2010.07.19 Defense is Investigating George

[ThinkTank]

Why do you need a private detective from Minn. to get copies of the police report when a paralegal could get the records? Guess there just are no reliable PI in Orlando area. Wonder if this man is licensed in Florida or if Florida allows other investigators from other states to come in and conduct their own investigations????? jmo

The P.I.'s invoice for services gave his address in Florida
1961 SE Camden Street
Port St. Lucie, FL 34952

I do not believe that the Defense used ALyon's P.I. Mort Smith on the investigations of George.

Interesting that they did not use Dominic C, eh?

 

[believe09]

I am not buying him as the perp. I think he is a witness however. I have to say, investigating Georges suicide attempt, could really really backfire.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Sorry for the o/t. Sometimes though we post things according to what we would do or what we would think. Like everyone knows GA didn't do that or do this. How does everyone "know"? I don't assume to 'know' what anyone did or didn't do, would or would not do.

Doesn't everyone have some example in their life of someone doing something that you'd think they wouldn't do? For all I know GA could do all kinds of weird stuff that, of course, he wouldn't admit/advertise. They say stranger danger doesn't look like a stranger - ya know? So everyone who 'knows' GA wouldn't have abused KC, I'd like to know what makes you all so sure? It kind of urks me to tell you the truth how so many people 'know' what GA would or would not do.

KC lied to him and CA for years. Yet he's behind her now? How rational is that? Yet everyone knows what a good guy GA is? I'm on a different page.

 

[ZsaZsa]

I think it might clarify one thing though- GA did not attempt Suicide. He ingested no pills, used no drugs, did nothing harmful to himself - what he did was to drink some beer and have what some people would call a breakdown. He was finding things intolerable and hit that wall of agitation/ grief/anger/self loathing/exasperation and that was his response. He called and told everyone what he was thinking of doing out of sheer desperation, but he did NOT make any attempt on his life.

 

[whiteangora]

The P.I.'s invoice for services gave his address in Florida
1961 SE Camden Street
Port St. Lucie, FL 34952

I do not believe that the Defense used ALyon's P.I. Mort Smith on the investigations of George.

Interesting that they did not use Dominic C, eh?

They never paid him for his first stint, did they?

 

[ZsaZsa]

Sorry for the o/t. Sometimes though we post things according to what we would do or what we would think. Like everyone knows GA didn't do that or do this. How does everyone "know"? I don't assume to 'know' what anyone did or didn't do, would or would not do.

Doesn't everyone have some example in their life of someone doing something that you'd think they wouldn't do? For all I know GA could do all kinds of weird stuff that, of course, he wouldn't admit/advertise. They say stranger danger doesn't look like a stranger - ya know? So everyone who 'knows' GA wouldn't have abused KC, I'd like to know what makes you all so sure? It kind of urks me to tell you the truth how so many people 'know' what GA would or would not do.

KC lied to him and CA for years. Yet he's behind her know? How rational is that? Yet everyone knows what a good guy GA is? I'm on a different page.

For me it's more a case of Who is more likely to be telling the truth about this? He might be a creepy kind of guy who spends a fortune on Internet /Escort services as some have alleged, but I would still take his word over Casey's in this matter..

 

[Woe.be.gone]

For me it's more a case of Who is more likely to be telling the truth about this? He might be a creepy kind of guy who spends a fortune on Internet /Escort services as some have alleged, but I would still take his word over Casey's in this matter..

I can't stop wondering if he didn't help train KC though. Money habits, get rich quick schemes, depending on CA to bring home the bulk of the bacon.

He said himself that he didn't often look after Caylee while alone. So he was not real eager to take on responsibility unless it had to do with the lawn or the cars I guess. Something's better than nothing.

 

[Dear Prudence]

Why do you need a private detective from Minn. to get copies of the police report when a paralegal could get the records? Guess there just are no reliable PI in Orlando area. Wonder if this man is licensed in Florida or if Florida allows other investigators from other states to come in and conduct their own investigations????? jmo

He is a licensed Florida PI. You can check it here: http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/access/individual.html

You can search by his name for his individual license, Jeremiah M. Lyons, or seach by his agency # A 2900243 for the agency's license.

His name, address and license numbers are listed on his invoice here: http://www.wftv.com/pdf/24312415/detail.html

 

[Woe.be.gone]

For me it's more a case of Who is more likely to be telling the truth about this? He might be a creepy kind of guy who spends a fortune on Internet /Escort services as some have alleged, but I would still take his word over Casey's in this matter..

What you say here - wouldn't that take a heavy toll on a family?
For cry'n out loud, they bought their house for something something and twenty years later they owe more than double that? I mean, that's almost impossible if you have any responsibility in your bones. So I don't really blame KC that she doesn't know how to handle money. Who was she supposed to learn from?

I'd better take a break. I'm really sick of these people and all their lies and bad habits.

 

[essies]

He is a licensed Florida PI. You can check it here: http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/access/individual.html

You can search by his name for his individual license, Jeremiah M. Lyons, or seach by his agency # A 2900243 for the agency's license.

His name, address and license numbers are listed on his invoice here: http://www.wftv.com/pdf/24312415/detail.html

JL is also the PI who JB sent to Marinade Dave (kinda undecover to hear MD tell it-said he was "smooth as butter") to get the lowdown on his relationship with Strickland. So, JB has been using JL for alittle while-even while AL and her PI were still on the case. Hmmm....Maybe that's one of the reasons AL got outta Dodge-maybe they weren't working as a team should and JB was going out on his own with his own people and theories-thereby mucking up the mission.:waitasec:

 

[SleuthTheTruth]

JL is also the PI who JB sent to Marinade Dave (kinda undecover to hear MD tell it-said he was "smooth as butter") to get the lowdown on his relationship with Strickland. So, JB has been using JL for alittle while-even while AL and her PI were still on the case. Hmmm....Maybe that's one of the reasons AL got outta Dodge-maybe they weren't working as a team should and JB was going out on his own with his own people and theories-thereby mucking up the mission.:waitasec:

You are correct, he is the same one.

 

[beach]

JL is also the PI who JB sent to Marinade Dave (kinda undecover to hear MD tell it-said he was "smooth as butter") to get the lowdown on his relationship with Strickland. So, JB has been using JL for alittle while-even while AL and her PI were still on the case. Hmmm....Maybe that's one of the reasons AL got outta Dodge-maybe they weren't working as a team should and JB was going out on his own with his own people and theories-thereby mucking up the mission.:waitasec:

Thanks essies! I totally did not make that connection until you just said it!

 

[countzero]

Cindy was given good professional advice- kick her out and take custody of Caylee. That would have been better than what she did, which was nothing.
I realize nothing is going to change the personality of a sociopath, but tough love and the legal system could have taken her out of the home and away from Caylee.

I agree with ya expect for what I bolded. There was no way the legal system would have removed Caylee from ICAs custody. None. CA knew it as did ICA. CA could have threatened all she wanted, but there was nothing she could actually do about it. Even if ICA had been arrested for fraud, ICA would still maintain sole legal custody. She was the biological parent and grandparents rarely have any legal standing in the courts. Yes, she could have hired an attorney, but it's extremely expensive, long involved investigations and the result would have been the same, ICA having sole custody. Being a sociopath is not a legal nor valid reason. Being lazy and unemployed isn't valid either. Matter of fact, the courts probably would have laughed at CA because she was supporting both ICA and ICA. The most the courts would have done, would be to order ICA to go to parenting classes. Not that this would have solved anything. The courts are extremely reluctant to interfere with parental rights, regardless of the parents lifestyle choices. Yep it sucks.

I know this isn't about George and I don't want to help veer OT, but I just wanted to say that I find this whole debate fascinating. I honestly see both sides of this. I tend to favor ZsaZsa's approach because that is how I would've handled it, however, I have zero experience in dealing with a sociopath. I can see where my approach might have very well backfired big time.

Thank your lucky stars you have had zero experiences with these personalities.

 

[butterfly1978]

Okay, now I have read through 8 pages of this thread and have no freakin clue as to why GA is being investigated by the defence, I've read the theories but none add up. After learning about River, wasn't it determinned that GA attempted suiside some how related to that, River being similar to the nanny that was discribed. So could it be that instead of trying to discredit GA testomony they are trying to prove that GA and River killed Caylee and framed Casey???
Is this plausable at all?

 

[Dear Prudence]

JL is also the PI who JB sent to Marinade Dave (kinda undecover to hear MD tell it-said he was "smooth as butter") to get the lowdown on his relationship with Strickland. So, JB has been using JL for alittle while-even while AL and her PI were still on the case. Hmmm....Maybe that's one of the reasons AL got outta Dodge-maybe they weren't working as a team should and JB was going out on his own with his own people and theories-thereby mucking up the mission.:waitasec:

Thank you! I knew I had heard his name before but could not remember why. If you look at this invoice http://www.wftv.com/pdf/24312455/detail.html the dates are from late March and early April 2010. Wasn't this the same time period when PI Lyons went to talk to M. Dave? This invoice was paid by the State of Florida. The irony is rich.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

I agree with ya expect for what I bolded. There was no way the legal system would have removed Caylee from ICAs custody. None. CA knew it as did ICA. CA could have threatened all she wanted, but there was nothing she could actually do about it. Even if ICA had been arrested for fraud, ICA would still maintain sole legal custody. She was the biological parent and grandparents rarely have any legal standing in the courts. Yes, she could have hired an attorney, but it's extremely expensive, long involved investigations and the result would have been the same, ICA having sole custody. Being a sociopath is not a legal nor valid reason. Being lazy and unemployed isn't valid either. Matter of fact, the courts probably would have laughed at CA because she was supporting both ICA and ICA. The most the courts would have done, would be to order ICA to go to parenting classes. Not that this would have solved anything. The courts are extremely reluctant to interfere with parental rights, regardless of the parents lifestyle choices. Yep it sucks.




Thank your lucky stars you have had zero experiences with these personalities.

Yes you're quite right, there's nothing legal they could have done. Psychopathy is one of humanities great tragedies. Something needs to change in our society in regards to this issue IMO.

 

[TorisMom003]

If the defense is actually going to try and say that George had something to do with Caylee's death then I would recommend that they review the evidence. They can not put the car, with the decomp in the trunk, in George's possession. After Casey left that night or next day she had the car with her the entire time until it was towed. I don't see how they can claim that some of the evidence could point to George when they have other evidence that clearly can not be linked to George.

 

[LancelotLink]

I think it might clarify one thing though- GA did not attempt Suicide. He ingested no pills, used no drugs, did nothing harmful to himself - what he did was to drink some beer and have what some people would call a breakdown. He was finding things intolerable and hit that wall of agitation/ grief/anger/self loathing/exasperation and that was his response. He called and told everyone what he was thinking of doing out of sheer desperation, but he did NOT make any attempt on his life.

I agree with this post and want to add, there was a doc dump coming. Like clockwork these people pull some stunt to take attention away from the crime at hand.

 

[ynotdivein]

IMO JB is not wrong in "thinking" it would be a mitigating factor.... IMO JB is flat out lying when he says that is the reason for his private investigator to investigate George.

It is disgusting to feel that as one types one may be feeding SODDI options to the Dynamic Duo of Defense Desperation. But here's what they are planning: Either GA "the molester" killed Caylee himself, and was discovered by KC whom he coerced into taking the blame for him, and she's just been "ugly coping" since, OR, KC acted alone and GA aided and abetted her in the post-mortem coverup.

IMO ain't no way the defense is going to even sideways admit that KC had a hand in Caylee's death.... and therefore, GA, please to lay down right here on the asphalt. That rumbling noise? Pay no mind.

If the defense is actually going to try and say that George had something to do with Caylee's death then I would recommend that they review the evidence. They can not put the car, with the decomp in the trunk, in George's possession. After Casey left that night or next day she had the car with her the entire time until it was towed. I don't see how they can claim that some of the evidence could point to George when they have other evidence that clearly can not be linked to George.

:bow:

 

[azwriter]

They have nothing - they are going to use whatever they can and that is George who "sexually" abused Casey - so she says. They are going to burn him over the coals to save their client. Hi Dad!

You're right on Solace. And don't forget, it was George who said it was not his granddaughter's dead body in the trunk of the car. So it seems George must know whose dead body was in the trunk.

As you said- they have nothing!