2010.05.13 ~ Werter speaks out ~ another plea?

[pferrin]

OMG! So when Jr said the bed was bouncing

the only prob with this... kids have invisible friends that they see also..this wont pass any court test. Lots of 3 yo have incredible stories to tell. imo

 

[bessie]

IMO, looks like RC and ToC wnt a plea deal........will MC be next???
Pointing the fingers back and forth?
Turning on each other???
Werter has to say what his client tells him???
I think he is very careful in how he states his wordings.
No audio/video tapes getting out about visitors.

Yes, he's very careful with his words, Passionflower. I'm probably over-analyzing, but I have yet to hear him say the words "Joe forced Tommy to the river at gunpoint".

 

[EastCoast]

I just have a hard time believing that Werter would come out with a statement putting ToC at gunpoint at the dock. What purpose would that serve? It just gets his client more enmeshed in all this. He (Werter) evidently must believe him, or why even go public with this? And I was never one to believe that JO or ToC had such an active part in this.

 

[TaraCrazyHair]

Not buying anything that tommy or his attorney are selling..nope.

I am having a hard time with Tommy is saying -- I do not believe they are all "afraid of Joe coming to kill their kids" ... I also noticed Flora's first thought was the drug swallowing theory and Ron needed Tommy's help

Secondly -- exactly what could Ron testify to against Misty and Tommy on the drug charges to bargain with?

Everything is on video!

 

[Emeralgem]

Just an FYI but Tommy's Lawyer is also claiming that Haleigh died in the trailer.

One question.. Is/was the dwelling located at 130 Magnolia occupied by the Croslins on February 9, 2009 referred to as a trailer? JMO

 

[epiphany]

Actually, Werter never says Joe. He says Tommy "accompanied'em to the river". I wish we could see the entire, uninterrupted interview with Werter.

Reporter: Warner says Croslin was there when Overstreet dumped the girl's body. (The reporter's comment is followed directly by this below from JW.)
JW: ...Tommy didn't have any active participation in this at all. Under threat of force, threat of, by deadly weapon, he accompanied 'im to the river where this body supposedly ended up.

Yes, we do not hear JW say JO! It is implied. The interview is not in its entirety.

 

[pferrin]

I cant imagine the job of the prosecutors on this case..direct examination of the witnesses..tommy and misty...no way no how can they prove this case with those 2. Cross exam would be unbelievable.

 

[dodie20]

I just have a hard time believing that Werter would come out with a statement putting ToC at gunpoint at the dock. What purpose would that serve? It just gets his client more enmeshed in all this. He (Werter) evidently must believe him, or why even go public with this? And I was never one to believe that JO or ToC had such an active part in this.

I've thought for awhile that Tommy had a BIG active part in this. But, because of everybody's actions after the fact, it's doubtful he acted alone. I need a lot more than Tommy's word, (he seems to be a compulsive liar), to convince me that Joe was the main perpertrator. For all we know, Tommy may be the killer. He's put himself in a real precarious situation with all of these details. IMO, that's what a guilty person might do-release details, blame someone else, & claim to have been a witness.

 

[lillys]

OMG! So when Jr said the bed was bouncing it must have been the perp attacking Haleigh. Did he smother her I wonder to keep her from screaming?

Oh precious child, may you rest in peace honey.

IMO

lol how in the world did you get that idea from the comment about Haleigh being killed in the trailer? NO ONE said she was killed on the couch. LE has NEVER SAID where Haleigh was killed.

 

[dodie20]

the only prob with this... kids have invisible friends that they see also..this wont pass any court test. Lots of 3 yo have incredible stories to tell. imo

I think it was reported that Jr. said the couch was jumping, not that the bed was bouncing. Since he was supposedly in the bedroom with Misty, that would put a terrible spin on the story.

 

[kamky]

Video Tape of JW at his office (?) speaking on how ToC was forced at gunpoint to accompany JO to the river. JW implies JO; interview is not in its entirety; states ToC was not an accomplice. I heard him speak on First Coast News at 6 PM (I don't know how to post the video - sorry.)

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/video...verstreet/50619441001/50624658001/85491009001
Joe Phone Call Fingers Joe Overstreet

This may be a technicality, but how can the lawyer say that ToC was not an accomplice? If his client admits that all three (JO, ToC, & Misty) were together at the trailer, and says that Haleigh died in the trailer, and admits he accompanied JO to the river to dispose of the child's body, and we can assume didn't take any overt action to prevent this child's death, and kept this secret for over a year, how is he not an enabler of this crime and thus an accomplice?

 

[dodie20]

OMG! So when Jr said the bed was bouncing it must have been the perp attacking Haleigh. Did he smother her I wonder to keep her from screaming?

Oh precious child, may you rest in peace honey.

IMO

it was a couch, not a bed...& LE has never released any theory on how Haleigh died.

 

[krkrjx]

Statements like these are made by defense attorneys all the time; they are designed to instill a reasonable doubt in advance of the case going to trial. Reasonable doubt is all that is necessary to get an acquittal so even when a client is guilty, a defense attorney will attempt to cast doubt.

What better way to instill doubt than to point toward an individual who doesn't look quite right, doesn't act quite right, was in the area that night and left the next day! It matters not that the individual could have been visiting the area legitimately or that leaving the next day was not sinister at all, but may have been planned in advance. All a defense attorney needs is reasonable doubt in the mind of even one juror.

Poor Haleigh. I am thinking more and more that Karma may be the only means of justice for her.

 

[dodie20]

This may be a technicality, but how can the lawyer say that ToC was not an accomplice? If his client admits that all three (JO, ToC, & Misty) were together at the trailer, and says that Haleigh died in the trailer, and admits he accompanied JO to the river to dispose of the child's body, and we can assume didn't take any overt action to prevent this child's death, and kept this secret for over a year, how is he not an enabler of this crime and thus an accomplice?

those are the questions that are killing me. If nothing else, wouldn't some kind of good samaritan law kick in? How much gun pointing & knife weilding would a person be capable of doing, if he was in the process of assaulting or murdering a child? His back would've been turned, for crying out loud, & Tommy could've easily disarmed him. Now, if Tommy saw what was going down, & decided to leave, well, IMO, he'd still be guilty. There was an earlier report, (yeah, it could be a lie), that Tommy was there, left, & then went back. If that's true, I hope he frys.

 

[krkrjx]

Unfortunately, no person is required to step in and stop a crime in progress. Many people would intervene in a crime against a child, but they are not bound by law to do so.

I believe Tommy could be charged criminally if he witnessed the crime and then denied knowledge of the crime when LE questioned whether he had knowledge. But no doubt JW plans to include immunity from prosecution in any deal for Tommy.

 

[dodie20]

Unfortunately, no person is required to step in and stop a crime in progress. Many people would intervene in a crime against a child, but they are not bound by law to do so.

I believe Tommy could be charged criminally if he witnessed the crime and then denied knowledge of the crime when LE questioned whether he had knowledge. But no doubt JW plans to include immunity from prosecution in any deal for Tommy.

well, that just stinks. especially if a person is using fear or intimidation as an excuse for not intervening. really, what about the child's fear? I remember a case in Vegas in which a man kidnapped, raped, & murdered a little girl in a casino bathroom. His friend walked in, saw what was going on, & then turned around & left. I remember that he wasn't held accountable, & people were outraged. I think once a person sees a crime like that, by not helping, he should be considered a willing participant-just like a gang rape.

 

[TaraCrazyHair]

I don't think Tommy would be scared of a LDT result -- and unless Joe could raise his fear behind bars .. I do not think it is Joe Tommy was afraid of

Switch a couple names around, consider the jailhouse talk and maybe we might know who Tommy was really afraid of

Just a thought --

ETA -- What if Tommy was the jailhouse snitch GMM warned Ron about?

(Just another thought)

 

[Emma Peel]

Unfortunately, no person is required to step in and stop a crime in progress. Many people would intervene in a crime against a child, but they are not bound by law to do so.

I believe Tommy could be charged criminally if he witnessed the crime and then denied knowledge of the crime when LE questioned whether he had knowledge. But no doubt JW plans to include immunity from prosecution in any deal for Tommy.

It's called being an accomplice. Especially if the death of Haleigh occurred during the commission of another crime Tommy was doing with Joe - for example - & jmo.

There's LOTS more here going on that night that we don't know about. IMO Haleigh's death may well have been a crime within a crime. Which is why they all have something on each other. Honor among thieves.

 

[krkrjx]

well, that just stinks. especially if a person is using fear or intimidation as an excuse for not intervening. really, what about the child's fear? I remember a case in Vegas in which a man kidnapped, raped, & murdered a little girl in a casino bathroom. His friend walked in, saw what was going on, & then turned around & left. I remember that he wasn't held accountable, & people were outraged. I think once a person sees a crime like that, by not helping, he should be considered a willing participant-just like a gang rape.

I agree! But the law cannot require anyone to put themselves in harm's way. What's worse is a person is not required to REPORT a crime if they witness one. So basically, they can see someone being injured and not intervene, then go off and not call the cops. Now THAT stinks!

 

[TaraCrazyHair]

I think it was reported that Jr. said the couch was jumping, not that the bed was bouncing. Since he was supposedly in the bedroom with Misty, that would put a terrible spin on the story.

Don't forget Misty later changed the story about JR too