2010.05.21 Tommy Jailhouse phone calls released: General Discussion

[Missingmeds]

Emma I don't know if it means anything but I agree with you in that it isn't what we are hearing but what we aren't hearing that is important.

Nothing from Ron, very little from Misty. I can't believe that Ron isn't using the phone and I have no doubt that Misty is burning up the phone lines.

I also agree that Hank Sr and Lisa needs to be in counciling, that they need to stay away from their children and turn off their phones.

I also believe that there is more and more blurring of the line about who exactly knows what exactly. I have found that I have a really tough time believing anything that any of the Croslins/Cummings say.

 

[Kat]

The end of the second call that MC has with her Dad took me by surprise. She got very peeved at (I think it was Lindsey) and she got an edge to her voice and was dropping F bombs and the B word. Very off key for someone keeps such a low voice usually. JMHO. Not that it means anything it just took me by surprise the amount of anger expressed about a shirt...etc.

ETA: And she does point the finger at RC.

 

[bessie]

When did Hardy say that? If it was awhile back I am sure they have worked diligently to resolve the technical problem they were having back then.

IMO

I made a mistake in my previous post. The question specifically addressed Misty's cell phone. It was asked to Major Bowling during an interview on 09/22/09.

Major Bowling also talked about Misty’s cell phone. Action News asked him if he could use GPS technology to track down exactly where Misty was the night Haleigh disappeared. Major Bowling wouldn’t go into details, but says they are investigating those facts.
There are some things we can do with electronics, and there were some problems with the electronics…that’s about as far as I can go into that…there’s some things were still working on trying to get cleared up in regards to electronic intelligence, said Major Bowling.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/cummings_case/092209_haleigh_cummings

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I hope you are right, but I don't share your optimism. I don't like the fact that Tommy and Misty have both said, LE doesn't want to hear what they have to say about Ronald. Why would they blow this off, unless they have another perp in mind, and won't listen to anything that doesn't include him? I'm just scared this is a lost cause.

Hi MaryAnn,

If they do not want to talk to Tommy about Ron then it is obvious LE knows that Ron is not involved and have ruled him out by now.

I am always an optimistic person. Just my nature and also the fact that I have seen cases I knew where going to be solved when others had their doubts because it was taking so long to bring the defendant to justice. It is frustrating when cases linger on this long but in the end when true justice comes the wait was worth it.

No LE puts their eggs all in one basket and certainly not in a basket they know are filled with liars. They have interviewed many many others and thousands of leads in their investigation. Imo, they haven't relied on the Croslins/Overstreet for the truth of the matter.

I think they are methodically building a powerful circumstantial evidence case and unfortunately sometimes it takes longer to put all the puzzle together but I think once they get the results back from the labs that were taken out of the river then the case will move forward quickly.

IMO

 

[Missingmeds]

Because of all the talk of the river search and so forth in these calls, it has now been 4 weeks since the river search and in all honesty, if LE were going to get anything back, chances are good that they have it by now.

Unless they are stalling by having the lab wait to do some testing on certain items.

 

[krowdkat]

I am confused about something that Tommy said. He said that he didn't tell Nanny Hollars anything.

But he did and we have heard the phone call where he basically tells her that Joe is the one responsible for Haleigh going missing.

Am I wrong on that point?

ITA with you. Also, I noticed that every time Hank was spewing his disgust for GMH that Tommy changed the subject back to Lyndsy and never agreed with his dad's rants inre to GMH.

That is a tactic I sometimes use when someone I care about is talking smack about someone else I also care about. Change the subject! NEXT!

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I am confused about something that Tommy said. He said that he didn't tell Nanny Hollars anything.

But he did and we have heard the phone call where he basically tells her that Joe is the one responsible for Haleigh going missing.

Am I wrong on that point?

Actually he didn't tell her anything Missingmeds. That is why Werter released the tape in the first place because Flora went on and on about what Tommy told her and how Haleigh died. All Tommy really said was he needed her to talk to Lindsy and tell her to get his lawyer down to see him that he had to do something he should have done a long time ago. That is why she asked him "is it Joe?" and he mumbled yeah, irrc or something like that.

The main thing the lawyer wanted refuted was to show that Tommy never mentioned a word about Haleigh and how she died even though Flora said he did.

In fact Tommy told her not to tell anyone and she promptly went on tv and told all she knew and added a whole lot more to it that wasnt even mentioned.

IMO

 

[krowdkat]

Because of all the talk of the river search and so forth in these calls, it has now been 4 weeks since the river search and in all honesty, if LE were going to get anything back, chances are good that they have it by now.

Unless they are stalling by having the lab wait to do some testing on certain items.

If they get convictions on the drug trafficking charges (i.e, Hope Sykes), LE has all the time they need to bring the Haleigh Cummings case to a tight close and conviction. LE doesn't have to do anything at this point but sit tight with all the info/evidence they have gathered thus far.

 

[krowdkat]

Actually he didn't tell her anything Missingmeds. That is why Werter released the tape in the first place because Flora went on and on about what Tommy told her and how Haleigh died. All Tommy really said was he needed her to talk to Lindsy and tell her to get his lawyer down to see him that he had to do something he should have done a long time ago. That is why she asked him "is it Joe?" and he mumbled yeah, irrc or something like that.

The main thing the lawyer wanted refuted was to show that Tommy never mentioned a word about Haleigh and how she died even though Flora said he did.

In fact Tommy told her not to tell anyone and she promptly went on tv and told all she knew and added a whole lot more to it that wasnt even mentioned.

IMO

I agree that Tommy really didn't tell GMH much. On the other hand, he didn't refute anything she talked about either. I think that's why people are under the impression that Tommy said more than he actually did. The tapes that were released yesterday show that Tommy is completely capable of saying Bullship when the story doesn't suit him. He didn't do this on the GMH phone call.

 

[Maryann123]

If they get convictions on the drug trafficking charges (i.e, Hope Sykes), LE has all the time they need to bring the Haleigh Cummings case to a tight close and conviction. LE doesn't have to do anything at this point but sit tight with all the info/evidence they have gathered thus far.

I hear you, and I agree. I just want Haleigh to have a proper resting place, and for Crystal, her mother and Junior to have some closure. HECK, I NEED CLOSURE!

 

[Snowbunny]

Does anybody have the links to Hank and Misty's conversations? Thanks in advance!

 

[krowdkat]

Does anyone have a guess or know who the murderer Nanny Hollars supposedly lived with (according to Hank on these new tapes) is? Is he referring to Joe O or some other person? TIA

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Because of all the talk of the river search and so forth in these calls, it has now been 4 weeks since the river search and in all honesty, if LE were going to get anything back, chances are good that they have it by now.

Unless they are stalling by having the lab wait to do some testing on certain items.

I wish it was that easy but it has always been such a backlog at the labs all across the country and the FBI labs too even in the best of times and now it is even worse with the economy like it is and the cutbacks of lab technicians.

Imo they will not get everything back until around two months or more from the time it was sent off if they are lucky.

I remember when Sara Walker was murdered in Tx., which has some of the most sophisticated labs in the country, LE did not even get the dna results back for over 2 months so they could identify the killer of Ms. Walker.

Now in this case imo many items were recovered and sent off for analysis and they will not make a move until ALL of it comes back.

IMO

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Actually he didn't tell her anything Missingmeds. That is why Werter released the tape in the first place because Flora went on and on about what Tommy told her and how Haleigh died. All Tommy really said was he needed her to talk to Lindsy and tell her to get his lawyer down to see him that he had to do something he should have done a long time ago. That is why she asked him "is it Joe?" and he mumbled yeah, irrc or something like that.

The main thing the lawyer wanted refuted was to show that Tommy never mentioned a word about Haleigh and how she died even though Flora said he did.

In fact Tommy told her not to tell anyone and she promptly went on tv and told all she knew and added a whole lot more to it that wasnt even mentioned. IMO

I don't recall that Tommy actually TOLD Flora Hollars that JO is/was the perp, but Grandma Hollars blatantly SUGGESTED it. Tommy agreed with what FH said and did not question or dispute his grandmother's supposition. It seemed very easy for Grandma Hollars to put words into Tommy's mouth without him challenging her. Flora Hollars appears to be the omniscient matriarch of the family and noone dares to question anything that she says or does. jmo

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I agree that Tommy really didn't tell GMH much. On the other hand, he didn't refute anything she talked about either. I think that's why people are under the impression that Tommy said more than he actually did. The tapes that were released yesterday show that Tommy is completely capable of saying Bullship when the story doesn't suit him. He didn't do this on the GMH phone call.

He really didn't delve into any details at all.

It seems Granny also has her history that is very strange. Maybe she just lost her way because of being in the limelight for awhile although after Werter released the call I havent seen her back on Nancy or Jane's shows. He didn't have to refute it. His own lawyer showed she did not tell the truth about what he told her when he released the actual call between the two.

He never goes into any detail with anyone on what actually happened to Haleigh. I imagine his lawyer has stressed he needs to keep exactly what happened among police and his attorney. He does drift sometimes and drops a tidbit here and there but still no real specifics. I do think he has told LE in great detail though.

IMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I don't recall that Tommy actually TOLD Flora Hollars that JO is/was the perp, but Grandma Hollars blatantly SUGGESTED it. Tommy agreed with what FH said and did not question or dispute his grandmother's supposition. It seemed very easy for Grandma Hollars to put words into Tommy's mouth without him challenging her. Flora Hollars appears to be the omniscient matriarch of the family and noone dares to question anything that she says or does. jmo

I think if it had not been Joe then he would have retorted just like he did when she started suggesting that Haleigh had gotten one of Ron's pills and OD and he told her pretty darn quick that was "Bullchit!"

I dont know. In one of the tapes last night I listened to.... granny Flora was getting hammered big time. So I dont think she has any control over anyone.

IMO

 

[krowdkat]

I don't recall that Tommy actually TOLD Flora Hollars that JO is/was the perp, but Grandma Hollars blatantly SUGGESTED it. Tommy agreed with what FH said and did not question or dispute his grandmother's supposition. It seemed very easy for Grandma Hollars to put words into Tommy's mouth without him challenging her. Flora Hollars appears to be the omniscient matriarch of the family and noone dares to question anything that she says or does. jmo

I noticed that, too, and also noticed that Tommy has called her several times since that initial phone release. The later phone calls that ToC makes to GMH seems to be out of disperation to talk to Lyndsy and TiC and no one is answering his calls because of minute/money issues or in Lyndsy's case because she wants a divorce.

His later calls to GMH's are simply to use her as a messanger to his other family members.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Does anyone have a guess or know who the murderer Nanny Hollars supposedly lived with (according to Hank on these new tapes) is? Is he referring to Joe O or some other person? TIA

I got the impression it was her husband, ex husband or maybe a live in boyfriend.

Boy all of that was a shocker and everything else that was said about Granny Flora.:blushing:

IMO

 

[krowdkat]

I think if it had not been Joe then he would have retorted just like he did when she started suggesting that Haleigh had gotten one of Ron's pills and OD and he told her pretty darn quick that was "Bullchit!"

I dont know. In one of the tapes last night I listened to.... granny Flora was getting hammered big time. So I dont think she has any control over anyone.

IMO

ToC also bullshiped the overdose story to Hank with lightening speed in the tapes released, yesterday.

I have to agree with you that GMH doesn't have any control over anyone in that bunch. Especially not Hank! LOL

 

[Maryann123]

Does anyone know who Lisa is constantly talking to in the background while Hank and Tommy are talking? Or what she is saying? At one point, Hank tells her to shut up. Is she actually making any sense, or is she just yammering? I'm thinking about Hank's comments about her and the drug use.