2010.07.19 - Terry Shoemaker's comments to Art Harris RE: Misty

[krkrjx]

I like the quote from Fields at the new AH article:

“Giving Ronald a plea deal is like giving the 4 star general a deal to testify against a private.”

Fields does not make many statements to media or the public but the rare statement he makes is insightful and to the point.

One can only wonder why Fields has not tried to get Misty a deal to testify against Ron. Although, he may have tried and she refused, ready and willing to crawl under the bus to save her "Baby."

IMO.

 

[dodie20]

I like the quote from Fields at the new AH article:

“Giving Ronald a plea deal is like giving the 4 star general a deal to testify against a private.”

wow. I'm glad somebody is showing a little disgust...finally. I'm gonna have to go read that article. Thanks.

 

[Chablis]

Fields does not make many statements to media or the public but the rare statement he makes is insightful and to the point.

One can only wonder why Fields has not tried to get Misty a deal to testify against Ron. Although, he may have tried and she refused, ready and willing to crawl under the bus to save her "Baby."

IMO.

I think Fields is smart enough to be able to look at the evidence tape of these drug deals, and he knows it would be absurd to ask for a deal, especially one where one of these drug users/traffickers are pretty much in charge, I mean no one here is better than the other. Whats sad is Ron is an adult male advising and telling the 18 year old where and when to make a drug transaction. Oh, and he has an extensive arrest record, Misty does not.

 

[dodie20]

Fields does not make many statements to media or the public but the rare statement he makes is insightful and to the point.

One can only wonder why Fields has not tried to get Misty a deal to testify against Ron. Although, he may have tried and she refused, ready and willing to crawl under the bus to save her "Baby."

IMO.

Misty, herself said that LE didn't want to hear anything on Ron, so I doubt anybody would listen to Werter either. I'm feeling a little disgusted today. No charges have been brought, so LE does NOT know what happened, & they should be willing to listen to any story, detail, whatever. Even if Misty & Tommy are lieing, they've lied on other people, so why is it particularly offensive that they lie on Ron? Why is he off limits? He's nothing but a drug dealer, sitting in jail. If nothing else, LE could use the lies on Ron, to bolster the truth-if it ever comes out. Start listing all of their lies, & the people they tried to frame.

 

[dodie20]

I think Fields is smart enough to be able to look at the evidence tape of these drug deals, and he knows it would be absurd to ask for a deal, especially one where one of these drug users/traffickers are pretty much in charge, I mean no one here is better than the other. Whats sad is Ron is an adult male advising and telling the 18 year old where and when to make a drug transaction. Oh, and he has an extensive arrest record, Misty does not.

Well, if it's so absurd, why is Shoemaker working on, & getting, a deal for Ron? I believe in equal opportunity justice, & what's good for the adult, pill popping, repeat offender, should be be good for his uneducated, teenaged muse. I'm sorry, but that's how I interpreted those tapes. Maybe if Misty had been taped snitching a pill, LE would be going easy on her, right now?

 

[Chablis]

Well, if it's so absurd, why is Shoemaker working on, & getting, a deal for Ron? I believe in equal opportunity justice, & what's good for the adult, pill popping, repeat offender, should be be good for his uneducated, teenaged muse. I'm sorry, but that's how I interpreted those tapes. Maybe if Misty had been taped snitching a pill, LE would be going easy on her, right now?

Shoemaker can work all he wants, but I have a very hard time believing the deal involves Ron testifying against Misty, considering she can plea, and then what? I have a feeling Ron is seeking a deal that involves something to do with Haleigh, the FACT is they dont need his word on any of the drug deals, especially, imo, he is the one who looks like the ring leader in these tapes.

The State wants info about Haleigh, imo.

 

[lonetraveler]

That's a succinct and accurate analysis of the position Mr. Cummings has placed himself into. He's only going to have three choices. He can tell the truth, lie, or plead the 5th either of which will provide answers long overdue.

Hmmm....Suggested Questions For The SA To Ask Ronald Cummings In Exchange For A Plea Bargain.

Sounds like a catchy new thread title doesn't it?

I'll admit that I'm a real pessimist and a skeptic but I'm thinking that we are only going to hear: "I don't know, I was at werk!" and unfortunately I'm not joking, I'm very serious about this.

 

[SoSueMe]

IF this is true, I wonder how it will affect Ron?

"The Bald Truth has learned exclusively Misty Croslin aims to plead no contest to her drug charges Aug. 22 when the so called ringleader is scheduled to go on trial for trafficking pain kllers in Putnam County Circuit court . “Ronald’s case has no bearing on our case,” her attorney, Robert Fields, tells me in an exclusive interview, dismissing her as the main brain behind the drug operation."

http://www.artharris.com/2010/07/20/exclusive-misty-croslins-bad-memory/#more-4444

So if Misty pleads NOLO on 8/23, the judge will then set a date for sentencing. If Ron has reached a plea bargain with the DA and changes his plea on 8/20, the judge will then set a date for sentencing. In other words, the WAIT goes on.

It will be interesting to see if the judge sets Misty's sentencing date prior to Ronald's sentencing date since RC is first up.

 

[KSH352]

So if Misty pleads NOLO on 8/23, the judge will then set a date for sentencing. If Ron has reached a plea bargain with the DA and changes his plea on 8/20, the judge will then set a date for sentencing. In other words, the WAIT goes on.

It will be interesting to see if the judge sets Misty's sentencing date prior to Ronald's sentencing date since RC is first up.

It gets a little complicated here. The State will know that Misty is going to plea no contest before Ronald's date of 8/20 to plea comes up. If the only substance to the plea for Ronald is to testify against Misty, I've been told, the State will not make the deal with Ronald on the 20th. But I was also told that if Ronald has agreed to testify against others ( not involved in the drug sting) that he could still get his deal. IMO there is no telling who Ronald is willing to testify against in order to save himself.

 

[dodie20]

It gets a little complicated here. The State will know that Misty is going to plea no contest before Ronald's date of 8/20 to plea comes up. If the only substance to the plea for Ronald is to testify against Misty, I've been told, the State will not make the deal with Ronald on the 20th. But I was also told that if Ronald has agreed to testify against others ( not involved in the drug sting) that he could still get his deal. IMO there is no telling who Ronald is willing to testify against in order to save himself.

because of his amount of charges, I don't see that it would make any sense, for Ron to testify against anybody with less charges. Logically, wouldn't LE want the lesser charged people to testify against the greater charged? Why drop someone's charges, (like Ron), to get testimony on someone with minimal charges? (like Tommy). especially when they are all on tape? just get the undercover guy to testify against all of them. & wouldn't LE want testimony about the sources, connections, etc...from the ringleader? (Misty). Honestly, I don't see that Ron has much to contribute here. & hearing that Hank was at Ron's hearing, & then hearing that he was angry, (Levi's show), makes me wonder if he's worried that his name is gonna be brought up as a supplier. I doubt that Hank was getting enough prescriptions, to bankroll a drug empire, but I guess if even a few pills, came from him, LE's gonna want him.

 

[Baxter]

because of his amount of charges, I don't see that it would make any sense, for Ron to testify against anybody with less charges. Logically, wouldn't LE want the lesser charged people to testify against the greater charged? Why drop someone's charges, (like Ron), to get testimony on someone with minimal charges? (like Tommy). especially when they are all on tape? just get the undercover guy to testify against all of them. & wouldn't LE want testimony about the sources, connections, etc...from the ringleader? (Misty). Honestly, I don't see that Ron has much to contribute here. & hearing that Hank was at Ron's hearing, & then hearing that he was angry, (Levi's show), makes me wonder if he's worried that his name is gonna be brought up as a supplier. I doubt that Hank was getting enough prescriptions, to bankroll a drug empire, but I guess if even a few pills, came from him, LE's gonna want him.

Do you really think that Misty was the ring leader?

 

[Chablis]

Do you really think that Misty was the ring leader?

Didn't at one point, Hank Sr tell Art Harris that he thought Ronald tried to kill him, by giving him a bad pill? Theres just such an extensive drug history with Ronald its absurd to think this 17 year old girl came along and corrupted him. jmo

 

[dodie20]

Do you really think that Misty was the ring leader?

NO. but she does have the most charges. (eye roll)

 

[SoSueMe]

It gets a little complicated here. The State will know that Misty is going to plea no contest before Ronald's date of 8/20 to plea comes up. If the only substance to the plea for Ronald is to testify against Misty, I've been told, the State will not make the deal with Ronald on the 20th. But I was also told that if Ronald has agreed to testify against others ( not involved in the drug sting) that he could still get his deal. IMO there is no telling who Ronald is willing to testify against in order to save himself.

Just how will the state know Misty is going to plead NOLO on 8/23 unless they have agreed to a plea bargain with her also? Oh I have no doubt Ronald will get his plea bargain, whether he testifies to anything or not, it just seems to be the way it works for this golden boy.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

IMO, it is about time that Ron is put in the hot seat.

That is exactly where he's been since he has been in prison.

And I don't see how anyone looking at between 10 and 30 years in prison is a "golden boy." Now, if he were treated like Lindsey Lohan, and released after a week or so in jail, that's another story.

I think it would be perfectly possible for Misty to be a "ring leader," although none of these people (Ron, Misty, the other Croslins) strike me as especially adept at criminal behavior, as they have been caught on tape for these drug charges and have been arrested and charged with others. i also don't think it is necessary for a group of petty criminals to have a "ring leader." What is interesting is that LE is interested in testimony against Misty.

 

[1Chump]

I'll admit that I'm a real pessimist and a skeptic but I'm thinking that we are only going to hear: "I don't know, I was at werk!" and unfortunately I'm not joking, I'm very serious about this.

To get a plea deal, Ron has to agree to cooperate by answering questions. They will ask questions about his actions while at work such as phone calls. They will also ask questions about the days before and after Haleigh disappeared.

If Ron play his games, they can decide he is not holding up his part of the "deal." If Ron does not hold up his part of the deal, he will lose it.

That is why I feel that the SA has Ron in the hot seat. The deal will not be final until the SA is satisfied that Ron has fully cooperated.

 

[dodie20]

That is exactly where he's been since he has been in prison.

And I don't see how anyone looking at between 10 and 30 years in prison is a "golden boy." Now, if he were treated like Lindsey Lohan, and released after a week or so in jail, that's another story.

I think it would be perfectly possible for Misty to be a "ring leader," although none of these people (Ron, Misty, the other Croslins) strike me as especially adept at criminal behavior, as they have been caught on tape for these drug charges and have been arrested and charged with others. i also don't think it is necessary for a group of petty criminals to have a "ring leader." What is interesting is that LE is interested in testimony against Misty.

1st of all, I want you to know that I'm not picking on your post, but I find a few things you said, interesting. Yes, I agree that Ron looking at 10-30, is not golden...but if he gets the 10, while others with less charges, (Hope), get longer sentences, well, there's a problem. & I don't think Ron is looking at anywhere near 30. I would like to see a fairness & logic here. If Hope 's crime was deemed worthy of a 15 year sentence, then where's the logic in Ron getting so many charges dropped? If he has been holding out on Haleigh, & that is his ace in the hole, I think he should have charges added, not dropped...& that goes for all of them, but especially Ron, because he was her father, & he was supposed to put her above all of these people. Also, he had custody, & it was his job to keep her safe, & it was his duty to seek justice for her death, not withhold information. & this is assuming that he wasn't responsible, but was in on the cover-up. Because realistically, what information, besides information on Haleigh, could be significant enough to get so many charges dropped? Also, you said that you find it interesting that LE is interested in testimony against Misty. Could you elaborate please? I try to keep an open mind, so I haven't ruled anybody out as a suspect, but Misty is the hardest one for me to pinpoint. Yes, I know she has lied, but so has everybody else, & they all seem to be self serving. I was wondering if there is anything in particular, that you think points to Misty's guilt. Thanks.

 

[Whisperer]

Putting herself there and the last person to see Haleigh is critical. Failing four polys is signficant and makes her appear to be the likely suspect.

 

[MADJGNLAW]

1st of all, I want you to know that I'm not picking on your post, but I find a few things you said, interesting. Yes, I agree that Ron looking at 10-30, is not golden...but if he gets the 10, while others with less charges, (Hope), get longer sentences, well, there's a problem. & I don't think Ron is looking at anywhere near 30. I would like to see a fairness & logic here. If Hope 's crime was deemed worthy of a 15 year sentence, then where's the logic in Ron getting so many charges dropped? If he has been holding out on Haleigh, & that is his ace in the hole, I think he should have charges added, not dropped...& that goes for all of them, but especially Ron, because he was her father, & he was supposed to put her above all of these people. Also, he had custody, & it was his job to keep her safe, & it was his duty to seek justice for her death, not withhold information. & this is assuming that he wasn't responsible, but was in on the cover-up. Because realistically, what information, besides information on Haleigh, could be significant enough to get so many charges dropped? Also, you said that you find it interesting that LE is interested in testimony against Misty. Could you elaborate please? I try to keep an open mind, so I haven't ruled anybody out as a suspect, but Misty is the hardest one for me to pinpoint. Yes, I know she has lied, but so has everybody else, & they all seem to be self serving. I was wondering if there is anything in particular, that you think points to Misty's guilt. Thanks.

BBM

Well said...

 

[LillieBelle]

It gets a little complicated here. The State will know that Misty is going to plea no contest before Ronald's date of 8/20 to plea comes up. If the only substance to the plea for Ronald is to testify against Misty, I've been told, the State will not make the deal with Ronald on the 20th. But I was also told that if Ronald has agreed to testify against others ( not involved in the drug sting) that he could still get his deal. IMO there is no telling who Ronald is willing to testify against in order to save himself.

Makes me wonder if Sheriff Hardy's son is it, not the Croslin group afterall...
does anyone know how his case is going??