2010.05.13 ~ Werter speaks out ~ another plea?

  • #41
This may be a technicality, but how can the lawyer say that ToC was not an accomplice? If his client admits that all three (JO, ToC, & Misty) were together at the trailer, and says that Haleigh died in the trailer, and admits he accompanied JO to the river to dispose of the child's body, and we can assume didn't take any overt action to prevent this child's death, and kept this secret for over a year, how is he not an enabler of this crime and thus an accomplice?
Werter hasn't given up the whole story yet, so all we can do is speculate. But, I feel the story going something like this: Tommy arrives on the scene after the attack. The wild-eyed maniac thrusts a gun in his face and threatens to kill him and then go after his wife and children if he doesn't cooperate. It's too late to help Haleigh, so he has no choice but to cooperate. The perp holds the gun on him and orders him to carry Haleigh's body to the car then drive to Shell Harbor. Once at the dock, with the gun still pointed at him, he follows the instructions to tie the cinderblocks to the little body, and so on and so on. IF Werter can present a reasonable argument, I'd be inclined to excuse Tommy. But without conclusive evidence and a credible eyewitness -- in other words, anyone but Misty -- that story will never hold water.
 
  • #42
It's called being an accomplice. Especially if the death of Haleigh occurred during the commission of another crime Tommy was doing with Joe - for example - & jmo.

There's LOTS more here going on that night that we don't know about. IMO Haleigh's death may well have been a crime within a crime. Which is why they all have something on each other. Honor among thieves.

Of course there was more going on that night than just JO with a gun/knife/rope/whatever scaring people into silence. My comments are along the lines of the Werter statements made on behalf of his client, and sometimes it is hard to clarify a comment while staying on topic.

I see what Werter is doing: protecting his client and trying to paint him in the best light should the Haleigh case ever go to trial. That's his job. I don't agree with what he says but I know why he says it.
 
  • #43
Werter hasn't given up the whole story yet, so all we can do is speculate. But, I feel the story going something like this: Tommy arrives on the scene after the attack. The wild-eyed maniac thrusts a gun in his face and threatens to kill him and then go after his wife and children if he doesn't cooperate. It's too late to help Haleigh, so he has no choice but to cooperate. The perp holds the gun on him and orders him to carry Haleigh's body to the car then drive to Shell Harbor. Once at the dock, with the gun still pointed at him, he follows the instructions to tie the cinderblocks to the little body, and so on and so on. IF Werter can present a reasonable argument, I'd be inclined to excuse Tommy. But without conclusive evidence and a credible eyewitness -- in other words, anyone but Misty -- that story will never hold water.

That seems to be what Werter is alluding to, doesn't it? I can't get past the forcing Tommy with a gun thing. To me, this is just another story. And since Werter didn't say they are negotiating a plea, I wonder if LE is buying it either.
 
  • #44
I don't think Tommy would be scared of a LDT result -- and unless Joe could raise his fear behind bars .. I do not think it is Joe Tommy was afraid of

Switch a couple names around, consider the jailhouse talk and maybe we might know who Tommy was really afraid of

Just a thought --

ETA -- What if Tommy was the jailhouse snitch GMM warned Ron about?

(Just another thought)

BBM

They were not in the same jail.
 
  • #45
  • #46
Okay, this seems plausible to me:

Shoe is negotiating a plea for RC to make sure Misty and Tommy are put away for nearly a lifetime because of their drug convictions. If this happens, that tells me LE is pretty sure the two of them killed Haleigh.

The only negotiating for a plea that Tommy has is if Joe is truly involved and they need Tommy to turn on Joe. But then what is Tommy getting a plea for? Drug trafficking? What about possible murder charges?

My head is spinning.
 
  • #47
Okay, this seems plausible to me:

Shoe is negotiating a plea for RC to make sure Misty and Tommy are put away for nearly a lifetime because of their drug convictions. If this happens, that tells me LE is pretty sure the two of them killed Haleigh.

The only negotiating for a plea that Tommy has is if Joe is truly involved and they need Tommy to turn on Joe. But then what is Tommy getting a plea for? Drug trafficking? What about possible murder charges?

My head is spinning.

Tommy is only facing 3 years for his drug charge .. Misty s facing 144 years along with Ron


Ron has nothing to negotiate on with his charges ... so what is he really pleading to?

Maybe that should be the question?
 
  • #48
It's called being an accomplice. Especially if the death of Haleigh occurred during the commission of another crime Tommy was doing with Joe - for example - & jmo.

There's LOTS more here going on that night that we don't know about. IMO Haleigh's death may well have been a crime within a crime. Which is why they all have something on each other. Honor among thieves.
yep, if they were really there to steal a gun, that would be the other crime. This is getting stinkier & stinkier & I'm not buying Tommy's boloney. No wonder Linsey filed for divorce. Gettin' out while the gettin's good.
 
  • #49
Okay, this seems plausible to me:

Shoe is negotiating a plea for RC to make sure Misty and Tommy are put away for nearly a lifetime because of their drug convictions. If this happens, that tells me LE is pretty sure the two of them killed Haleigh.

The only negotiating for a plea that Tommy has is if Joe is truly involved and they need Tommy to turn on Joe. But then what is Tommy getting a plea for? Drug trafficking? What about possible murder charges?

My head is spinning.

Even though they say these are two separate & distinct sets of charges, I'm sure that LE has some latitude, and reduced charges could be applied to either. Their most important objective, IMO, is to determine Haleigh's killer and ensure a conviction. Whatever they need to negotiate to do this, I think they will do.
 
  • #50
That seems to be what Werter is alluding to, doesn't it? I can't get past the forcing Tommy with a gun thing. To me, this is just another story. And since Werter didn't say they are negotiating a plea, I wonder if LE is buying it either.
I agree with what Raisincharlie said earlier. LE isn't going to take anything Tommy says seriously unless there is evidence to support it. There will be no offers Werter is blowing smoke. I know I'm like a dog with a bone, but I still can't get over the way he said "accompanied'em" or "accompanied'um". The fact that the producer chose that sound bite tells me he did not implicate Joe by name in that interview.
 
  • #51
Okay, this seems plausible to me:

Shoe is negotiating a plea for RC to make sure Misty and Tommy are put away for nearly a lifetime because of their drug convictions. If this happens, that tells me LE is pretty sure the two of them killed Haleigh.

The only negotiating for a plea that Tommy has is if Joe is truly involved and they need Tommy to turn on Joe. But then what is Tommy getting a plea for? Drug trafficking? What about possible murder charges?

My head is spinning.

I still don't see how/why LE or the SA would need Ron to testify. They have audio and video evidence in the drug case, along with the UC's testimony or account of events ....... should be worth well more than a felon's word.
~JMO
 
  • #52
Evidence proving where H died is going to be a major problem for ToC if JW is saying his client only accompanied 'im to the river under force of a weapon.
 
  • #53
Tommy is only facing 3 years for his drug charge .. Misty s facing 144 years along with Ron


Ron has nothing to negotiate on with his charges ... so what is he really pleading to?

Maybe that should be the question?

Tommy thinks he is only facing 3 years, but just because he thinks that, it may not be true. IF LE cannot get enough evidence to ensure a conviction for the death of Haleigh, but they do have evidence which convinces them that Misty and Tommy are responsible, they may be very interested to make their drug charges stick. Even though they have the video(s), they may want Ron's testimony to help guarantee the drug convictions. Just my guess.
 
  • #54
I still don't see how/why LE or the SA would need Ron to testify. They have audio and video evidence in the drug case, along with the UC's testimony or account of events ....... should be worth well more than a felon's word.
~JMO

:waitasec: Yeah, that doesn't make sense. Argh.
 
  • #55
Is Werter just hoping for his client then? What do we know about his credentials?
 
  • #56
It's called being an accomplice. Especially if the death of Haleigh occurred during the commission of another crime Tommy was doing with Joe - for example - & jmo.

There's LOTS more here going on that night that we don't know about. IMO Haleigh's death may well have been a crime within a crime. Which is why they all have something on each other. Honor among thieves.
Worse, Emma. If Haleigh's death occurred during the commission of a crime, it would be a felony murder, a capital crime. Tommy could face that charge even if was there only to steal a gun and had no participation in the murder.

Note to Kimster: That might be the deal Werter is going after. Knock the felony murder charge down to an accomplice charge. I can't see Werter doing all this grandstanding for the simple drug charge Tommy's facing.
 
  • #57
Just weird that the two who went to court today have suddenly entered into plea negotiations....

I'm not buying that LE needs Ron to testify. Don't buy it. If there was a deal why didn't it happen before today?

And I don't know why, but I cannot see Tommy harming a child. I know he has lots of problems..... but I do not see him hurting a child. He seems like a child himself. Werter took his client to cooperate with FDLE. That says to me that Tommy does have information to negotiate with regarding Haleigh. :cow:
 
  • #58
I still don't see how/why LE or the SA would need Ron to testify. They have audio and video evidence in the drug case, along with the UC's testimony or account of events ....... should be worth well more than a felon's word.
~JMO
Not to mention, Ron wasn't involved in the first transaction with Tommy and Misty. That's just not adding up for me yet.
 
  • #59
Werter is seeking a deal with the state for a reduced drug charge for Tommy, but I think he is also looking ahead to the need for a future defense for Tommy if he should be charged in the Haleigh case. JMO.
 
  • #60
Re ToC's involvement with H, I think JW implies the charges will be, at most, related to helping dispose of the body (under force), and he would like a deal since ToC has fully cooperated since April.
 

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