2010.05.13 -Ronald & Hank Jr. Hearing: Ron negotiating for 15yr sentence, Trial 7/19

[camcneishg]

not sure if this has been posted yet, but I heard on HLN that Ron's atty (or Tommy's, I forgot) will be on JVM tonight.......

 

[Whisperer]

After the others are sentenced, he can lie and beguile, say anything he wants because they will be long gone and not able to say anything about him...it will be too late. It has and always will be about rc.

 

[Whisperer]

Hi maryland :wave:..Welcome aboard

 

[4Jacy]

not sure if this has been posted yet, but I heard on HLN that Ron's atty (or Tommy's, I forgot) will be on JVM tonight.......

It will be Tommy's attorney - saw it on facebook.

 

[OneLostGrl]

Could Ron be an informant for LE and that is why his trial could be last? I am new here and hoping I did this right. Thanks

 

[doobiedoo52]

How come no one is making a plea deal for their testimony against Ron?

Serious question, I just haven't the time to think about that question anymore today, so I'm throwin' it out there...and I'll read what y'all think tomorrow... lol. see ya later! :wave:

Oh, don't let me throw y'all off-topic here though...:blushing:

IMO there will be NO testimony against RC. None of them will attend his trial. He will only attend theirs. I seriously think there is a big reason for that. Have we heard any more on Hope's request for a retrial?

 

[Emeralgem]

IMO there will be NO testimony against RC. None of them will attend his trial. He will only attend theirs. I seriously think there is a big reason for that. Have we heard any more on Hope's request for a retrial?

I'm having a senior moment..Entirely too too much information for this old brain to absorb... BBM RED.. Please elaborate further as to what the BIG reason is...TYIA

 

[grandmaj]

Twall we had a thread on that this morning and Dr. Fessell called and they couldn't confirm from any source that was in fact true. So we pulled the thread.

 

[twall]

Twall we had a thread on that this morning and Dr. Fessell called and they couldn't confirm from any source that was in fact true. So we pulled the thread.

ok thanks, I will delete

 

[Atlanta PI]

Didn't Hope get 15 years? She got a raw deal if Ron ends up somehow getting 15 years and I know she had outstanding recent priors. But I simply do NOT understand what the SA needs Ron to testify to. MOO

Hope got 15 years because she basically asked for it remember?

 

[SoSueMe]

IMO there will be NO testimony against RC. None of them will attend his trial. He will only attend theirs. I seriously think there is a big reason for that. Have we heard any more on Hope's request for a retrial?

I'm having a senior moment..Entirely too too much information for this old brain to absorb... BBM RED.. Please elaborate further as to what the BIG reason is...TYIA

Intimidation under the guise of support?

 

[kjt300]

After the others are sentenced, he can lie and beguile, say anything he wants because they will be long gone and not able to say anything about him...it will be too late. It has and always will be about rc.

Yep, you are correct. This just gets on my last nerve. They need no additional testimony for any of them. The crimes are memoralized on video. There are manditory sentancing guidelines, just use them.

I'm sorry because I know many will disagree, but Ron is a punk. He is doing what he has done previously in his life. Gets caught up in criminal activities and sells out to save his own hide. I think the only difference is that he was able to do his previous "talking" and no one really knew. This time it will be pretty obvious.

I don't want to hear anything else about Ron being such a tough guy. He's a (something).

MOO

 

[Dr.Fessel]

Here is one for the record. It is an example of Shoemaker lying. These two statements are made about a month apart and I think the second one is part of the plea deal too. I think LE wants Shoemaker to change his story about why Ron divorced Misty and say it had nothing to do with the police asking him. I think the police would be on shaky grounds if Ron divorced her at their request and them trying to use something as evidence in the murder trial that Misty told Ron. The court might feel LE only got him to divorce her so he could testify about anything she might say in the future about crimes or stuff not directly related to Haleigh but relates to the case the state is laying out against her.



"The police always said, 'If you divorce Misty, we'll find something out. She'll crack.' They've told him, 'If Misty got in trouble, in jail, we could probably get her to crack,'" Shoemaker said.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=154929&catid=3



a month later he says..........



But Shoemaker added that police had not urged Cummings to divorce Croslin. They did divorce just months after getting married.

http://www.gainesville.com/article/20100513/articles/100519729?p=2&tc=pg

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Question re: Ron's 15-year sentence.

Some have posted that they believe that the sentence means 15 years for each of three charges. This would equate to 45 years in prison. Last night on NG, the host and guests all seemed to think that it is just 15 years - five years for each of the three charges. I thought that the charges has mandatory minimum sentences :waitasec: Can anyone clarify? Thanks.

 

[Justin Tyme]

After the others are sentenced, he can lie and beguile, say anything he wants because they will be long gone and not able to say anything about him...it will be too late. It has and always will be about rc.

If after they are sentenced could they be called back to testify against him? Or is it a case where if they are already sentenced "CONVICTED FELONS" they can no longer testify against him? Maybe that's his lawyers strategy. :waitasec:

 

[TrialAddict]

Question re: Ron's 15-year sentence.

Some have posted that they believe that the sentence means 15 years for each of three charges. This would equate to 45 years in prison. Last night on NG, the host and guests all seemed to think that it is just 15 years - five years for each of the three charges. I thought that the charges has mandatory minimum sentences :waitasec: Can anyone clarify? Thanks.

Is the mandatory/minimum 25/15 years just for the trafficking charges? If so they are the ones that will be dropped in the deal aren't they? The lesser charges may carry a max of 5 years each. Tommy is being charged with a lesser charge and is looking at 3-5 years I think.

 

[Justin Tyme]

Here is one for the record. It is an example of Shoemaker lying. These two statements are made about a month apart and I think the second one is part of the plea deal too. I think LE wants Shoemaker to change his story about why Ron divorced Misty and say it had nothing to do with the police asking him. I think the police would be on shaky grounds if Ron divorced her at their request and them trying to use something as evidence in the murder trial that Misty told Ron. The court might feel LE only got him to divorce her so he could testify about anything she might say in the future about crimes or stuff not directly related to Haleigh but relates to the case the state is laying out against her.



"The police always said, 'If you divorce Misty, we'll find something out. She'll crack.' They've told him, 'If Misty got in trouble, in jail, we could probably get her to crack,'" Shoemaker said.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=154929&catid=3



a month later he says..........



But Shoemaker added that police had not urged Cummings to divorce Croslin. They did divorce just months after getting married.

http://www.gainesville.com/article/20100513/articles/100519729?p=2&tc=pg

Wasn't it also suggested that he not marry her in the first place as it could hinder the investigation? RC has proven all along that RC does whatever he wants. I think that the real reason they divorced was in the hopes that it would take the heat off of he and MC if I recall correctly.

 

[debs]

Wasn't it also suggested that he not marry her in the first place as it could hinder the investigation? RC has proven all along that RC does whatever he wants. I think that the real reason they divorced was in the hopes that it would take the heat off of he and MC if I recall correctly.

I'm not sure that it was suggested Ron not marry Misty. I know at the time of the marriage, someone from LE was interviewed and he responded with frustration at the prospect. I believe the comment was something like "yeah, I wish he hadn't done that."

 

[Justin Tyme]

What kind of testimony can he give against them that's not already in the tapes. I'd like to be a fly on the wall in court. Yes, your Honor, I was in the car with MC, I was in the front seat popping pills in my mouth...I mean putting a toothpick in my mouth...then another time I had to help her count pills because she's not good at counting...that's all I did. I didn't touch the money or accept the pills...I was only counting them for my...what was it that he called her in the 911 tape? Seriously, what other info could he give him that they don't already have in the recorded drug deals. I'd venture to say that whatever he thinks he has is not enough to get him a reduced sentence. I think that their trying to buy time until the others are sentenced so that they can't testify against him.

 

[1Chump]

After the others are sentenced, he can lie and beguile, say anything he wants because they will be long gone and not able to say anything about him...it will be too late. It has and always will be about rc.

IMO there will be NO testimony against RC. None of them will attend his trial. He will only attend theirs. I seriously think there is a big reason for that. Have we heard any more on Hope's request for a retrial?

If Ron goes to trial last, Ron will have the most witnesses against him. It will be too late for Ron's lies. As long as they are facing charges, they cannot be forced to testify against each other. Anything they say can be used against them in their own trial. If they were called to the stand, they would either have to implicate themselves or plead the 5th. You cannot pick which questions you will answer and which you plead the 5th, it is all or nothing.

Remember in OJ with Mark Furhman when asked about if he lied about using the N-word, he plead the 5th. The last question Gerald Uelman asked Furhman was "Did you plant or manufacture any evidence in this case?" He asked that question because he knew that Furhman by pleading the 5th about lying, had to plead the 5th to every question.

Therefore, if Misty and/or Tommy are convicted before Ron's trial, they will be called to testify against him. If they are lucky enough to testify before sentencing, they may even be more apt to talk to try to help their sentence. But since they will not be facing any charges regarding the drugs, they cannot plead the 5th. Same thing with Hope. Hope has been convicted and her testimony is the only hope she has of the DA requesting a change in her sentence.

IMO, Ron's attorney announcing that he is trying to negotiate a plea deal is two-fold. The first to play to potential jurors. Ron's attorney is sending the message, with help from some media who do not report accurately, that the DA is rying to negotiate with Ron and need his testimony to convict the big, bad Crolins.

The second and most important is a message to Misty/Tommy. Ron is telling them thru his attorney that the DA wants to deal with Ron. But Ron being the great guy has not taken the deal and won't as long as they don't talk.

IMO, Ron thinks he has the upperhand but he has the worst hand.