2010.07.19 Defense is Investigating George

[Woe.be.gone]

GA - State Deposition

Starting on page 14: http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21310228/detail.html

He probably took it off his resume recently. He doesn't want to advertise that he's had experience with murder coverups and such. imo.

 

[Cat13067]

When I saw this picture over two years ago I would have been willing to place a bet that this guy (we referred to him as 'porch guy' because it took so long to id him) was Caylee's bio. He's a cute guy too.

Nobody focused much on him much for some reason. It was JP peeps focused on even though he supposedly didn't know KC when Caylee was conceived.

I wonder why now, if he is the bio, he wouldn't admit it.

I'm sure KC told him the same story about the one night stand. However, with all the talk of RP maybe being the bio dad he has to think back if he did in fact sleep with KC around the time she got pregnant. I can understand at this time if RP doesn't want to come forward with the "am I Caylee's father" question. Imagine what the press would do to this man, and his family? I do find it strange how GA, and CA praise this young man. GA going so far as to say he hoped Kc would end up marrying RP.

My family has a saying "Let's said, best said" maybe RP feels the same way.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

If it wasn't for their extreme strangeness people would not be reaching for some explanation/any sensible explanation for why they are so strange. IMO nobody 'is adding unfounded rumours to the mix' to be mean or cruel. It's just crossed peoples' minds so many times because if it were true, it sure would explain a lot of the whole familie's behavior. They are a weird lot and have told a lot of lies around the identity of Caylee's bio so blame them, not the people trying to figure out why they don't stand up for Caylee.

:waitasec:

Oh I'm sorry, I didn't think that anyone was trying to be mean or cruel...I know people really believe this and are just searching for an explanation for what is really going on with this family. I know I picked on you when a lot of people have thought this one was true, so I really do apologise for sounding dismissive. I actually think this one could have been cleared up early on at the same time that the paternity rumours around Lee were cleared up by the authorities.

I agree with you that it's important that we look into this family to find the answers to what happened to Caylee, it's a horrible tragedy that requires an explanation.

 

[Cat13067]

ADDING link of what I listened to:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JA_DzEDquTk

Can somebody decifer if it makes sense? Whoever's speaking thinks it does.

Makes no sense to me, sorry.

 

[ThinkTank]

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/en...s-off-jail-money.html/comment-page-1#comments
excerpt from comment by Maura on OS article:
"On June 12, the Anthony home was apparently placed on the market: “This home is in “pre-foreclosure”. The owner is in default. As this is the period prior to the home lapsing into official foreclosure, the owner and lender are both interested in avoiding that costly scenario. Buyers are often able to find great deals here.”

Trulia listing: “This is a Single-Family Home located at 4937 Hopespring Dr, Orlando FL, 32829. 4937 Hopespring Dr has has 4 beds, 2 baths, and approximately 1,472 square feet. The property was built in 1986. 4937 Hopespring Dr is in Orlando and in ZIP Code 32829. The average listing price for similar homes for sale is $151,709 and the average sales price for similar recently sold homes is $138,807. The average sale price for 32829 sold homes is $130,729. The average sale price for Orlando sold homes is $141,781.”

Upon further research, it appears that this might be a "pre-foreclosure listing" which is not an actual listing for "sale". The info was obtained from Maura on hinky.

http://realestate.yahoo.com/Florida/Orlando/hopespring-dr:a53b637d798d14ad5a067659111cce

another hinky poster said:
"That’s a pre-foreclosure listing, I didn’t see that it said it was for sale.
Also, my neighbor’s house went into pre-foreclosure and listed as such on the internet on March 22nd and they paid it off in May, however their listing is still posted to this day."

 

[Mrs G Norris]

GA - State Deposition

Starting on page 14: http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21310228/detail.html

Brilliant, thanks...so here it is;

He was assigned to auto theft but covered for homicide too...wow Casey really knew how to roll both her Dad's areas of expertise into one act of vengeance against him didn't she...

 

[logicalgirl]

Done.

Thanks for actually getting this posted and in the myth busters thread. Every time I read the "pronouncement" that George is Caylee's father here and on other boards, that this is the big family secret - I just get a huge headache. Our Joypath has given detailed descriptions of why he isn't, and couldn't possibly be, as has Valhall, both here and on the hinky meter. I'm always dog tired and not organized enough to do anything about it except object.

Thanks to you actually putting these words of wisdom some place where others can find it, maybe at least here on Websleuths, where we are fanatics for facts, this "theory" can be dead once on for all. This is one weird family, but we'd like to know the real story, not one of innuendo and salacious gossip.

 

[logicalgirl]

If it wasn't for their extreme strangeness people would not be reaching for some explanation/any sensible explanation for why they are so strange. IMO nobody 'is adding unfounded rumours to the mix' to be mean or cruel. It's just crossed peoples' minds so many times because if it were true, it sure would explain a lot of the whole familie's behavior. They are a weird lot and have told a lot of lies around the identity of Caylee's bio so blame them, not the people trying to figure out why they don't stand up for Caylee.

:waitasec:

I actually think their attitudes are pretty easy to explain around Caylee's bio dad - because a huge part of it is understanding the role of shame in families. Here's a family who goes through a hugh pretense of being the all American family - wholesome, fine examples of the good life, people who wanted to be "The Joneses" who everyone wanted to be like.

Enter George with his inability to keep a steady job, the deceit of huge gambling debt, plus Cindy who places the highest possible value above all else on being respectable. And their two kids, both who clearly have had huge issues from childhood.

To me it's obvious they are ashamed of whatever illness Lee had in puberty, because no one will actually say what he was bedridden with, and ICA, who refused to follow any role of accountability. Then their darling daughter turns out pregnant with no male partner in sight. How do we keep the neighbours and family from knowing about that? We're used to teenagers having children "out of wedlock" - right? No big deal? A fact of life. But take yourself back 30 years or so, and this was something in a small town that would be gossip for years, and a big black mark against the reputation of any young woman. She would forever be known as immoral, someone "no good man" would marry. And it was an enormously shameful thing to be illegitimate.

We can see that ICA actually enjoyed the power of embarrassing her parents. Do we think ICA can actually narrow down Caylee's father to one person? I don't!
So the "Anthony family" as a unit, invented a story to make themselves respectable. The father was killed in an accident, implying if he wasn't, all would be well. But I also think because of their feelings of shame, and the love the grandparents felt for Caylee, they felt particularly protective of her and told ridiculous stories about the pregnancy, the baby's father, and ICA, to protect themselves and ICA from "society's disapproval". So they wouldn't be seen as "white trailer park trash".

Throw in more of George's problems, Cindy's increasingly frantic tightening of the reins to try to control everyone and everything from veering off of her course of respectability, Casey's accelerating criminal behavior, and Lee's just plain weirdness, and let's play - "Meet the Anthony's".

So for me, that's the answer. Anthony weirdness = Shame.

My theory isn't nearly as much fun as deep dark disgusting family secrets but I suspect it is pretty close to the truth! IMO of course.

 

[ZsaZsa]

BBM

I know George has made sworn statements that he worked some homicide cases.


Sorry, I'm too tired to search for a link right now, but I think it has been referenced in several interviews.

Niles Ohio is a very small town, population 20thousand + so I'm sure all Police Officers have to multi-task. While he wouldn't be the lead in a Homicide investigation he probably was on the scene, securing things etc many times.

 

[star444]

I just came across this page, I apologize if it's been posted before, but it's George's resume:

http://cc.bingj.com/cache.aspx?q=49...8&mkt=en-US&setlang=en-US&w=18ef15df,c6a7a6ea

snipped from link above:

THE PRESENTATION GROUP, ORLANDO, FLORIDA
Exhibit Consultant/Sales -Litigation Support for Legal Profession
of Attorneys & Paralegals. All copies/Digitizing and Story Boards
for Civil-Criminal and other Cases. Delivery and pickup of
products/Strong Customer Service and Presentations in Person.


It's the same company JB sent in to copy the records at MN's office!

See page 4 of this: http://www.ninthcircuit.org/news/Hi...cation For Subpoena Duces Tecum 7-22-2010.pdf

Excellent sleuthing!!!

 

[affinity]

I actually think their attitudes are pretty easy to explain around Caylee's bio dad - because a huge part of it is understanding the role of shame in families. Here's a family who goes through a hugh pretense of being the all American family - wholesome, fine examples of the good life, people who wanted to be "The Joneses" who everyone wanted to be like.

Enter George with his inability to keep a steady job, the deceit of huge gambling debt, plus Cindy who places the highest possible value above all else on being respectable. And their two kids, both who clearly have had huge issues from childhood.

To me it's obvious they are ashamed of whatever illness Lee had in puberty, because no one will actually say what he was bedridden with, and ICA, who refused to follow any role of accountability. Then their darling daughter turns out pregnant with no male partner in sight. How do we keep the neighbours and family from knowing about that? We're used to teenagers having children "out of wedlock" - right? No big deal? A fact of life. But take yourself back 30 years or so, and this was something in a small town that would be gossip for years, and a big black mark against the reputation of any young woman. She would forever be known as immoral, someone "no good man" would marry. And it was an enormously shameful thing to be illegitimate.

We can see that ICA actually enjoyed the power of embarrassing her parents. Do we think ICA can actually narrow down Caylee's father to one person? I don't!
So the "Anthony family" as a unit, invented a story to make themselves respectable. The father was killed in an accident, implying if he wasn't, all would be well. But I also think because of their feelings of shame, and the love the grandparents felt for Caylee, they felt particularly protective of her and told ridiculous stories about the pregnancy, the baby's father, and ICA, to protect themselves and ICA from "society's disapproval". So they wouldn't be seen as "white trailer park trash".

Throw in more of George's problems, Cindy's increasingly frantic tightening of the reins to try to control everyone and everything from veering off of her course of respectability, Casey's accelerating criminal behavior, and Lee's just plain weirdness, and let's play - "Meet the Anthony's".

So for me, that's the answer. Anthony weirdness = Shame.

My theory isn't nearly as much fun as deep dark disgusting family secrets but I suspect it is pretty close to the truth! IMO of course.

Agree. Shame. I come from a family where there was incest (not me, my Mother & Grandfather)..and I can tell you without reservation that shame and incest go hand in hand. The reason the incest issue is raised so often in the Casey Anthony case is because people who have any exposure to incest, recognize traits in the Anthony family that fit the criteria of the after effects of incest very well. My screename is affinity...because I am familiar with the Anthony family, without having ever met them. Their family is a lot like mine. I am personally convinced that incest plays a role in the Anthony family, but of course, it is only conjecture (for now) and projection, based on my own life experiences. But, I will tell you this...my Mother could lie exactly like Casey did, walking to the end of the hall at Universal. There are reasons people "detach" like my Mom and KC. We may never ever know specifics...but "shame" most definitely was involved in how the Anthonys operated.

 

[Cat13067]

I actually think their attitudes are pretty easy to explain around Caylee's bio dad - because a huge part of it is understanding the role of shame in families. Here's a family who goes through a hugh pretense of being the all American family - wholesome, fine examples of the good life, people who wanted to be "The Joneses" who everyone wanted to be like.

Enter George with his inability to keep a steady job, the deceit of huge gambling debt, plus Cindy who places the highest possible value above all else on being respectable. And their two kids, both who clearly have had huge issues from childhood.

To me it's obvious they are ashamed of whatever illness Lee had in puberty, because no one will actually say what he was bedridden with, and ICA, who refused to follow any role of accountability. Then their darling daughter turns out pregnant with no male partner in sight. How do we keep the neighbours and family from knowing about that? We're used to teenagers having children "out of wedlock" - right? No big deal? A fact of life. But take yourself back 30 years or so, and this was something in a small town that would be gossip for years, and a big black mark against the reputation of any young woman. She would forever be known as immoral, someone "no good man" would marry. And it was an enormously shameful thing to be illegitimate.

We can see that ICA actually enjoyed the power of embarrassing her parents. Do we think ICA can actually narrow down Caylee's father to one person? I don't!
So the "Anthony family" as a unit, invented a story to make themselves respectable. The father was killed in an accident, implying if he wasn't, all would be well. But I also think because of their feelings of shame, and the love the grandparents felt for Caylee, they felt particularly protective of her and told ridiculous stories about the pregnancy, the baby's father, and ICA, to protect themselves and ICA from "society's disapproval". So they wouldn't be seen as "white trailer park trash".

Throw in more of George's problems, Cindy's increasingly frantic tightening of the reins to try to control everyone and everything from veering off of her course of respectability, Casey's accelerating criminal behavior, and Lee's just plain weirdness, and let's play - "Meet the Anthony's".

So for me, that's the answer. Anthony weirdness = Shame.

My theory isn't nearly as much fun as deep dark disgusting family secrets but I suspect it is pretty close to the truth! IMO of course.

Makes sense! I can't imagine CA saying, Caylee's father was just a one night stand KC had one night.

 

[nums24]

Upon further research, it appears that this might be a "pre-foreclosure listing" which is not an actual listing for "sale". The info was obtained from Maura on hinky.

http://realestate.yahoo.com/Florida/Orlando/hopespring-dr:a53b637d798d14ad5a067659111cce

another hinky poster said:
"That’s a pre-foreclosure listing, I didn’t see that it said it was for sale.
Also, my neighbor’s house went into pre-foreclosure and listed as such on the internet on March 22nd and they paid it off in May, however their listing is still posted to this day."

The pre-forclosure listing is obtained from public records. The original Trulia listing Maura was referring to has since been changed to off market and can be found here: http://www.trulia.com/homes/Florida/Orlando/sold/23850815-4937-Hopespring-Drive-Orlando-FL-32829

 

[logicalgirl]

Agree. Shame. I come from a family where there was incest (not me, my Mother & Grandfather)..and I can tell you without reservation that shame and incest go hand in hand. The reason the incest issue is raised so often in the Casey Anthony case is because people who have any exposure to incest, recognize traits in the Anthony family that fit the criteria of the after effects of incest very well. My screename is affinity...because I am familiar with the Anthony family, without having ever met them. Their family is a lot like mine. I am personally convinced that incest plays a role in the Anthony family, but of course, it is only conjecture (for now) and projection, based on my own life experiences. But, I will tell you this...my Mother could lie exactly like Casey did, walking to the end of the hall at Universal. There are reasons people "detach" like my Mom and KC. We may never ever know specifics...but "shame" most definitely was involved in how the Anthonys operated.

Agree almost Affinity with everything you say, because you lived it and so did I but from a different angle.

I don't vote yes re the incest, not because I think either George or Lee are some white lilyed heros, but because all of ICA's behaviors point to her being a sociopath. She has no conscience, is a huge manipulator and controlled that family. And yes, those are many of the characteristics of an incest survivor, except I don't think ICA was driven by her neuroses, I think she was driven by her material wants, and just for the admiration of men, and the fun of it. For me, in ICA's behavior - there isn't that unconscious self destruction we see in others. ICA's behaviors all seem to be calculated and cool, instead of that scattered frantic search and grab thing we see in other "disturbed individuals". (Sorry the right word just will not surface in my brain)
And Shame and I are long time acquaintances. On the status totem pole, when I was young, there were only two things lower than an unmarried single mother, and that was a foster kid(that's me), and prostitutes.

 

[ThinkTank]

The pre-forclosure listing is obtained from public records. The original Trulia listing Maura was referring to has since been changed to off market and can be found here: http://www.trulia.com/homes/Florida/Orlando/sold/23850815-4937-Hopespring-Drive-Orlando-FL-32829

Maura also added this comment after her original comments:
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/0...e-marie-anthony-case-–-part-26/#comment-51106
Maura said: { Jul 24, 2010 - 12:07:30 }
"It’s here as well with an entered date of March 12, 2010.
So I guess the house is listed automatically as a “pre-foreclosure” when a mortgage holder initiates foreclosure proceedings against a home owner. The Bank of America filed foreclosure proceedings against George and Cindy on February 22.
The house can be sold during pre-foreclosure, but I don’t know how much the owners have to say if they’re in mediation with the bank as the Anthonys are."

http://www.realtytrac.com/propertyd...IBAutV/wFay/MBq4fxAW+I8QFbvO8BtVDuAQ==&back=1

LIS - Lis Pendens
Latin for "pending lawsuit", Lis Pendens is a document that starts the judicial foreclosure process. It is typically filed by the attorney or trustee once the borrower defaults on the loan.

 

[nums24]

Maura also added this comment after her original comments:
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/0...e-marie-anthony-case-–-part-26/#comment-51106
Maura said: { Jul 24, 2010 - 12:07:30 }
"It’s here as well with an entered date of March 12, 2010.
So I guess the house is listed automatically as a “pre-foreclosure” when a mortgage holder initiates foreclosure proceedings against a home owner. The Bank of America filed foreclosure proceedings against George and Cindy on February 22.
The house can be sold during pre-foreclosure, but I don’t know how much the owners have to say if they’re in mediation with the bank as the Anthonys are."

http://www.realtytrac.com/propertyd...IBAutV/wFay/MBq4fxAW+I8QFbvO8BtVDuAQ==&back=1

LIS - Lis Pendens
Latin for "pending lawsuit", Lis Pendens is a document that starts the judicial foreclosure process. It is typically filed by the attorney or trustee once the borrower defaults on the loan.

Thanks, I have the filed document, I hope it attached correctly:

 

[Steely Dan]

Who would want that house? :sick:

 

[nums24]

Who would want that house? :sick:

Kalani B (KC's stalker friend) LOL!

 

[ThinkTank]

Who would want that house? :sick:

I believe that even Cindy and George do NOT want that house.
Cindy wrote to Inmate Casey that she can hardly bear to go into Caylee or KC's bedroom any more.
That house must be morbidly quiet now without precious spunky Caylee bouncing around and singing and dancing all over the house!

 

[Steely Dan]

I believe that even Cindy and George do NOT want that house.
Cindy wrote to Inmate Casey that she can hardly bear to go into Caylee or KC's bedroom any more.
That house must be morbidly quiet now without precious spunky Caylee bouncing around and singing and dancing all over the house!

How could you live there without wondering; "Did she kill Caylee here or the other room?" The only way I'd buy the house is if the walls could talk.