the original 32 flagged by Brad Conway.

According to his interview with LE, his big issue came when he was shown documents in his meeting with Sims and Smith which had both his and Laura Buchanan's name on it. There are indications, he said, that these forms are fakes the defense is trying to "slip" into the investigation.

Joseph Jordan Interviews
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/22918297/detail.html\
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/22918267/detail.html

Here are the links to those photos by johninflorida, posted April 7, 2010
http://johninflorida.wordpress.com/2010/04/07/has-the-tes-guy-been-caught-in-a-lie/

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2697/4501100482_637d0e249a_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2755/4501100574_b7e38cfffc_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2746/4500464617_2de6dc572e_o.jpg
 
TY button was not enough TWA! You so eloquently posted my exact thought process and yet in a much more precise articulate manner than I ever could have.
 

Thanks Thinktank!! Those are great photos and may come in very handy during the trial. I had started a thread on Joe Jordan's State depo, would you please post the links there so that they do not get lost in this thread? It would make it alot easier to locate them during trial. TIA
 
Too bad the defense wont take Mr. Sheaffer's advice and quit whining.
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7DaVR3us_0[/ame]
 
Having the very , very experienced Judge Perry rule on matters ALREADY RULED ON, and do extensive research on , to quote from precedent , on the record..they may as well be waiving her right to appeal. You just can't make this stuff up!!!!!!

Respectfully Snipped


TWG most excellent and eloquent post!!!! (As always. :o )

In any case I agree with you 100% in that you simply cannot make this stuff up. This defense IMO is headed further towards disaster on an almost daily basis. It almost seems intentional at times, I have to wonder?

I have a sense though that all of their wranglings, manipulations, sneaking and lying will be catching up to them really quickly though! HHJP! :gavel:
 
That is not Joe Jordan in JIF's pics - it is another dude with the last name of Jordan.

I don't believe he is related to JJ, either.

This is a comment posted on johninflorida's site today.

http://johninflorida.wordpress.com/2010/04/07/has-the-tes-guy-been-caught-in-a-lie/

on May 17, 2010 at 10:22 am Chili Palmer
Great pix John – I don’t think that is Joe Jordan in your pic though. There is a size difference. There was another guy with the last name of Jordan – not related to Joe – that searched also, and from the back it looks like him. Will have to see if I can find his first name.
Just wanted to set the record straight.
Your pix could be helpful though, hang on to them…
Chili
 
As of Friday, there were no responses to the motion. I doubt the judge will rule on them until the State, NeJame, or any other attorney involved replies.

The motion was filed May 6. I would expect that a response would be appropriate within 10 working days. (The motion does NOT state that, JMHO)

We need to watch for the replies to be in sometime this week. 10 days ends the 19th.

Well they've got til tomorrow and I have been waiting impatiently for this. I know Mr. Nejame is eager to put an end to their nonsense and whining once and for all.
 
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