2010.07.19 Defense is Investigating George

[Cat13067]

Wow. I login to check over here and find this info! WTF? The phrases, "You've got to be kidding me," and "You can't make this stuff up" keep running through my mind. TWA, I think you and I are going to hate that second phrase after this case is over.

Apparently the defense learned NOTHING from the last hearing! Like the SA isn't going to have every bit of paper and evidence they can find to demolish whatever idiotic attempt they are going to make to squash George under the bus. Desperation, defense, you're REEKING of it. I bet the SA is having a good ol' laugh over this one.

Hmmmm. Makes me wonder if George was having serious thoughts of switching teams, finally, and this is Casey's way of reigning him back in. And look no comment from Conway, not a reaction from Cindy. Like she's just going to let them investigate her husband when she's given them so many other people to investigate? If she is, is this throwing family members one by one to the wolves to see whatever gets Casey off at any cost? You gonna sacrifice yourself at some point, Cindy, after you help the defense throw George and then probably Lee under the bus?

WHEN DOES IT STOP? When does this insanity over freeing princess Casey STOP? When does CAYLEE freaking matter anymore? This is just ridiculous, and heartbreaking. All of this for a waste, a huge WASTE.

And I was wondering why Cindy admitted in the last hearing that she saw Caylee last on the 15th, and tried to pin know what the smell was on George. She's distancing herself from him, setting him up to be the fall guy, and I can't believe he's just going to let this happen unless she's taken certain brass items of his out of her purse and is now beating him with them. Good LORD.

Last chance, George. You either get out, or you're toast. I can't believe he'd be all lovey dovey and supportive of Casey at all after this. And what a monster, literally shredding her family to avoid responsibility. I'd love to hear what the naysayers have to say about this. I mean, seriously.

Wow, I get depression from the Kyron Horman case, which looks to be long haul, and not be to overdone, I get anger and frustration out of this case! I mean really, defense, do you have NOTHING left but to tear apart her family? Is that the best you've got after ALL of this time?

Makes me think Lee said I love you to Casey just so this wouldn't happen to him. Smart move on his part!

Great Post!! Well, maybe after the defense found out Ms. Dennis is no longer representing DC, perhaps because he flipped over to the prosecution for immunity the defense decided what did they have to lose by throwing GA under the bus. They could try, and take down DC testimony about what GA told him about Caylee being in the woods. Somehow I think this is tied to DC.

 

[Cat13067]

OMG - exactly. Cut her off completely (that's the first thing I would do). I don't recall Lee ever putting money into her account. And didn't he (Lee) just about run out of the courtroom when he was done testifying the other day. GA definitely needs to switch sides!!!!

MOO

Mel

LA didn't walk out of the court he trotted out with his gf with the shorts shorts on.

 

[wildchild1961]

Yet GA was the one KC wanted to see when asked to pick from her family members. Doesn't make sense!

Actually.. I think it makes perfect sense that she asked for George. She wanted nothing to do with talking with Cindy because all Cindy wanted to do was bring the discussions back around to Caylee. In the recent hearing, Casey has proven she has the tightest bond with Lee.. which would most likely have made lying to him more difficult than lying to CA or GA. Whereas George was the non confrontational soother.. he was full of "hey beautiful" and a whole lot of non threatening talk. Once she was in jail, he very rarely demanded anything so stressful from her such as answering questions about Caylee. IMO.. he was the most easily manipulated during the family's visits with her, hence.. he was the logical choice when she was asked to pick only one.

my opinion only
wild

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Did those studies mention that the victims were pathologically lying psychopaths (IMO)?

I didn't see those three particular words strung together but if you google you can potentially read all day long as there has been ample research. All of the research concludes that this type of 'taboo' behavior can be and usually is extremely damaging (like two and a half more times damaging than if you constantly beat a kid to punish her) when done by a father to a daughter. Very damaging to a developing girl's psyche and we know KC acts damaged.

Of course, we don't know if this behavior went on in the A household but it has been mentioned by people during their interviews with LE who say they heard about it before Caylee's death so it does make me wonder if there is any truth there. They thought it important enough to bring it up to LE anyway. Why would KC tell this lie to anybody? I mean I guess she could have said these things because she is a liar but why would she. Maybe she was really trying to have someone hear her. It's possible.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Is Casey engaging in a ‘scorched earth’ policy by throwing now George, and in the future (and there is little doubt in my mind that this will happen) Cindy and Lee under the bus?

[ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scorched_earth[/ame]

A scorched earth policy is a military strategy or operational method which involves destroying anything that might be useful to the enemy while advancing through or withdrawing from an area.

Does Casey believe since her father is the person who is most useful to her enemies (LE and the prosecution in this case) that he needs to be destroyed? I think so. If George’s focus is taken off what is right here, and onto protecting himself from destruction, of course he is less useful to her enemies, he will be focused on himself. And if Casey can conjure up a story to tell about George that is so sensational, so fascinating that it takes all the attention off her, even for a week during a crucial time in the trial, then that will be to her benefit too. We’ve seen this scenario act itself out in the OJ trial.....I know I don’t need to remind you.

Further down in the linked wikipedia article is a description of the psychopath’s (in this case Adolf Hitler) final act when all their evil deeds have not achieved what they were intended;

“In 1945, Adolf Hitler ordered his minister of armaments Albert Speer to carry out a nationwide scorched earth policy, in what became known as the Nero Order. Hitler felt that the German people had shown themselves to be weak, and undeserving of a leader such as himself. Having failed their test of character, they should be condemned to destruction.[13] Speer, who was looking to the future, actively resisted the order, just as he had earlier refused Hitler’s command to destroy French industry when the Wehrmacht was being driven out of France, and managed to continue doing so even after Hitler became aware of his actions.[14]”

Does Casey believe her family is undeserving of a daughter such as her, that they have failed a test of character, and they should be condemned to destruction? Well if she does we will see it by her deeds, and by the deeds of her ‘men at arms’. We must never forget that she is a psychopath, and thinks and reacts as a psychopath, and ultimate destruction is part of the package.

I wonder if Baez like Speer has enough foresight (and self interest for his own future as either a Lawyer, Crime Analyst, Author or Media Darling) to stop short of being party to completely destroying the rest of the Anthony Family? I hope so, but unfortunately past actions are the best predictor of future ones aren’t they.

 

[I Din Doot]

Well, CA says she wanted to commit suicide too. She is on disability for her mental condition. Her "I still think Caylee is alive" statement is more fuel for the fire.

Maybe the script has always been just to get the whole family certified and discredit all their testimomy.

It won't change the evidence or slow down that final infusion for the Princess, IMO.:angel:

 

[Mamabear1963]

Had a horrid thought last night...I almost don't want to say it...because one I don't believe it for a split second and two I don't want to give them any ideas.

You all don't think they will go with GA molesting Caylee and something went wrong...and KC is covering for him?

(I know if this really was the case KC would have been screaming from the housetops early on)

 

[jandkmom]

Had a horrid thought last night...I almost don't want to say it...because one I don't believe it for a split second and two I don't want to give them any ideas.

You all don't think they will go with GA molesting Caylee and something went wrong...and KC is covering for him?

(I know if this really was the case KC would have been screaming from the housetops early on)

That may be were the defense is trying to go, but I don't buy it. They are looking for anything that would create doubt.

 

[Mamabear1963]

That may be were the defense is trying to go, but I don't buy it. They are looking for anything that would create doubt.

Oh, ITA, smoke and mirrors type of reasonable doubt. And I don't think the jury will buy it either.

(though it does seem like there are some here that find doubt. reasonable or not)

 

[doogiesgirl]

I'm still processing this whole deal, but these are the thoughts that permeate my mind right now:

GA was the one who tried to help Tim Miller by begging Casey to mark an 'X' on the map;

GA, after that episode, eventually ended up at the hotel with Tim Miller and the TES crew after Cindy supposedly threw him out for being 'disloyal';

GA was the one who, during his interview with LE (or the FBI?), tried to be as truthful as he could allow himself to be, even stating "I hope this goes no further than between the 3 of us";

GA was the one that did what he could to make Cindy face the truth by going to Sports Authority to confirm his belief that Casey did NOT work there and, true to form, was lying again;

GA was the one who was so distraught during his interview with LE that he actually had to leave to throw-up when discussing the possibility that his daughter could have murdered his beloved Caylee;

GA had obviously expressed his true feelings to his friend from Ohio (name escapes me, but former LE also) when his friend stated, "The answer is in THAT room and the b*tch won't talk";

GA was the one that called the cops when the gas cans were 'stolen' and I don't doubt for a minute he knew exactly who broke in that shed;

GA was the one who found an excuse to go to the trunk of the Pontiac despite Casey's tantrum and took his f'ing gas cans;

GA is the one who testified at the Grand Jury hearing who obviously had damaging testimony that helped to indict his daughter;

George & Cindy's separation was in large part due to disagreements over Casey;

and last, but certainly not least -

I don't believe for a minute that George is on board with this defense plot and willingly playing the role of sacrfical lamb. Yes, I know what he has said in the past, but his body language and his demeanor were real and sincere - his absences from several of the recent hearings post the sexual abuse allegations and especially his demeanor and body language at Thursday's hearings screamed anger, depression, disgust, hurt, betrayal... The pure iciness between he and Cindy - they appear to be on the verge of divorce, imo. I opined a few weeks ago that I think he is reassessing just how willing he is to lie down on those tracks as the train is heading for him....I feel that way more than ever today.


George needs to go spend a few weeks with his friend from Ohio and remove himself from the insanity and pressure. He needs to have a 'Come to meet Jesus' with himself...watch Bambi alone, watch home movies of Caylee and JoJo, go outside and look at the moon and stars -- just channel Caylee and remember how much he loved her and she loved him. Recall all the joy she brought into his life. Those are the influences George needs right now. That is what will help him work through his grief and give him new insight. He MUST get away from Cindy. She is pure poison for him right now, he might as well drink arsenic if he stays around her. George is an easy target and I am sure there was not a 1/2 second of thought about who would be the one to 'take one for the A team' 'cause they stand united, ya know?

Maybe there are things influencing him and giving his pause (other than Cindy, of course ). Maybe he HAS done some things that he fears will be exposed (I don't doubt that at all) - either embarrassing or things that could cause potential legal problems....yes, even criminal. One thing I AM SURE OF, is that George did NOT murder Caylee. If that is the case, I wish the SA would offer him immunity for anything they possibly could and get him on their side...Caylee's side. Divided they WILL fall. I want Caylee's JoJo to be a hero for her.

I pray for George to finally muster the strength, confidence and independence to not allow himself to be used like this. I know she is your daughter, George and you love her, but Casey is a black widow who destroys everyone and everything in her path. Face it, Casey is already 'gone'. Enough people have suffered. Don't do it, George. Don't do it. Please make us proud. Most importantly, make Caylee proud. She needs her JoJo now more than ever. And you need to do it for yourself.

I'm not holding out a lot of hope, because George has never had an easy time of standing up for himself, but I'm pulling for him.

Speaking of GA. Did anyone else think there was something different about him at the last hearing? I finally figured out what it was when I saw a picture of he and CA walking away (or to?) from the courthouse-----he's been working out. His arms and shoulders/chest are more buff. That is the behavior of a man who is thinking of divorcing his wife. I've seen it before. Actually men AND women do it. It's kind of like...get your body strong(and looking it's best) first, and then that gives you confidence to go your separate way. Yeah, I think leaving CA is on GA's mind....maybe that was KC's whole plan with the "I dreamt my dad came into my room to ??? when I was little" (not exact quote). Sounds like a KC plan to me.

:cow:

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

Just when you thought they couldn't get any more disgusting...:innocent:

So no more JG, no more RK and now they have moved down the chart of whos' who in this diabolical plan to "free" the one who sits accused. My goodness, will they stop at nothing????:banghead:

This defense team needs to watch their steps. GA has too much knowledge of this inmates character and it will backfire big time. During his interviews with LE/FBI it was George they reached out to. It was George who kept coming back to that awful smell. It was George who knows whatever happened to Caylee he could also loose another child. I think the defense is grasping so hard at any straws they can, their fingers are loosing touch with themselves...Shame, shame on ICA for allowing this to take place.

This prisoner should be woman enough to stand up to her actions and do what's right for Caylee. She needs to stop besmirching her name and come clean. Why aren't the defense looking straight in this prisoners eyes and tell her, her goose is cooked. Plead guilty and beg for leniency...what a circus, eh...

I feel for George for he looked like he was always the odd man out! Justice for Caylee will happen even with all these smoke and mirror illusions this defense will put out!

Justice for Caylee

 

[zoey]

Wow...I just saw it too. Kathy B reported and Bill S commented. Can't believe they are trying to discredit him...after everything he did to try to backtrack for ICA. No wonder he stopped attending the hearings (other than 7/15).
I'm hearing the bus louder than ever!

think it is a train.....a long black train......

 

[zoey]

Just when you thought they couldn't get any more disgusting...:innocent:

So no more JG, no more RK and now they have moved down the chart of whos' who in this diabolical plan to "free" the one who sits accused. My goodness, will they stop at nothing????:banghead:

This defense team needs to watch their steps. GA has too much knowledge of this inmates character and it will backfire big time. During his interviews with LE/FBI it was George they reached out to. It was George who kept coming back to that awful smell. It was George who knows whatever happened to Caylee he could also loose another child. I think the defense is grasping so hard at any straws they can, their fingers are loosing touch with themselves...Shame, shame on ICA for allowing this to take place.

This prisoner should be woman enough to stand up to her actions and do what's right for Caylee. She needs to stop besmirching her name and come clean. Why aren't the defense looking straight in this prisoners eyes and tell her, her goose is cooked. Plead guilty and beg for leniency...what a circus, eh...

I feel for George for he looked like he was always the odd man out! Justice for Caylee will happen even with all these smoke and mirror illusions this defense will put out!

Justice for Caylee

ITA.....but that is probably all the more reason ------they are a shameful bunch! SHAMEFUL!!!!:furious::furious: I just hope that the truth prevails and GA fights back----

 

[ZsaZsa]

I didn't see those three particular words strung together but if you google you can potentially read all day long as there has been ample research. All of the research concludes that this type of 'taboo' behavior can be and usually is extremely damaging (like two and a half more times damaging than if you constantly beat a kid to punish her) when done by a father to a daughter. Very damaging to a developing girl's psyche and we know KC acts damaged.

Of course, we don't know if this behavior went on in the A household but it has been mentioned by people during their interviews with LE who say they heard about it before Caylee's death so it does make me wonder if there is any truth there. They thought it important enough to bring it up to LE anyway. Why would KC tell this lie to anybody? I mean I guess she could have said these things because she is a liar but why would she. Maybe she was really trying to have someone hear her. It's possible.

Why would she lie about it?
The same reason she lied about everything else- her school reports, her 'college' education, her job, her nanny, her activities, her spending,her parents impending divorce, her father's stroke, the house being transferred to her name,the list is endless, but not least what she did with Caylee. There is absolutely no reason to my mind, to believe this one story. It is done for attention only.
She knows there are a lot of gullible people out there who will say 'Ah, but she is so amoral, that is probably why'- it's obviously someone elses fault that she is a compulsive liar and a promiscuous thief, instead of being a lifestyle she just chooses.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

I think what Casey and her team have in store for George (and the rest of the Anthony's) in the upcoming trial is nothing compared to what she will subject Baez to when she turns on him for losing the fight for her life. If he has exposed himself in any way (and I believe he has) and she knows about it, he can expect that to come out post trial via Casey in some sly or overt way, and no doubt she'll throw in a few damaging fabrications to juice up the story when she does it.

That's the thing about psychopaths you know .. one minute you're taking a walk on the wild side with them at their bidding, and the next thing you're up to your neck in it and they're selling you down the river.

 

[zoey]

I haven't read thru the whole thread yet and I apologize if it has been posted already

I am wondering if the Defense are now trying to find some way to get George's statements tossed or discredit him somehow since they lost getting the 911 tapes tossed.

As a former LE, he knew and stated so in the LE interviews, the smell of human decomp and George's deposition to the Grand Jury helped indict Casey on the murder charges.

ITA...I am also wondering why jb was so focused on statements regarding the last time they saw Caylee....he kept reaching for the 7th or the 9th (whatever dates they initially gave)---there was something up with that line of questioning....IYKWIM....couldn't get CA to really bite on it---but did make me ponder...

 

[ZsaZsa]

Well they cannot get access to his medical/Psych records, so they are going to have to use a lot of hearsay aren't they?
He had a meltdown, not a serious Suicide attempt. He was completely overwhelmed with it all and most reasonable people will be able to see that. What he needed was a time out in peace and privacy, which is what he got. A lot us may say There, but for the Grace of God.... regardless of what we privately think of his actions since.
Their trying to besmirch him because he was fallible, because of Casey's actions , will backfire in their faces so badly it will be embarrassing to watch.

 

[Horace Finklestein]

Speaking of GA. Did anyone else think there was something different about him at the last hearing? I finally figured out what it was when I saw a picture of he and CA walking away (or to?) from the courthouse-----he's been working out. His arms and shoulders/chest are more buff. That is the behavior of a man who is thinking of divorcing his wife. I've seen it before. Actually men AND women do it. It's kind of like...get your body strong(and looking it's best) first, and then that gives you confidence to go your separate way. Yeah, I think leaving CA is on GA's mind....maybe that was KC's whole plan with the "I dreamt my dad came into my room to ??? when I was little" (not exact quote). Sounds like a KC plan to me.

:cow:

Well he's already cheated and it's common knowledge they're in a sham marriage. Hope he has the guts to go through with it. Of course, Cindy will probably claim they are still married give her bizarre penchant for denial.

 

[zoey]

Well, CA says she wanted to commit suicide too. She is on disability for her mental condition. Her "I still think Caylee is alive" statement is more fuel for the fire.

Maybe the script has always been just to get the whole family certified and discredit all their testimomy.

It won't change the evidence or slow down that final infusion for the Princess, IMO.:angel:

AHHHHHH but remember CA was told not to by Princess ICA

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

http://www.wftv.com/video/24312877/index.html

“The defense will have to discredit George, because George has some information that is damning to the defense,” Sheaffer said (full interview) .

Sheaffer says George's testimony helped prosecutors get a first-degree murder indictment against Casey even before her daughter's body was found. George said her car trunk smelled like a dead body and that, days after Caylee disappeared, Casey came home unexpectedly and prevented George from going into the trunk of her car.

At taxpayers' expense, the defense team spent hours at the Hawaii Motel in Daytona where George tried to take his own life. They also were at the Daytona Beach Police Department getting records.

“They would want to show he was mentally unstable,” Sheaffer said.

Sheaffer says the defense might go even farther to try to make some jurors wonder whether George is the murderer; Casey could have laid the groundwork by accusing her father of sexually abusing her.

“He was the last person to see Caylee, along with Casey. The duct tape came from his house. The heart stickers came from his house,” Sheaffer said.

If the defense can't convince a jury that George or someone else covered Caylee's face with duct tape and stuck a heart sticker over her mouth, they might try to use George's suicide attempt to portray Casey's family as dysfunctional to spare her from a possible death sentence.