2010.05.13 -Ronald & Hank Jr. Hearing: Ron negotiating for 15yr sentence, Trial 7/19

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  • #401
It is looking more and more like both Misty and Tommy were involved. If Ron were also involved, what would be the motive for Tommy to protect Ron and not ask for a plea to testify against him? Tommy has fingered cousin Joe, but not blamed Ron. This indicates to me that Ron was not involved.

From what Ron's lawyer has said, Ron is willing to testify against both Misty and Tommy. IMO, he has some information about the actions of these two people or he heard statements made by these two people that may help prosecutors.

IMO, Tommy fingered Joe because Misty fingered Joe. Tommy only knows what Misty told him and that was not much at all. Tommy thinks that he is protecting Misty, why? I don't know, haven't figured that out yet. Misty either doesn't know what really happened to Haleigh because she became involved after the fact and knows only what she was told by mmmmmmmmmmm? either Ron or Teresa I'm guessing. This could explain why Misty's poly and voice analysis results were showing that she was uncertain about some of the answers. I would love to see and hear polys for Ron and Teresa along with Leveled Voice Analysis..................

ETA: I think this is on the wrong thread. I was replying to a post but I will move this to theories.
 
  • #402
I could be wrong but I feel it is more like Ron and his attorney are "begging" for a deal instead of Ron and attorney "negotiating" a deal. I have not read or heard anything from LE about "offering" a deal to Ron. :waitasec: I can't for the life of me figure out what Ron could offer as a deal when everything was videoed with audio. I guess he could point to the video and say, "Yes! That is what happened!!!!!" "I know because I was there, that makes me an eye witness!!!" I just can't figure it out :waitasec: but I'm sure He'll come up with something. Some judge will accept this "bombshell evidence" as an excuse to give him less time.

I agree, IMO I also feel that Ron and TS are begging for a deal and LE is just playing along to see how Misty will react if Ron gets an alleged plea.

I have not seen any statements from LE - SA, either regarding a plea with any of the players. Maybe they are all hoping they will get one by snitching out each other on drugs/BE's and others with a drug history. I fear that there is one person that has scared the life out of the rest and that is why nobody is giving LE a straight answer. Tommy may be just passing on info that was told to him by Misty. Or, even if all played a part in Haleigh's Case, they are still afraid of the main POI. JMO - Theory.

I don't see why LE would give anyone a deal in this case unless they gave up information that would bring justice for Haleigh. Maybe Ron gave some info on Haleigh but is pointing the finger at Misty and that could be why LE is not releasing his jail calls or visits? Just a thought...but then again, if that were the case LE would want Misty to hear what Ron had to say..:loser: So confusing! :banghead:

But that is JMO. :cow:
 
  • #403
I think if Ron or Misty get a deal it would be for reduced charges in exchange for a guilty plea. That would save the cost of a trial and is one reason deals like that are very common.

IIRC, three reduced charges for Ron could leave him with 15-year minimums and most likely concurrent rather than consecutive. For Misty, all her charges carry 25-year minimum so she would have to get all her charges reduced in order to benefit much from a plea deal. Really, about the only benefit for Misty would be guaranteed minimum and guaranteed concurrent...unless Fields is effective in getting ALL her charges reduced. That could be tricky since the only benefit for the state is saving the cost of trial.

All charges would have to be dismissed or greatly reduced for either to have a chance at serving no further time. However, RC's track record shows dismissed charges to be a very real possibility...sadly.
 
  • #404
I'm of the opinion that this 15 year "deal" being referenced by Ronald Cummings' attorney is more a case of wishful thinking as opposed to fact.

How can any main player in a crime rightfully expect a sentence equal to someone who was essentially just "along for the ride" like Hope Sykes?

Re watch the videos. Ronald is clearly a principal participant while Hope Sykes' involvement was auxiliary at best. I could care less about Hope Sykes or her 15 years, but there's no way it's right for Mr. Cummings to receive an equal term of punishment for his crime.

If he pulls this off, you might just have to stick a fork in this turkey because I will likely be done.

You simply can't outrun that kind of "home cooking" OR "justice".
 
  • #405
I'm of the opinion that this 15 year "deal" being referenced by Ronald Cummings' attorney is more a case of wishful thinking as opposed to fact.

How can any main player in a crime rightfully expect a sentence equal to someone who was essentially just "along for the ride" like Hope Sykes?

Re watch the videos. Ronald is clearly a principal participant while Hope Sykes' involvement was auxiliary at best. I could care less about Hope Sykes or her 15 years, but there's no way it's right for Mr. Cummings to receive an equal term of punishment for his crime.

If he pulls this off, you might just have to stick a fork in this turkey because I will likely be done.

You simply can't outrun that kind of "home cooking" OR "justice".


Yes, I agree! I hope with all my being that RC is not cut any slack on any of his charges. It's time he paid a price for his actions, and clearly he was a principal player in the drug deals. What goes around comes around, and it is high time for things to come around for RC.
 
  • #406
Yes, I agree! I hope with all my being that RC is not cut any slack on any of his charges. It's time he paid a price for his actions, and clearly he was a principal player in the drug deals. What goes around comes around, and it is high time for things to come around for RC.
I can't be sure, but I might feel a little more generous towards Ron, if he had been made to serve time, for some of his priors. & since Hope was sentenced 1st, I really think her case should be used as a stepping off place. Since she was barely involved, none of those who were more involved,should get an equal or lesser sentence than her. She didn't go to trial, & still had it handed to her, so not wasting the courts time, shouldn't be a factor. Also, I'd like to know what the court thinks that Hope benefitted from the deals. money? a high? future deals? I, at least saw those things from Ron. Yesterday, I read about a case of 2 Florida women, who've been arrested for drug trafficking, Dr. shopping, & forging prescriptions, among other things, for a massive amount of pills. They're being treated completely different. It'll be interesting to see their sentencing.
 
  • #407
I can't be sure, but I might feel a little more generous towards Ron, if he had been made to serve time, for some of his priors. & since Hope was sentenced 1st, I really think her case should be used as a stepping off place. Since she was barely involved, none of those who were more involved,should get an equal or lesser sentence than her. She didn't go to trial, & still had it handed to her, so not wasting the courts time, shouldn't be a factor. Also, I'd like to know what the court thinks that Hope benefitted from the deals. money? a high? future deals? I, at least saw those things from Ron. Yesterday, I read about a case of 2 Florida women, who've been arrested for drug trafficking, Dr. shopping, & forging prescriptions, among other things, for a massive amount of pills. They're being treated completely different. It'll be interesting to see their sentencing.
one of the women has been charged with 45 counts of trafficking, among other things, & obtaining over 5,000 hydrocodone pills, in a little less than 3 years. She has been ordered a $50,000 bond, or house arrest, & allowed to go to work. hmmm...I just don't get it. not for Hope or Donna Brock. I can see why Ron's lawyer is looking for a deal, because obviously, it's the norm in these trafficking cases, but it still wouldn't be fair to the others. There's a trafficking case I'm gonna keep up with, here in East Texas, & it'll be interesting to see how differently, it's handled.
 
  • #408
I'm of the opinion that this 15 year "deal" being referenced by Ronald Cummings' attorney is more a case of wishful thinking as opposed to fact.

How can any main player in a crime rightfully expect a sentence equal to someone who was essentially just "along for the ride" like Hope Sykes?

Re watch the videos. Ronald is clearly a principal participant while Hope Sykes' involvement was auxiliary at best. I could care less about Hope Sykes or her 15 years, but there's no way it's right for Mr. Cummings to receive an equal term of punishment for his crime.

If he pulls this off, you might just have to stick a fork in this turkey because I will likely be done.

You simply can't outrun that kind of "home cooking" OR "justice".

LOL, I totally agree with you. I have to get the Rolaids out when I even think about Ron getting a reduced sentence. I'll probably implode if this happens.
 
  • #409
Maybe I'm seeing things differently, because her looks have changed so much, but Misty's demeanor at her last court appearance was eerie! Hope Sykes got 15 years, while Donna Brock's Min/max will probably be 15 years, and Ronald is hoping for a deal that will get him out in 15 years. For Fields to have allowed the courts to schedule her trial date in conflict with her other court, makes me think he has no intention of making one, or both of them. I truly hope Misty is trying to work out a deal that involves what happened to Haleigh. At this point she has to see that everyone is out for themselves, and nobody cares what happens to her. Maybe that's what I saw at her last court appearance. Maybe she no longer has the false hope of she and Ron getting back together in a few months, with things being back to the way they were. Even if she thought she could get out in 15 years, that would be more than she could stand. If she knows anything, (and I think she does) she has to be talking now. Her court date is getting too close for her not to be serious. If she doesn't know where Haleigh's body is, that could be what does her in. Again, only Misty's word on what happened with no evidence. If Misty somehow comes out of this with 3 years like Tommy, then she is giving up believable information. Having said all this, I have to believe that LE really isn't ruling anyone out, and I'm not sure this is the case.
 
  • #410
One problem is we want fairness. We want RC and MC sentenced to more time than Hope got since they were more involved and have multiple charges.

When a deal is made, it is made just for that defendant. And when a sentence is imposed it is just for that defendant. It has no bearing on how cohorts or others charged with similar crimes are treated. Now, if our players were all being tried together, their sentences would be reflective of each others', but since they are being charged and tried separately, they might all be treated differently.

Hope pleaded Nolo to her charge which carried a 15-year minimum sentence, so she got that sentence. She may have a chance with her appeal but if not, she will serve at least 85% of 15 years. The other players are trying to get charges reduced prior to pleading and if they are successful they could end up with the same sentence as Hope or possibly less time (if they manage to get charges reduced low enough).

We like to think we have a fair and impartial justice system in this country but reality is, there is little about it that is fair and impartial.

I am not a vindictive person and I am all for leniency when it is warranted (for some offenders, it is) but I can't help but consider the likelihood of Haleigh still being with us if RC had been made to pay for his actions long ago. Possibly he might have learned a little something, but at least he might not have been awarded custody of two small children.
 
  • #411
I'm not a vindictive person, but Ron deserves the largest sentence. That is obvious. He has a long list of priors, including drugs, & it is his daughter, who he had custody of, who's missing & probably dead. & unless LE can prove Misty's guilt, in the Haleigh case, I think she deserves leniency. Now, she may have a juvenile record, but so might Ron, so that doesn't really mean much, to me. I hope Hope gets a good appeal lawyer-someone who's willing to do something, besides just lay down. & honestly, I think Donna has served enough jail time, unless they can prove she brought the drugs in, & then I'd expect to see a Dr. or somebody else arrested. In the case I mentioned earlier, another woman was charged with 9 counts of trafficking, (involving over a thousand pills), & resisting arrest, among other things. She has no job. Although this is very similar to Misty's case, (but worse), she was ordered a $36,000 bond, or house arrest. I don't get these discrepancies. Justice may not always be fair, but on these 'mandatory minimums', there shouldn't be such a wide gulf, from person to person. From the way these other women are being treated, I don't see them serving anywhere near the minimums, if any time at all. Because why let a defendent go home & back to work, if she's looking at spending the rest of her life in prison? She'd be a flight risk, to say the least. & the law needs to get its priorities straight. I can think of a lot of things, besides drugs, that I'd rather see mandatory minimums imposed on. These kind of laws pretty much take a judges job right away from him. not fair. & I get the feeling that these lawyers are not used to fighting for their clients. just make the easy, 'always acceptable' plea, & move on to the next sucker. But, this case is different, as they're finding out, & instead of fighting, they're just laying down, waving a white flag.
 
  • #412
One problem is we want fairness. We want RC and MC sentenced to more time than Hope got since they were more involved and have multiple charges.

When a deal is made, it is made just for that defendant. And when a sentence is imposed it is just for that defendant. It has no bearing on how cohorts or others charged with similar crimes are treated. Now, if our players were all being tried together, their sentences would be reflective of each others', but since they are being charged and tried separately, they might all be treated differently.

Hope pleaded Nolo to her charge which carried a 15-year minimum sentence, so she got that sentence. She may have a chance with her appeal but if not, she will serve at least 85% of 15 years. The other players are trying to get charges reduced prior to pleading and if they are successful they could end up with the same sentence as Hope or possibly less time (if they manage to get charges reduced low enough).

We like to think we have a fair and impartial justice system in this country but reality is, there is little about it that is fair and impartial.

I am not a vindictive person and I am all for leniency when it is warranted (for some offenders, it is) but I can't help but consider the likelihood of Haleigh still being with us if RC had been made to pay for his actions long ago. Possibly he might have learned a little something, but at least he might not have been awarded custody of two small children.

:clap::clap::clap: Very nice post and very well put. Thank you.
 
  • #413
I can't be sure, but I might feel a little more generous towards Ron, if he had been made to serve time, for some of his priors. & since Hope was sentenced 1st, I really think her case should be used as a stepping off place. Since she was barely involved, none of those who were more involved,should get an equal or lesser sentence than her. She didn't go to trial, & still had it handed to her, so not wasting the courts time, shouldn't be a factor. Also, I'd like to know what the court thinks that Hope benefitted from the deals. money? a high? future deals? I, at least saw those things from Ron. Yesterday, I read about a case of 2 Florida women, who've been arrested for drug trafficking, Dr. shopping, & forging prescriptions, among other things, for a massive amount of pills. They're being treated completely different. It'll be interesting to see their sentencing.

[BBM]
Some time ago, a member made a post about consistent sentencing and bonds and how the courts had to answer to any that might be inconsistent. Does anyone recall who made this post and/or where I might find it? I've searched several threads (including the legal thread) and can't find it.

I'm really interested in the rules, procedures and standards because of the type of example you've provided here. I'm totally confused as to how the varying bond amounts for the seemingly same offenses are set and likewise on the sentencing. I mean, just how much discretion does the court have on like cases?
 
  • #414
WBG has NO BOND. That is worse that the glam five.

Whether they bond out or not, the sentences will be the same. If found guilty, the judge can't do less the minimum or alternate types of sentencing such as boot camp, juvie stuff, etc.

The plea bargains are to plead down to the lowest (minimum) sentence or to try and get charges dropped; concurrent vs. consecutive, etc. When there is evidence of a specific number of pills, the judge doesn't have any choice but the minimum. ron is seeking to have 90% of his charges dropped...based on what, I can't even imagine. He doesn't exactly have good behaivor. I don't think though that the judge can include ALL those nasty priors and multiples because he was never found guilty of them....darn shame.

Same with WBG. WBG is in an even worse position than ron is. They certainly have all the players they think who know about Haliegh right there in Putnam County. They are holding misty separately. This could get interesting.
 
  • #415
[BBM]
Some time ago, a member made a post about consistent sentencing and bonds and how the courts had to answer to any that might be inconsistent. Does anyone recall who made this post and/or where I might find it? I've searched several threads (including the legal thread) and can't find it.

I'm really interested in the rules, procedures and standards because of the type of example you've provided here. I'm totally confused as to how the varying bond amounts for the seemingly same offenses are set and likewise on the sentencing. I mean, just how much discretion does the court have on like cases?
I don't recall the post you referenced in the first paragraph. As for bond amounts in these cases, each county has a standard bond schedule. For drug offenses, the original bond is set in the $100,000-$500,000 range, but the amount can be reduced at the bond hearing. Various circumstances are taken into consideration. Generally, a first offender has the best chance of receiving a significant reduction.

Sentencing for drug offenses in Florida is determined by the minimum mandatory rules, and judges are left with very little discretion. Prosecutors hold the power, and disparity among sentencing in different counties often depends upon the state attorney for the respective counties.

One exception that can result in a sentence below the MM is "substantial assistance", information a defendant can provide against other offenders. Under this rule, drug kingpins have an edge over the small time drug dealer or drug abuser.

Minimum mandatory sentencing, particularly as it applies to drug offenses, has become a highly controversial issue in the state. Here are some of the links that I've found helpful in undertanding Florida drug laws and sentencing. Put on your reading glasses and take a look.

http://www.dc.state.fl.us/pub/sen_cpcm/cpc_manual.pdf

http://www.famm.org/Repository/Files/Safety_valves_in_a_nutshell_7.16.09[1].pdf

http://www.famm.org/Repository/Files/FL General MM fact sheet _8-27-09_.pdf

http://www.famm.org/StateSentencing/Florida.aspx

http://www.november.org/thewall/cases/spence-p/spence-p.html

http://thecrimereport.org/2010/04/29/mandatory-review/

http://www.gainesville.com/article/20100426/articles/4261005?p=5&tc=pg&tc=ar

http://www.ericmathenylaw.com/Criminal-Defense-Blog/2010/May/Bonds-In-Drug-Trafficking-Cases.aspx

This answered my question of how drug weight is determined in Florida. Seems it is not just the weight of the actual controlled substance, but the aggregate weight of the contents.

http://www.criminaldefenseattorneyt.../DrugCrimes/TraffickingPrescriptionDrugs.aspx
 
  • #416
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The plea bargains are to plead down to the lowest (minimum) sentence or to try and get charges dropped; concurrent vs. consecutive, etc. When there is evidence of a specific number of pills, the judge doesn't have any choice but the minimum. ron is seeking to have 90% of his charges dropped...based on what, I can't even imagine. He doesn't exactly have good behaivor. I don't think though that the judge can include ALL those nasty priors and multiples because he was never found guilty of them....darn shame.

IMO, Ron will play a sympathy card. His daughter was "stole" making him so depressed he wasn't himself.

GGMS has written a letter on his behalf to the judge...Of course, I don't know what the letter says but I can guess it would relate to how he tried so hard to do for his kids, to provide a good home for them, to be a good dad, etc., etc., and blah, blah... and then when Haleigh went missing he just couldn't function and thus got into drugs to ease his torment. JMO.

Egads.
 
  • #417
IMO, Ron will play a sympathy card. His daughter was "stole" making him so depressed he wasn't himself.

GGMS has written a letter on his behalf to the judge...Of course, I don't know what the letter says but I can guess it would relate to how he tried so hard to do for his kids, to provide a good home for them, to be a good dad, etc., etc., and blah, blah... and then when Haleigh went missing he just couldn't function and thus got into drugs to ease his torment. JMO.

Egads.

I think you are absolutely correct in your opinion about what is in the letter. I can see the "grief stricken father" played out to the max.
 
  • #418
IMO, Ron will play a sympathy card. His daughter was "stole" making him so depressed he wasn't himself.

GGMS has written a letter on his behalf to the judge...Of course, I don't know what the letter says but I can guess it would relate to how he tried so hard to do for his kids, to provide a good home for them, to be a good dad, etc., etc., and blah, blah... and then when Haleigh went missing he just couldn't function and thus got into drugs to ease his torment. JMO.

Egads.

Right, except he has a record going back since the time Misty was 10 years old. They will show the tapes of Ron asking for powder and admitting he likes to get high, and how he will eat the pills himself. They will watch him count out the pills and give them to Misty the mule to hold. They will show the tape where he instructs Misty to do some weird drug transaction in a public bathroom when the drugs were in the car with her and the UC the whole time. He can produce any letters from Annette till the cows come home, her word means nothing and the State would expect nothing less from a letter from a "concerned biased party" aka Annette. They will show his tape where he knows that drug boys didnt get his girl, even though she got stole by someone, hes not supposed to know anything.

But he can try. I have never, ever heard in Rons case that the State offered him a 15 year sentence and he was mulling it over, it seems to be what Ron thinks he should get since thats what Hope got. Hes in for such a rude awakening.

jmo
 
  • #419
Yes, Chablis...he can try. And he will. But I hope it doesn't work for him this time. There is absolutely no evidence that the state has offered him anything; in fact, it's RC and his attorney who are begging the state for a deal. I hope they are unsuccessful because, even though I know there is not much of a legal connection to the sentences of the others, for moral reasons I would like to see RC get a longer sentence than Hope got.

ETA: IIRC, Hope's mother and other family and friends spoke on her behalf in court at her sentencing. It did not make a difference. Can't blame them for trying, though.
 
  • #420
Yes, Chablis...he can try. And he will. But I hope it doesn't work for him this time. There is absolutely no evidence that the state has offered him anything; in fact, it's RC and his attorney who are begging the state for a deal. I hope they are unsuccessful because, even though I know there is not much of a legal connection to the sentences of the others, for moral reasons I would like to see RC get a longer sentence than Hope got.

Yeah, and he told Hope they offered him 25 years. I wonder if he is playing hardball, saying not 25, but I will do 15, and I truly think Ron thinks he should get the same as Hope, in his mind he probably thinks this is a great deal for the State, lets say it is 25, like he said, and he does not take that deal, and takes it to trial..... I think hes playing a version of Russian roulette right now with his life, sans the gun of course.

There is not even one logical explanation why the State would need Ron to testify against Misty, unless they just wanted to see how far Ron is going to take this game and would he even dare push Misty? I bet they hope he does take that deal, if they made him one, thats the only reason why I think the State would ever offer him a deal would be to push Mistys buttons and make her say enough is enough and spill his involvement in his daughters disappearance.

Balls in Rons court, and I kinda think he is going to lose either way.
jmo
 
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