2010.07.19 Defense is Investigating George

[crucibelle]

In regards to who Caylee's father is: I have often wondered if that Brian Snow guy is the father. I know he supposedly fathered another child of KC's (that she miscarried) and that she was all upset and crying over him at some party. But, I wonder if there was more to all that upset and crying... maybe he fathered Caylee as well? Just speculation, of course and JMO.

 

[crucibelle]

One thing they appear to be hiding, that I would like to know more about, is "is this like last time?"

I'm so glad you brought this up. I would like to know more about that, too. The thing I find very telling is that the video of that visitation in which Lee made that remark has been completely pulled from the internet. You cannot find it ANYwhere, now. Makes one wonder, you know...

ETA -- I apologize for posting three times in a row. My thoughts are scattered and it didn't occur to me to just edit my first post and add all of this. Please forgive me, and I will endeavor to be more aware of this in the future. Thank you for allowing me to be a member and to post on this wonderful forum.

 

[faefrost]

and here is the big question....does it have a chance? Would saying that George found Caylee deceased (from a seizure or a drowning) and that HE dumped Caylee....and that KC did allllll that lying to "protect" George from prosecution.... could any of that possibly fly for a juror who hasn't been following all this? (I shutter to think!)

You can tell just from watching some of the early videos or listening to some early LE interviews with George that they very early on had a concern about GA seeking to fall on his sword and take the rap for KC. It has to be something that they have investigated specifically to deal with and have a heavy battery of strategies prepared to deal with it. I think they have more than enough evidence to fully rule out GA, LA, CA and any other likely candidates for self sacrificing or getting hit with a bus.

Any true suspicions of CA will evaporate in the juries mind when they hear the 911 tapes. Probably the only truly honest moment she has had in all of this and deeply compelling.

Any suspicions of GA will evaporate with the testimony from the tow yard operator and some of his earlier interviews with LE. if nothing else he did not know what to expect in that trunk.

 

[LancelotLink]

I'm so glad you brought this up. I would like to know more about that, too. The thing I find very telling is that the video of that visitation in which Lee made that remark has been completely pulled from the internet. You cannot find it ANYwhere, now. Makes one wonder, you know...

ETA -- I apologize for posting three times in a row. My thoughts are scattered and it didn't occur to me to just edit my first post and add all of this. Please forgive me, and I will endeavor to be more aware of this in the future. Thank you for allowing me to be a member and to post on this wonderful forum.

BMM
I do that all the time. But then again, I'm old, can't hear, etc, LOL

 

[faefrost]

In regards to who Caylee's father is: I have often wondered if that Brian Snow guy is the father. I know he supposedly fathered another child of KC's (that she miscarried) and that she was all upset and crying over him at some party. But, I wonder if there was more to all that upset and crying... maybe he fathered Caylee as well? Just speculation, of course and JMO.

I've said this before. Treat any and all stories like this as probable KC lies until or unless they are clearly confirmed by some other evidence. If KC was pregnant again and miscarried, barring an OB/GYN report, chances are it was just another one of her pointless and insane lies. Do not trust stories where the primary point of origination ultimately has to be KC. She is an absolute master at manipulating those around her into believing and spreading this stuff. Odds are we will never know who Caylee's father is. Chances are KC doesn't even know his name. if she did know him she would have found some way to use it to her profit or advantage somewhere along the line. Much the same way as she obviously tried to use the Grunds until they figured her out.

 

[LolaMoon08]

I think George has a job... nothing more... nothing less.

We're talking about a man, who was accused, along with his son, of doing the most unthinkable thing (sexual molestation/incest) with his own daughter... by his daughter... and he went on National Television and basically said that Casey was just trying to fit in.

Cindy's "unemployment" benefits should be up this month too?

 

[crucibelle]

BMM
I do that all the time. But then again, I'm old, can't hear, etc, LOL

LOL! Well, I'm 38 and don't consider myself "old", but my hearing is terrible... can't hear worth a crap. So, I feel you on that one!

I've said this before. Treat any and all stories like this as probable KC lies until or unless they are clearly confirmed by some other evidence. If KC was pregnant again and miscarried, barring an OB/GYN report, chances are it was just another one of her pointless and insane lies. Do not trust stories where the primary point of origination ultimately has to be KC. She is an absolute master at manipulating those around her into believing and spreading this stuff. Odds are we will never know who Caylee's father is. Chances are KC doesn't even know his name. if she did know him she would have found some way to use it to her profit or advantage somewhere along the line. Much the same way as she obviously tried to use the Grunds until they figured her out.

Very, very true, faefrost. It could very well just be one of her MANY lies. I do remain mindful of that, but it's in my nature to brainstorm and speculate, regardless. I know there's a good chance I could be wrong, but I just wanted to throw it out there as a possibility and to get some feedback... which you have provided, and I appreciate it!

 

[LancelotLink]

LOL! Well, I'm 38 and don't consider myself "old", but my hearing is terrible... can't hear worth a crap. So, I feel you on that one!

:lol:
I don't really. I was referencing our favorite octogenarian, J :lol: CM.

I hope more than the defense is investigating GA. Early on, LE clued into him as knowing alot about alot of things. We now know that while he was professing to be keeping his family together and tailing the kidnappers, he was apparently otherwise occupied. I have to wonder if his new attorney has advised him to stay away from the proceedings, or if he even still retains said new attorney.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

another hearing today, (1/3/11) and again...NO GEORGE.

We know from George's letter that he was/is upset by being asked questions by Cheney Mason...questions that "insulted" him. I have not read through this entire thread...but has it been proffered that the reason the defense doesn't seem to care all that much about their expert witnesses and their reports is because they are going to agree that Caylee died, and KC knew what she knew about it but that George was involved? Involved as in did his poor grandchild in (or found her dead from natural causes) and then disposed of her etcetera etcetera?? Has George gotten wind of the fact that their reasonable doubt is not about coffin flies or chloroform...but about HIM and how poor KC did allll that lying in order to protect him???

George was the last person to see Caylee. I think the reason we don't see George anymore.....is because he realizes (to his horror) that they truly are going to try to justify her lying to "protect George"....it's so laughable, but honest to pete---this makes sense. Think about it, he did not stop coming to court when she accused him of molesting her. He even told interviewers that no matter what she says he will love her unconditionally. But what about NOW...what changed? I think it is that he does realize that they are coming after HIM for sure!

Someone better check to make sure GA hasn't left the country! LOL

 

[Woe.be.gone]

I'm so glad you brought this up. I would like to know more about that, too. The thing I find very telling is that the video of that visitation in which Lee made that remark has been completely pulled from the internet. You cannot find it ANYwhere, now. Makes one wonder, you know...

ETA -- I apologize for posting three times in a row. My thoughts are scattered and it didn't occur to me to just edit my first post and add all of this. Please forgive me, and I will endeavor to be more aware of this in the future. Thank you for allowing me to be a member and to post on this wonderful forum.

BMM
I do that all the time. But then again, I'm old, can't hear, etc, LOL

LancelotLink, that'll be my excuse too!
Aren't we allowed to post three times in a row? I'm in deep ______! :crazy:

 

[Woe.be.gone]

In regards to who Caylee's father is: I have often wondered if that Brian Snow guy is the father. I know he supposedly fathered another child of KC's (that she miscarried) and that she was all upset and crying over him at some party. But, I wonder if there was more to all that upset and crying... maybe he fathered Caylee as well? Just speculation, of course and JMO.

I'm pretty sure we figured out that BS and KC met after Caylee was born.
KC has a good friend, Ryan P., who Caylee favored. We referred to him as 'Porch Guy' for awhile because we didn't know his name. If you put that in the search box you may find the thread and read more. If you put 'Ryan' in, you may find his picture and you'll see what I mean. :seeya: Three posts and I'm out - nite.

 

[affinity]

You can tell just from watching some of the early videos or listening to some early LE interviews with George that they very early on had a concern about GA seeking to fall on his sword and take the rap for KC. It has to be something that they have investigated specifically to deal with and have a heavy battery of strategies prepared to deal with it. I think they have more than enough evidence to fully rule out GA, LA, CA and any other likely candidates for self sacrificing or getting hit with a bus.

Any true suspicions of CA will evaporate in the juries mind when they hear the 911 tapes. Probably the only truly honest moment she has had in all of this and deeply compelling.

Any suspicions of GA will evaporate with the testimony from the tow yard operator and some of his earlier interviews with LE. if nothing else he did not know what to expect in that trunk.

Right. Understood!...However, if GA was never going to "fall on a sword for Casey" (and I don't think that ever occurred to him, he doesn't love KC THAT much!)....the idea I had was that the defense would use him to explain away all KC's crazy lies:

"She was lying, telling all these bizarre untruths.... because she knew the truth, that her own father did this...and she loves him so that she couldn't bear for him to be punished"

Now George has learned that this specifically is the defense plan and it has finally hacked him off in a major way and made it so he has cut himself off from Casey and everyone involved. Just a theory!
(I agree...it would be hard to sell...based on KC's prior lies that didn't involve GA killing/harming/dumping Caylee).

 

[crucibelle]

LancelotLink, that'll be my excuse too!
Aren't we allowed to post three times in a row? I'm in deep ______! :crazy:

Oh, I'm not sure about that; I just know that some forums don't like multiple posts in a row, so I was trying to be careful.

About Ryan P -- I actually just saw a photo of Caylee and him side by side, and I see what you mean! Very compelling...

 

[Purple Iris]

Casey doesn't seem to even have friends from school, there usually was no job, if there was a guy in a relationship they'd be trying for child support, so not knowing is probably right. Casey probably told several different stories at various times. Wonder if any guys tried to step forward and tell LE that she claimed they were the daddy. If she knew the guy's name she must have done something besides trying to tell Jesse that the baby was his at four months along. I figure the daddy was a college student who really was only in town for a bit or left and wanted nothing to do with her or else she slept with several and had no idea.

Maybe she met up with someone that lied as much as she did, and as other's have said, she really doesn't know who it is.

I have always thought that she didn't, cause, again, as other's have said, she would have gone after them in a New York Minute for support.
And, I fully believe that Cindy would have also, even with her controlling ways; she would not have let that get in her way.

Remember, you don't "mess with the Anthony's, you will NOT win".

 

[strawberry]

Maybe he's missing. Has it been 31 days since the "no marital troubles" statement? Has anyone checked myspace for mysterious poems?

 

[manatee]

Maybe he's missing. Has it been 31 days since the "no marital troubles" statement? Has anyone checked myspace for mysterious poems?

:great: "LOL"! :floorlaugh:

 

[crucibelle]

Maybe he's missing. Has it been 31 days since the "no marital troubles" statement? Has anyone checked myspace for mysterious poems?

Or perhaps he's out partying and entering hot body contests AKA "ugly coping".

 

[Aedrys]

Right. Understood!...However, if GA was never going to "fall on a sword for Casey" (and I don't think that ever occurred to him, he doesn't love KC THAT much!)....the idea I had was that the defense would use him to explain away all KC's crazy lies:

"She was lying, telling all these bizarre untruths.... because she knew the truth, that her own father did this...and she loves him so that she couldn't bear for him to be punished"

Now George has learned that this specifically is the defense plan and it has finally hacked him off in a major way and made it so he has cut himself off from Casey and everyone involved. Just a theory!
(I agree...it would be hard to sell...based on KC's prior lies that didn't involve GA killing/harming/dumping Caylee).

I think in the beginning, it was more "hey, let's just confuse the jury and make them think that there could be another possibility here, like George could have possibly done this." He wouldn't really have to fall on his sword, just be used as confusion and reasonable doubt for the jury. So in essence, he wouldn't really be under the bus.
Then Casey brought in the accusations of sexual abuse, and Cindy tried to make it look like George knew more about the smell than she did or something to that effect in the 911 hearing, and I think George realized he wasn't going to be used for confusion and reasonable doubt. Instead, he was going to FULLY be thrown under the bus to free Casey. I don't think he likes that one bit, and I think that's why he stopped coming to the hearings. He never planned on really sacrificing himself for Casey, but she was more than willing to sacrifice him to save herself. And apparently even Cindy is willing to sacrifice him too to save Casey. That has to hurt him a lot. No wonder he can't go to those hearings, and no wonder there's probably marriage troubles brewing (hence the "we're okay, there are no marriage troubles" statement from Cindy).

 

[Intermezzo]

Or perhaps he's out partying and entering hot body contests AKA "ugly coping".

Well he's not at Fusian Ultra Lounge...it's closed.

The weblink to Fusian directs use to a new Fusian Express Restaurant on Colonial

 

[strawberry]

I noticed on WFTV where they have the pictures of the hearing, it used to say see Casey, Attorneys, Family. Now it says see Casey, Attorneys, Cindy. LOL