2010.07.02 Actual Emergency Hearing Thread

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  • #441
I fully anticipate one of the monumental arguments by the defense.......

The release of the letters from KC's family.......severely hampered the mitigation efforts on her behalf........that the family, though encouraged by the mitigation "team" to visit KC and write to her, were unable to properly relate to the inmate. That while the defense team filed "numerous" motions to gain privacy for the client, that the total elimination of her privacy not only damaged her mitigation efforts but also damaged her psyche.

THe possibilities are endless. Why else continue to bring it up???? THey want to be able to go on record and say that they made efforts x # of attempts to help their client and that they were unable to.

I do find it interesting that JB used the term "choked" when referring to their efforts. Freudian slip perhaps?????????????
 
  • #442
By the time JB brought that up, HHJP was low on patience and considering nothing about that had anything to do with the motion for the emergency hearing to appoint a special magistrate - I believe this is when Judge Perry asked Mr. Baez, "Have you ever filed a motion for sanctions?" To which Mr. Baez stuttered (I think he was trying to say once) but still could not be clear. So Judge Perry advised him that was the road to take - file a motion for sanctions and he would consider it at a separate hearing.


whew.

You got it! What an experience this has been. Thank you for answering, and everyone else that answered too. I missed it so had to go on postings.

:blowkiss:
 
  • #443
What could she possibly be asking the new guy? Weird.

"Ever been to Fusion? Do I look fat?" Something profound like that I'm sure. :sick:
 
  • #444
I did my best to transcribe what Baez was saying after the motion decision was made.

JB: The last status hearing in which I was unable to attend, the court, I did have the opportunity to later view it, thanks to our friends with the cameras, and I noticed the court made inquiries and nothing was mentioned as to any new discovery that was coming out. Since then, while I was unavailable, and as well as my co-counsel, not only was over 5000 pages of discovery released, they were released to the media before I or any member of my team had the opportunity to do so. Included in these 5000 pages are letters to my client from member, from people all across the country, people who I have no idea how they relate to a capital case of murder. I don’t understand the state’s intention of releasing this, what I consider very private correspondence that is not of any type of security risk to not only the public but making it a part of this case and so I, of course, I even asked co-counsel, and he doesn’t have enough experience to come up with a conclusion, either.

HHJP: When you say co-counsel, since there’s numerous co-counsel, which…

JB: Mr. Mason

HHJP: Okay.

JB: Who charmingly responded, “I don’t have enough experience to be able to figure that one out.” Many of these, many of these letters were written back as far as a year or two ago, and unfortunately, this is in violation of Judge Strickland’s order that anything the state had in it’s possession must be turned over within ten days to the defense, including this issue is one sworn statement of a Debbie Polosano (sp) who we took her deposition a week earlier. It would have been nice to have her sworn statement to the lead detective in this case prior to that. In addition to that, numerous other items, numerous other items that have absolutely no relevance to this case, Judge, and I bring this to the court’s attentions for two reasons, I’m sure you want to know, first off, the situation where we are set with deadlines, there’s a court order that requires them to turn over things within ten days of doing so, and we still get things that were issued two years ago. This has been going on, and been an ongoing process for a very long time. We’ve complained about it, obviously…

HHJP: Have you filed a motion for sanctions?

JB: Only on one occasion, Judge, and, no I have not-

HHJP: Okay.

JB: I’ll leave it at that before I make any other comments. That’s one issue, Judge, now, the other issue is these relevance arguments that, that we plan on raising, well, let me say on my first issue: We’ve got 5000 pages now which must be reviewed thoroughly, and if we’re going to follow our obligations, specifically under the ABA guidelines for capital cases, these people either need to be spoken to, we need to figure out what relevance they have to this case, how the state plans on using it against our client in any way, shape, or form, and, undoubtedly, the current deadlines that are set just simply aren’t going to work if this is the manner in which we must proceed. Now, if the state is going to contend that, “Well, we’re just turning things over, we don’t really plan on using it.” Then we’ve got another issue of, of attempting to embarrass our client by submitting things to the public, private matters to the public that aren’t a security issue. I understand that when the jail receives things, they review the mail, they check it for contraband, they see if there’s any escape plans or anything like that and that should be the end of it. I know the court has relied on the separation of powers between the, between the court and the jail, however, separation of powers doesn’t seem to play a factor or role in this case when every time we turn around, the jail is colluding with law enforcement to make their case for them. There’re those that can argue whether they have a case to begin with, but the, you have the issue of the jail sending one, one high-profile inmate to go talk to another, to, to bring out discovery, you have, you have these, these issues where the jail is taking, by request of law enforcement, my client to be told that her daughter is deceased, by allo…, by making her watch the news and videotaping it, and then you have situations where now her mail is, is being disclosed…

HHJP: Mr. Baez….

At which point Baez goes on, 'Give me another moment, Judge, blah, blah, blah...', HHJP responds with his "Bear in mind...." speech.

I took mercy and left out all the 'ah's', 'uh's', and dramatic pauses.
 
  • #445
I took mercy and left out all the 'ah's', 'uh's', and dramatic pauses.

Respectfully snipped;

Thank you for all you hard work, and saving us from some.

Bad thing when an attorney FLAT OUT says in OPEN COURT:

"... I DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH EXPERIENCE...."

Another Court appointed DP qualified coming soon????????? Watch at theaters near you. :p ;)
 
  • #446
I don't think HHJP actually addressed that part. That statement by JB is the reason that I think that Jose brought up that the defense will have to study and possibly interview everyone who wrote KC a letter. Wonder how the JAC will feel about the expenses entailed in that endeavor. :waitasec:

Poor baby. If the state did not turn this stuff over, he would be crying about them withholding evidence. How he doesn't get physically smacked upside the head at some of these hearings is beyond me.
 
  • #447
I will tell you what hit me like a ton of bricks today.....is that JB is STILL chasing theoretical defenses for his client. The comment he made when he was whining about the 5,000 documents being released and him not being able to follow up on how these "people" could come into play in this case........WHAT???? They are kookoos JB. Seriously. You need to get past the "my client is innocent" stage and get on to the real meat of the matter....providing an adequate defense. Because like it or not, this case will be on track to go to trial next year. Judge Perry will not let it be side tracked, and the train is leaving the station with or without you.



We all saw the terrible display at "lawyering"
JB did today,it was disgraceful,and we saw
it with our own eyes LIVE.

My concern is.Is he laying the groundwork
for her to get an appeal based on ineffective
counseling? It is so clear even to the lay
person that JB is lost in this case.I smell
appeal,and HHJB may not know what to do
about this atty and how he is representing
his client,to prevent this from becoming
an appealable issue.More tax dollars for
the t/p's of Florida.

It almost appeared as though he was
having a mini-breakdown,with the
ramblings about things that he should
know he/the court system/prosecution
have no control over. I don't get it.

:waitasec: JMHO
 
  • #448
Is that a child behind Mr. Ashton?


It looked like one didn't it??????? I never saw the face. Have to go back and look. Who brings a child to court and WHY?????????????
 
  • #449
BBM

Sorry, couldn't resist! :crazy::crazy::crazy:

Since May comes after March, George did attend one hearing after finding out about sexual abuse allegations and responding with a letter to ICA. To my knowledge, he hasn't attended one since.

George also went on National Television on June 15th with Cindy and when asked about the abuse allegations George said they were untrue and that "it hurts, but he still loves and supports his daughter."

I'm confused why he isn't attending hearings when he is willing to go on National Television and still stand by Casey.
 
  • #450
Respectfully snipped;

Thank you for all you hard work, and saving us from some.

Bad thing when an attorney FLAT OUT says in OPEN COURT:

"... I DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH EXPERIENCE...."

Another Court appointed DP qualified coming soon????????? Watch at theaters near you. :p ;)

Here's one of my favorites from today:

"Since then, while I was unavailable, and as well as my co-counsel, not only was over 5000 pages of discovery released, they were released to the media before I or any member of my team had the opportunity to do so."

Freudian slip maybe? LMAO!
 
  • #451
It looked like one didn't it??????? I never saw the face. Have to go back and look. Who brings a child to court and WHY?????????????

I know it's off topic but, as a kid we went to court for a field trip. Even had a field trip to jail. I guess it would depend on the age of the child. I would take my 16-year-old niece, but not my 5-year-old niece.
 
  • #452
Here's one of my favorites from today:

"Since then, while I was unavailable, and as well as my co-counsel, not only was over 5000 pages of discovery released, they were released to the media before I or any member of my team had the opportunity to do so."

Freudian slip maybe? LMAO!

Event coordinators unite!
 
  • #453
I love JB crying they have struggled for privacy, his poor client cannot order a bra without it becoming public.....

WHO FOUGHT THE GAG ORDER JB?

Why did he say that??? Why not use the word pencil??? He's dang lucky I'm not his client.
 
  • #454
We all saw the terrible display at "lawyering"
JB did today,it was disgraceful,and we saw
it with our own eyes LIVE.

My concern is.Is he laying the groundwork
for her to get an appeal based on ineffective
counseling? It is so clear even to the lay
person that JB is lost in this case.I smell
appeal,and HHJB may not know what to do
about this atty and how he is representing
his client,to prevent this from becoming
an appealable issue.More tax dollars for
the t/p's of Florida.

It almost appeared as though he was
having a mini-breakdown,with the
ramblings about things that he should
know he/the court system/prosecution
have no control over. I don't get it.

:waitasec: JMHO

I note your join date is April of this year. I don't know if you followed this case much before then, but those of us who have can tell you this behavior by Baez has been evident since his first court appearance. A lot of us believe this is a major factor in Casey being denied waiving her right to appear at motion hearings, put into place a long time ago by Judge Strickland and recently upheld by Judge Perry. IMO, this was to prevent Casey from claiming incompetent defense down the road on appeal.
 
  • #455
Since I have not seen the hearing, if a child was there, it is not unusual in legal land if it was one of their children. Nothing went haywire, no one got shot, they will be groomed for a life in the legal area. If very young, they have no idea what is going on, but get an early bit of insight not to fear Courtrooms, Judges, lawyers, inmates, etc....

JMO, and from exposure
 
  • #456
"Ever been to Fusion? Do I look fat?" Something profound like that I'm sure. :sick:



:blowkiss::nluv::rotfl::rotfl:
 
  • #457
We all saw the terrible display at "lawyering"
JB did today,it was disgraceful,and we saw
it with our own eyes LIVE.

My concern is.Is he laying the groundwork
for her to get an appeal based on ineffective
counseling? It is so clear even to the lay
person that JB is lost in this case.I smell
appeal,and HHJB may not know what to do
about this atty and how he is representing
his client,to prevent this from becoming
an appealable issue.More tax dollars for
the t/p's of Florida.

It almost appeared as though he was
having a mini-breakdown,with the
ramblings about things that he should
know he/the court system/prosecution
have no control over. I don't get it.

:waitasec: JMHO



It's just my opinion, but I totally don't think JB is smart enough to "play" stupid enough
 
  • #458
We all saw the terrible display at "lawyering"
JB did today,it was disgraceful,and we saw
it with our own eyes LIVE.


My concern is.Is he laying the groundwork
for her to get an appeal based on ineffective
counseling? It is so clear even to the lay
person that JB is lost in this case.I smell
appeal,and HHJB may not know what to do
about this atty and how he is representing
his client,to prevent this from becoming
an appealable issue.More tax dollars for
the t/p's of Florida.

It almost appeared as though he was
having a mini-breakdown,with the
ramblings about things that he should
know he/the court system/prosecution
have no control over. I don't get it.

:waitasec: JMHO

Yeah but, who are ya'll gonna believe?...him or your own eyes! LOL!:crazy::crazy::crazy:
 
  • #459
Since I have not seen the hearing, if a child was there, it is not unusual in legal land if it was one of their children. Nothing went haywire, no one got shot, they will be groomed for a life in the legal area. If very young, they have no idea what is going on, but get an early bit of insight not to fear Courtrooms, Judges, lawyers, inmates, etc....

JMO, and from exposure

And to respect the courtroom and the law.
 
  • #460
I did my best to transcribe what Baez was saying after the motion decision was made.

JB: The last status hearing in which I was unable to attend, the court, I did have the opportunity to later view it, thanks to our friends with the cameras, and I noticed the court made inquiries and nothing was mentioned as to any new discovery that was coming out. Since then, while I was unavailable, and as well as my co-counsel, not only was over 5000 pages of discovery released, they were released to the media before I or any member of my team had the opportunity to do so. Included in these 5000 pages are letters to my client from member, from people all across the country, people who I have no idea how they relate to a capital case of murder. I don’t understand the state’s intention of releasing this, what I consider very private correspondence that is not of any type of security risk to not only the public but making it a part of this case and so I, of course, I even asked co-counsel, and he doesn’t have enough experience to come up with a conclusion, either.

HHJP: When you say co-counsel, since there’s numerous co-counsel, which…

JB: Mr. Mason

HHJP: Okay.

JB: Who charmingly responded, “I don’t have enough experience to be able to figure that one out.” Many of these, many of these letters were written back as far as a year or two ago, and unfortunately, this is in violation of Judge Strickland’s order that anything the state had in it’s possession must be turned over within ten days to the defense, including this issue is one sworn statement of a Debbie Polosano (sp) who we took her deposition a week earlier. It would have been nice to have her sworn statement to the lead detective in this case prior to that. In addition to that, numerous other items, numerous other items that have absolutely no relevance to this case, Judge, and I bring this to the court’s attentions for two reasons, I’m sure you want to know, first off, the situation where we are set with deadlines, there’s a court order that requires them to turn over things within ten days of doing so, and we still get things that were issued two years ago. This has been going on, and been an ongoing process for a very long time. We’ve complained about it, obviously…

HHJP: Have you filed a motion for sanctions?

JB: Only on one occasion, Judge, and, no I have not-

HHJP: Okay.

JB: I’ll leave it at that before I make any other comments. That’s one issue, Judge, now, the other issue is these relevance arguments that, that we plan on raising, well, let me say on my first issue: We’ve got 5000 pages now which must be reviewed thoroughly, and if we’re going to follow our obligations, specifically under the ABA guidelines for capital cases, these people either need to be spoken to, we need to figure out what relevance they have to this case, how the state plans on using it against our client in any way, shape, or form, and, undoubtedly, the current deadlines that are set just simply aren’t going to work if this is the manner in which we must proceed. Now, if the state is going to contend that, “Well, we’re just turning things over, we don’t really plan on using it.” Then we’ve got another issue of, of attempting to embarrass our client by submitting things to the public, private matters to the public that aren’t a security issue. I understand that when the jail receives things, they review the mail, they check it for contraband, they see if there’s any escape plans or anything like that and that should be the end of it. I know the court has relied on the separation of powers between the, between the court and the jail, however, separation of powers doesn’t seem to play a factor or role in this case when every time we turn around, the jail is colluding with law enforcement to make their case for them. There’re those that can argue whether they have a case to begin with, but the, you have the issue of the jail sending one, one high-profile inmate to go talk to another, to, to bring out discovery, you have, you have these, these issues where the jail is taking, by request of law enforcement, my client to be told that her daughter is deceased, by allo…, by making her watch the news and videotaping it, and then you have situations where now her mail is, is being disclosed…

HHJP: Mr. Baez….

At which point Baez goes on, 'Give me another moment, Judge, blah, blah, blah...', HHJP responds with his "Bear in mind...." speech.

I took mercy and left out all the 'ah's', 'uh's', and dramatic pauses.

Oh good lord, I wanna :puke:

Are we sure this guy passed the bar exam??
 
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