2010.07.15 Defense motion to protect phone call of Robin Lunceford

[RedSox Mom]

According to this article:

http://www.wftv.com/news/24412335/detail.html

I copied this quote:

“At worst, it's an intentional misrepresentation to the court. At best, it's a faulty memory,” WFTV legal analyst Bill Sheaffer said Tuesday. “He has damaged his credibility with Judge Perry in either event.”

How do you think his damaged credibility will manifest itself with Judge Perry, if at all? Anyone?

 

[cyberborg]

Hello WS

Here we go again. This "law" stuff is amazing. It is the craziest game of "chess." This arm of the system gets to lie and use the system to lie and for gain(or whatever JB is up to or after), or maybe he is just not bright.(How did he make it this far I wonder...really, really wonder). I call him a "arm" of the system because JB had to pass certain criteria to make it to the point where he can blatantly misuse said system and it seems all they can do is play along?

To me, it's like if I had a row with my husband. First, I put my complaint to him in a motion.(that must be filed in a certain way and at a certain time)He reads said complaint, finds that I did not file my motion correctly and must make a filing to have a hearing to discuss said motion and the fact that it was not filed correctly. We then have said hearing, where judge hears my original complaint and any arguments and then hears my husbands side. Judge says he will rule and have ruling after hearing at said time.

We wait to hear said ruling and after ruling I file my complaint against my husband again and he reads it and finds it to be a lie. He can't just come right to me and say I lied...he must file a motion for a hearing for a judge to hear his complaint...

I GET that this is the system and if everyone using it were on the up and up, it might work out-someone help me out here...what is it I am describing, ya know? Why do we run our world this way? Why isn't everything out in the open? Does anyone know what I mean?

This is supposed to be about the fact that a two and a half year old girl was murdered. The merry go round above, if being rode for the benefit of justice, can be seen but the ride has been hijacked...

It's like, you could be a "crazy person" and make it though the bar...and once you are in...you get to be a "crazy person" by law. No one can say the emperor isn't wearing new clothes, they have to file a motion... :crazy:

(With all due respect to those involved in the law process who, if not so human and dedicated to what they believe, it is obvious the system wouldn't work at all...) In my humble opinion.

:twocents:

In many ways it is worse than what you cite in your analogy, in as much as you are trying to trip up the 'accuser' either to seek to get something thrown out or to establish future grounds for appeal.

I see it as a minefield that the Prosecution must cross carefully and even if they get across safely and successfully prosecute their case ..... their are still un-exploded mines that can trip you up or reverse things later.

It seems to be not so much a science but an art........

 

[nums24]

Baez filed a response! Hopefully one of the news stations will be able to get it later.

07/27/2010 Response to State of Florida's Response to Defendant's Motion for Protective Order Regarding Telephone Recording

 

[Pattymarie]

OK...maybe I am dense today...but I can't figure out why JB is trying to keep the recording from being released? What is he trying to hide? If the girl is a career criminal, who cares what she has to say? Or is it something he said?
Why is this such a big deal?

 

[logicalgirl]

Baez filed a response! Hopefully one of the news stations will be able to get it later.

07/27/2010 Response to State of Florida's Response to Defendant's Motion for Protective Order Regarding Telephone Recording

:waitasec: So let me get this straight. First Baez filed a motion to seal these calls because A) he didn't know they were being recorded and it would be illegal for anyone to listen to them.:banghead::banghead:

Then he asks a couple of cronies or thinks about it and says to himself - hmm that might not fly cause it's so stupid:loser:

So he proceeds to file a Supplementary Motion to offer another reason that just might work - it's work product.

Then elegant LDB responds saying Uh Uh tsk tsk etc., and the whole legal community falls to the floor laughing at yet another gaffe:floorlaugh:

And seriously, now Baez has filed a response? Really?:slap:

Okay this is a serious question, K? Are there any alcohol or drug problems lurking here? Cause gee.....

 

[PMLsmom]

Baez filed a response! Hopefully one of the news stations will be able to get it later.

07/27/2010 Response to State of Florida's Response to Defendant's Motion for Protective Order Regarding Telephone Recording

Okay - Where is MM? Hopefully in the vicinity of the courthouse! This otta be rich!

 

[MADJGNLAW]

:furious: Baez is lying and wasting the courts time and money IMO! :furious:
BBM

Is Casey Anthony’s lawyer lying?


Last Updated: July 27, 2010 3:43 PM
ORLANDO -- Prosecutors say Jose Baez, is not telling the truth.

Baez says a phone call between him and a prison inmate shouldn't be released to the public. He claims he didn't know it was being recorded. But prosecutors say he should have known better. (Baez is flat out lying, he knew the call was coming from a prisoner, in a prison, at a set time. He knows that "all" calls from jails/prisons are recorded, Lunceford is "NOT" his client so he can't claim this call as work product IMO.)
Robin Lunceford is a prison inmate in Ocala who called Baez in May to say she had information that could help his defense of Anthony.

Because that call originated from a prison, it was recorded.

Baez claims he never heard a warning indicating the call from Lunceford was recorded. ( The Fact that it came from a prison/prisoner Baez "knows" that the call is being recorded. Heck, look how strict he is with Casey, IMO he will not let her make calls because he fears what will be said and recorded. So, IMO Baez is very aware of how jail/prison/inmate calls work. "THEY ARE RECORDED")
Prosecutor Burdick says the state essentially doesn't care if the call is made public, but she blasts Baez’s legal reasoning to keep it private. (At this point I hope that the state ask for the calls to be made public, Baez is trying to hide something IMO.)
Burdick writes “that Mr. Baez was ‘never made aware that the call was being recorded' is simply untrue.” (In other words, Baez lied!)
Burdick indicates that she has heard the tape, even though defense lawyers haven't. (If I recall correctly, didn't Baez make an arrogant remark about this call. Said something to the effect if LDB listen to the call it was a felony/illegal/compared it to the call with the search J.Jordan? How will this come into play now, LDB admits to listening to the call. I would assume it is legal though right?)
She claims Baez did in fact hear a taped recording at the beginning of his phone call with Lunceford that warns "this call is subject to recording and monitoring."

Burdick writes that Lunceford "advised Baez she is not telling him everything she knows because these phones are recorded." (To top it off, the person he was speaking to refreshed his memory by telling him, "hey the call is being recorded so I can't tell you more". How can Baez continue to waste the courts time and lie? IMO, he should be penalized. Made to pay a large fee to the state, we don't want him off the case because we don't want any reason for Casey to win an appeal. But make him pay some green $$$$$$ for lying and wasting the courts time!)
News 13 is the only news station to interview Lunceford.

 

[cyberborg]

OK...maybe I am dense today...but I can't figure out why JB is trying to keep the recording from being released? What is he trying to hide? If the girl is a career criminal, who cares what she has to say? Or is it something he said?
Why is this such a big deal?

The way LDB seemed to characterize the call, Lunceford was going off on Maya and so it taints her testimony that it was all orchestrated lies about ICA.

Obviously the context of hearing the call and how Lunceford presented to JB is very damaging. That's why it is such a big deal. She is not a credible witness unless stage managed. Her mouth ran away........

 

[strawberry]

Baez filed a response! Hopefully one of the news stations will be able to get it later.

07/27/2010 Response to State of Florida's Response to Defendant's Motion for Protective Order Regarding Telephone Recording

He is such an overgrown child!! Has to get the last word in...did not, did too, did not, did too.

 

[ThinkTank]

According to this article:

http://www.wftv.com/news/24412335/detail.html

I copied this quote:

“At worst, it's an intentional misrepresentation to the court. At best, it's a faulty memory,” WFTV legal analyst Bill Sheaffer said Tuesday. “He has damaged his credibility with Judge Perry in either event.”

How do you think his damaged credibility will manifest itself with Judge Perry, if at all? Anyone?

Wonder if Judge P will pay close attention to anything JB files from now on, as to the truthfulness of it?
Such as the TES filings where MN says JB filed those motions in BAD FAITH.

 

[MADJGNLAW]

Baez filed a response! Hopefully one of the news stations will be able to get it later.

07/27/2010 Response to State of Florida's Response to Defendant's Motion for Protective Order Regarding Telephone Recording

Is this it? The way it sounds it is two calls that Baez wants sealed from an inmate in a Florida prison that called him collect. So is he saying that in both calls he did not know he was being recorded?

Prosecutors Claim Baez Has 'Faulty Memory'
Baez Seeks To Have Conversations With Inmate Sealed

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UPDATED: 6:04 pm EDT July 27, 2010
Video Report at article link: http://www.wesh.com/news/24407924/detail.html

Prosecutors accused Baez of having a "faulty memory" and making "simply untrue" claims about recorded phone calls with a prison inmate.


Jose Baez has filed two motions in an attempt to have his conversations with state prison inmate Robin Lunceford sealed.



The new filing by prosecutors also provided details about the recorded calls.

Read Prosecution Response http://www.wesh.com/pdf/24408283/detail.html



Read Baez' Response http://www.wesh.com/pdf/24413703/detail.html


Prosecutors said Baez and his staff added little to the calls. They mostly contain so-called rantings by Lunceford.

Prosecutors argued Baez has no right to claim these calls are confidential attorney work product and no right to privacy.



Baez has asked Judge Belvin Perry to seal the calls while he continues to investigate Lunceford's claim. Prosecutors asked Perry to deny the request.

Late Tuesday, Baez submitted a reply to Burdick's statement, saying he doesn't even have a copy of the call in question.

 

[strawberry]

Thanks to madjgnlaw in the current news thread: Baez response

http://www.wesh.com/pdf/24413703/detail.html

 

[ThinkTank]

Is this it? The way it sounds it is two calls that Baez wants sealed from an inmate in a Florida prison that called him collect. So is he saying that in both calls he did not know he was being recorded?

http://www.wesh.com/pdf/24413703/detail.html

Baez' response to the State's response

All I read was blah ... blah ... blah ... she made me look bad ... blah ... blah ... blah ....

He says the State has no position on this matter ... but Judge Perry himself TOLD Ms LDB to file a response. She was only doing what the Judge told her to do.

And still .... JB has not Noticed the correctional institution .....

 

[strawberry]

oooooh defensive much? He tries to imitate LDB's classy digs but it just comes out as a whiny temper tantrum. And look, I think he was reading here again...I believe I read #4 about work product in this thread somewhere.

 

[strawberry]

http://www.wesh.com/pdf/24413703/detail.html


All I read was blah ... blah ... blah ... she made me look bad ... blah ... blah ... blah ....

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RSBM Me too. blah blah boo hoo

 

[strawberry]

He says he doesn't have a faulty memory, the call was two months ago. You know what I say to that...why are you filing now? Why didn't you file two months ago?

 

[mydailyopinions]

Baez complains about not knowing the conversation was recorded and even tries to claim that because it was 2 months ago, how could anyone expect him to remember...
WTH? He's the one who told Casey not to make calls for this reason...DUH

 

[cyberborg]

Actually what JB is floating in this motion is both the ability to seek redaction of certain parts of the call, if it is going to be released or the ability for the Defense to listen to the call as well so they can make intelligent objections.

Damage control but JB may get relief in terms of redaction or the ability to listen and object further. Such a distraction and rabbit hole.........

 

[LambChop]

Baez complains about not knowing the conversation was recorded and even tries to claim that because it was 2 months ago, how could anyone expect him to remember...
WTH? He's the one who told Casey not to make calls for this reason...DUH

Wonder if it totalled 62 days????

 

[RR0004]

http://www.wesh.com/pdf/24413703/detail.html

Baez' response to the State's response

All I read was blah ... blah ... blah ... she made me look bad ... blah ... blah ... blah ....

He says the State has no position on this matter ... but Judge Perry himself TOLD Ms LDB to file a response. She was only doing what the Judge told her to do.

And still .... JB has not Noticed the correctional institution .....

If whatever RL had to say was so important, why not pay her a visit. It's ridiculous for him to say he was unaware that the call was recorded. He's an attorney for goodness sake. The mere mention that he would accept an "illegally" made call is proof enough for me that this man will go to any length to smear, undermine, and embarrass Lady Justice.