2010.05.24 ~ Issues with JVM

[Maryann123]

This is the point Ive been trying to make, there is no way Mistys actions that night reflect the story that Joe threatened her with her life, why in the heck would she sound so calm in the 911 call, and why the HECK would she be doing laundry after that??? nothing makes sense with the JOE DID IT story. Yes I do believe Joe was somehow involved but I dont believe he killed Haleigh. I believe he may have been in the wrong place at the wrong time. My oppinion only.

Poly, that's a good point. Not only was she calm during the 911 call, she tells her dad in a jailhouse tape (her newfound religion kicking in) that she could have been killed by the drug deal that robbed her, but that didn't happen because God was looking after her. Why did that pop into her mind, and not the fact that Haleigh was kidnapped and killed right out from in under her nose? Why wasn't this as scary to her as the robbery? It had to be because there was never a threat to her, only Haleigh.

 

[krkrjx]

If the JO story were true, ToC and MC could have gone to LE and told the truth a long time ago. Evidence could have been found then to corroborate what they said, and JO would have been arrested immediately. And if they had been forced at gunpoint/knifepoint to participate, they would not have been charged with a crime.

I am not buying the fear factor even if JO did do the crime, although I might have considered it plausible had they gone to LE with this story very soon after JO went back to Tenn.

Instead, none of the Croslins were ever warned by their kids that their lives were in danger, the Cummings were out publicly celebrating TN's birthday, RC and MC were going to carnivals and taking trips to NY to do talk show appearances. JO was free as a bird, so why weren't these people in hiding--scared? If JO had threatened to kill them and their families, how could they celebrate and laugh and casually go about their lives with him on the loose?

I love garage sales, but I'm not buying this time.

 

[Maryann123]

anyone know where i can find this audio, is this on the bnn link? and which audio is this, I think I only heard about 4 or 5 of them and I def did not hear this one:

I listened to it on the thread that is Tommy jailhouse videos on sky. The link is in the very first post. Sorry, I don't know which tape it's on, and I don't know how to bring that post over here.

 

[krowdkat]

I still believe that Haleigh's little body was in the dumpster that the 3 dogs hit on and that Tommy and/or Joe moved the baby from that location...Scratch on the van, Misty talking about how WASTED those two men were, river search, etc...

 

[Concerned Papa]

I've just read through this thread and I find myself shaking my head at what I have read.

First of all, my own opinion of what happened is not going to change until I have something more than the statement of an incarcerated, documented liar.

Second, I'm in shock that Misty Croslin's attorney would actually reveal this story, prior to JO's arrest, to someone like AH with the full and certain knowledge that it would be broadcast all over this country. To me, this seems not only irresponsible but dangerous. Each one of us who have listened to the Cobra tapes knows the exact address where JO lives with his mother.

Were this one of my granddaughters having been taken from me, before the sun set on another day, Joe Overstreet would be brought to me for a personal search for the truth. Water boarding is not outside of my moral compass.

 

[krowdkat]

The only problem, Papa is that Haleigh wasn't related to the Croslin's. Joe, Misty and Tommy were related, though.

 

[impatientredhead]

This is the point Ive been trying to make, there is no way Mistys actions that night reflect the story that Joe threatened her with her life, why in the heck would she sound so calm in the 911 call, and why the HECK would she be doing laundry after that??? nothing makes sense with the JOE DID IT story. Yes I do believe Joe was somehow involved but I dont believe he killed Haleigh. I believe he may have been in the wrong place at the wrong time. My oppinion only.

I agree, except I think Joe doesn't have a clue what happened that night. With everyone piling on to say he is a sociopathic child killer I would think if he had one tiny bit of ability to lead the police to evidence that would convict anyone in the group he would have already done so. Self preservation has to kick in at some point.

I think he is the perfect scapegoat and had they really thrown him under the bus as a group early on he might be in real trouble, or at least the focus of the investigation. That all of them are happy to throw suspicion his way tells me he has nothing that can harm them. moo

 

[Maryann123]

Wait, I'm wrong. I think it was the BNN tapes. I don't think any of the Sky tapes were of Misty and dad. All the tapes are running together for me!

 

[krowdkat]

However, Impatient, if all three were involved to some extent, and none of them were behind bars, Joe could still pose a threat to the freedom and families. It's only after Tommy and Misty get locked up on DT'ing that they start slinging Joe's name around.

In other words, all three could have been scared about their actions and who was going to rat out who first, if ever. JMO

 

[PolyGraph]

Maybe this is not the place for this (moderators remove at will) but Im even starting to wonder if she "sold" haleigh to joe or tommy, probably joe, and then never expected the child to be killed in the process. Just thinking out loud, I can see either that happening or misty being the direct cause of death, not ron, his whole story seemed very real especially his reactions on the 911 tape.

 

[KSH352]

This is the point Ive been trying to make, there is no way Mistys actions that night reflect the story that Joe threatened her with her life, why in the heck would she sound so calm in the 911 call, and why the HECK would she be doing laundry after that??? nothing makes sense with the JOE DID IT story. Yes I do believe Joe was somehow involved but I dont believe he killed Haleigh. I believe he may have been in the wrong place at the wrong time. My oppinion only.

Plus Misty and Lindsey were telling the news that Joe did it..that's when the van was towed. Misty sure didn't seem filled with FEAR THEN.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1005/24/ijvm.01.html

JVM: Art, I understand you have just gotten off the phone with Misty`s attorney. What is he telling you?

ART HARRIS, INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALIST: Jane, just a few minutes ago I spoke with Robert Fields, Misty Cummings -- Misty Croslin`s lawyer, who says she has revealed everything she knows to police. They have her story on tape. And they are now just waiting to hear back from law enforcement. He says, quote, "It`s like a garage sale. We`ve put it all out there, and we`re just waiting for someone to buy it."

Now that's a remarkable and revealing statement. Fields better "buy" it, because if she goes to trial and a prosecutor can refute her story, anything she says to mitigate her own involvement will lose whatever credibility it might have had (remembering that the jury won't know she's a stone liar). This business of taping clients and prisoners running off at the mouth and sending letters that incriminate themselves--how stupid can they be?

The only reason I can see for him to tape Misty is that she can't tell a coherent and believable story in person.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

Here you go peeps. :biggrin:


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1005/24/ijvm.01.html

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Tonight, stunning, brand-new jailhouse tapes. An emotional Misty Croslin breaks down, her voice cracking. Her dad begs her to tell the truth about what really happened to missing 5-year-old Haleigh Cu
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Get it out there. Let it out. Tell the truth.

CROSLIN: I swear on everything I`ve told the truth, Dad. There`s nothing else -- I don`t know. And that`s the truth, you know?

Misty's words beg for a little statement analysis. See the break in the sentence. She starts to say, "There's nothing else" and should finish the sentence with "that I know." She finishes, instead with "I don't know." Put it together: "There's nothing else [that} I don't know."

Then she finishes up with a tag question. She's not saying what she says is the truth. She's asking the unidentified male if he knows "that's the truth."

Lying again.

 

[KSH352]

I'm just wondering why Misty's attorney would reveal anything to Art Harris.

What happened to Attorney/Client Confidentiality?

 

[joeskidbeck]

MC is lying. There is only one person she would lie for. Herself. I don't think JO or ToC had anything to do with Haleigh's death. Maybe the disposing. I think someone else did it and that person has convinced her that she will be just as guilty due to her involvement with the cover up.

 

[impatientredhead]

What happened to Attorney/Client Confidentiality?

it can be waived by the client

 

[Concerned Papa]

The only problem, Papa is that Haleigh wasn't related to the Croslin's. Joe, Misty and Tommy were related, though.

Maybe I'm not following your train of thought but in a hypothetical sense if Haleigh was one of my granddaughters, who her alleged murderer was related to would have no bearing on my action.

If he were free, and I knew exactly where he was, we would meet one another.

 

[joeskidbeck]

Maybe I'm not following your train of thought but in a hypothetical sense if Haleigh was one of my granddaughters, who her alleged murderer was related to would have no bearing on my action.

If he were free, and I knew exactly where he was, we would meet one another.

I know what you mean, Papa. The trouble is (I believe) that the people who should be reacting that way know for certain that JO is innocent. They're not gonna harm the red herring.

 

[txsvicki]

I'm so confused with all the different tapes, that I'm not sure if Misty told about the brick and rope first and then Tommy told next? Also, was Hank telling Tommy about it before Tommy called Flora and went with police to the dock?

 

[Bathbuddys]

I wonder if Misty didn't get mad at Haleigh after she went to bed...maybe she peed the bed and it made Misty mad because she had just washed the bedding on her bed. Maybe she yanked her up and hit her but ended up hitting her and she fell and hit her head on something and it killed her. I can see her calling Tommy to come to her aid to help her do something as she can't just let Haleigh lay there until Ron gets home. That may be why Misty and Tommy keep making up stories about Joe and why they haven't told the real truth. Tommy would be involved because he came to Misty's aid and Misty accidentally hit Haleigh and she cracked her head and died. They don't want to tell on each other so that they go to prison for murder. RJ was probably asleep and didn't see anything. That makes more sense to me than anything that I've read so far.

I can see Misty loosing it. She was getting off of a weekend drug binge and probably not feeling good at all coming off of all that stuff. Everything would have gotten on her nerves being drug sick. Having to wash her bedding all over again would have ticked her off too. Wasn't she out of washing powder?

Ithink the only problem with this theory is that there was no evidence of blood, which there would be if her head got cracked... IT is a good theory though and I dont know for sure, but don't think any evidence of death in the house as LE has treated this as a missing persons until very recently....