Tim Miller Fires Back at Mark Klaas after last nights Nancy Grace.

[smart blonde]

"A mile a minute... that is how fast your child can disappear."
Mark Klaas

 

[smart blonde]

Mark Klaas has also been working hard to bring the very real problem of human trafficking and 'sex trafficking' (which is going on in the United States, and Mexico) to the world's attention.

These are subjects I have no doubt we will be hearing much more about in the coming years, and decades.

 

[Manny]

I think both men have good intentions. TM has chosen the path of searching, probably because of the way his child was found. Mark had a very different experience, the cooperation with LE gave him some kind of closer. Mark worked his way through it by joining LE by his fight for the Amber alert. Same problem and different approaches. I do not think TM should have played detective. Not his role. It is a slippery slope. Not a good choice. So many people involved, playing roles they have no business playing.

 

[abbra]

I agree with Mark Klaas. TM is interfering with a criminal case. TM is not qualified to do so thus he is compromising the investigation of Missing Haleigh and compromising criminal charges against others involved in the disappearance of Haleigh.
I didn't have a daughter who turned up missing and murdered but I do have a daughter who was killed by a drunk driving murderer and I know for a fact that anyone who has ever had anything bad happen to their children relives their own personal nightmare over and over when other victims go through the same as we all went through, especially the loss of a child. We feel helpless because our hands are tied that we can't do more to help. At times our grief comes back full force and knocks us down and we have to fight ( put our emotions aside) to climb our way back up to where we were before we got knocked down. Mark Klass, Tim Miller, Myself and all the others who have experienced tragedy pertaining to our children are a strong group of individuals. I do agree however that we do not have the energy nor experience to take the law into our own hands to try to get answers to unsolved questions involving criminal investigations. It saps our strenght and leaves us fragile to the point that we can't continue to do the work we want to do to make sure others don't have to experience the loss we have have gone through.
The Hailey Cummings Case has become complicated. Its up to authorities not Tim Miller to try to solve the case. Tim is a good man who does good things for others and I think he should focus on the business he has built from his tragedy. Mark Klaas continue to do good things through your organization to help others. Angry words and name calling never solved crimes but if we all work together to keep law enforcement on cases and work together to change laws to benefit our children and adults who have become victims of crime then we have done something worthwhile.

Mother of LynneMarie, my only child, age 19, a senior college student, killed by a drunk driver August 8, 1994.

 

[LotsaLatte]

Ab, I am so sorry for your loss. That made me so sad to read that.

 

[azwriter]

Frankly, when people who do searches become commentators on a pseudo news show, for whatever reason, they need to examine their goals. JMO etc etc.

You know debs, you have such a knack for summing up things in so few words. I might not always agree with your posts, but I certainly appreciate your skill in getting to the point.
Cheers!
azwriter

 

[azwriter]

Has Mark even been to Satsuma for a search? :waitasec: I must have missed that story. If he had been on the ground, in the brush, on a horse, etc....I might give little credence to his words spoken from a comfy chair in a television studio.

Given the actual efforts of Tim Miller and TES....Mark's words carry no weight with me....'cause in my world...Actions speak WAY louder than words...IMO...JMO....MOO..etc....

I understand the point you're making in your post, Helplessly but can I add: the big difference between Mark and Tim is that Mark is an administrator with his cause and Miller is a hands-on searcher with his organization. Both have the same goal - finding missing children/adults but each has a different role in the process.

 

[azwriter]

Yes, Marc is a tough man and a bit abrasive. But in this case, I think he made a valid point that Miller might poison the well for search groups, including his own, with LE.

Good summary, pittsburghgirl. I agree about Miller's involvement. I think we should concentrate on the results of TM's plan: He caused some sensational headlines and fodder for talk shows and we are no closer to finding Haleigh.

PS- I'm from Washington, Pa.

 

[chemcopout]

i think both men are very good people.
and that they both have an emotional connection to this case
mark's daughter was kidnapped in similiar circumstances (while the family was sleeping)
and tim's daughter was around misty's age when she went missing, their emotions are running high; it was unfair of either to make judgements of eachother.
so i'm thinking the case strikes a cord with that in the both of them.
from what i've read it sounds like tim was working with le and donna kept reporting to le what she found out.
i have no problem with either mark or tim and i hope they can both make amends.

it saddens me to think that misty actually thought she had a real friend mother in donna and then found out she was being used.
it did say though that donna told misty not to tell her details as she might slip an let them out about the case (not exact words)
so i think the major cause behind the donna operation was to get a more detailed profile of mistys behavior, imo.

 

[Flossie JMO]

i think both men are very good people.
and that they both have an emotional connection to this case
mark's daughter was kidnapped in similiar circumstances (while the family was sleeping)
and tim's daughter was around misty's age when she went missing, their emotions are running high; it was unfair of either to make judgements of eachother.
so i'm thinking the case strikes a cord with that in the both of them.
from what i've read it sounds like tim was working with le and donna kept reporting to le what she found out.
i have no problem with either mark or tim and i hope they can both make amends.

it saddens me to think that misty actually thought she had a real friend mother in donna and then found out she was being used.
it did say though that donna told misty not to tell her details as she might slip an let them out about the case (not exact words)
so i think the major cause behind the donna operation was to get a more detailed profile of mistys behavior, imo.

bbm, Tim said he told Donna that (and then proceeded to reveal details) :crazy:
Miller says he was told that Brock had provided “useful” information to law enforcement. “I told her, ‘Don’t tell me details so I don’t let anything out that might hurt the case.’”

 

[azwriter]

I agree with Mark Klaas. TM is interfering with a criminal case. TM is not qualified to do so thus he is compromising the investigation of Missing Haleigh and compromising criminal charges against others involved in the disappearance of Haleigh.
I didn't have a daughter who turned up missing and murdered but I do have a daughter who was killed by a drunk driving murderer and I know for a fact that anyone who has ever had anything bad happen to their children relives their own personal nightmare over and over when other victims go through the same as we all went through, especially the loss of a child. We feel helpless because our hands are tied that we can't do more to help. At times our grief comes back full force and knocks us down and we have to fight ( put our emotions aside) to climb our way back up to where we were before we got knocked down. Mark Klass, Tim Miller, Myself and all the others who have experienced tragedy pertaining to our children are a strong group of individuals. I do agree however that we do not have the energy nor experience to take the law into our own hands to try to get answers to unsolved questions involving criminal investigations. It saps our strenght and leaves us fragile to the point that we can't continue to do the work we want to do to make sure others don't have to experience the loss we have have gone through.
The Hailey Cummings Case has become complicated. Its up to authorities not Tim Miller to try to solve the case. Tim is a good man who does good things for others and I think he should focus on the business he has built from his tragedy. Mark Klaas continue to do good things through your organization to help others. Angry words and name calling never solved crimes but if we all work together to keep law enforcement on cases and work together to change laws to benefit our children and adults who have become victims of crime then we have done something worthwhile.

Mother of LynneMarie, my only child, age 19, a senior college student, killed by a drunk driver August 8, 1994.

abbra, so sorry about the loss of your daughter. Thanks for sharing your situation, sometimes it helps all of us to size up the situation through another's loss. Bless you.

 

[Helplessly Hoping]

I understand the point you're making in your post, Helplessly but can I add: the big difference between Mark and Tim is that Mark is an administrator with his cause and Miller is a hands-on searcher with his organization. Both have the same goal - finding missing children/adults but each has a different role in the process.

ITA..and my final--for now words on this subject are these: I have said things in the heat of the moment that I later came to regret--perhaps I am not unique in this? JMO

 

[Carla Lashelle]

The thing is if you are going to try this undercover, informant stuff YOU SHOULD BE A TRAINED PROFESSIONAL...

Just the fact that this whack job lady that was supposedly trying to get info from Misty was involved in the bizarre road rage incident would cast a doubt over anything useful she could have said/uncovered and would ruin the chances of LE trying to do the same thing properly

 

[mnegri1973]

It's unfortunate for both men that this war of words was taken public. I think they both should have voiced their concerns privately with each other.

As for TM's lie detector and voice analysis tests with Misty, why shouldn't he have done that? It's his organization and why spend thousands on a search until he is satisfied it is warranted? I know attorneys who give their own clients LD tests before they take the case to make sure their efforts aren't wasted.

I think MK and TM both are excellent advocates for missing children and give tirelessly of themselves. They are both driven with the same purpose but use different methods. I think both methods are needed and whatever it takes to find a child, I'm all for it.

SoSueMe, I am just jumping my idea off of your post so please know I am not being judgmental of your post. Anyway that you look at it, Haleigh is missing. So WHY should TM have to do a LD and a VSA to decide if it is worth the effect to continue to search for Haleigh.

The HOW it happened and WHO did it should be up to LE to find out, not a search group. However, if TM is in this for Haleigh and to bring her home, why would he HAVE to have those tests done to convince him to stay on the search for a missing child.

As to what TM said about MK.....Tim can go after Marc all he wants, as Marc is a big boy and can stick up for himself, however to bring in Polly was awful. Tim was swinging below the belt and if he is going to say something like this in public what does he say in private. It was a despicable thing for Tim to say and he needs to apologize not only to Marc, but to Polly, Polly's mother, and all missing and murdered children for belittling the tragic event that took Polly's life.

JMO

 

[debs]

SoSueMe, I am just jumping my idea off of your post so please know I am not being judgmental of your post. Anyway that you look at it, Haleigh is missing. So WHY should TM have to do a LD and a VSA to decide if it is worth the effect to continue to search for Haleigh.

The HOW it happened and WHO did it should be up to LE to find out, not a search group. However, if TM is in this for Haleigh and to bring her home, why would he HAVE to have those tests done to convince him to stay on the search for a missing child.

As to what TM said about MK.....Tim can go after Marc all he wants, as Marc is a big boy and can stick up for himself, however to bring in Polly was awful. Tim was swinging below the belt and if he is going to say something like this in public what does he say in private. It was a despicable thing for Tim to say and he needs to apologize not only to Marc, but to Polly, Polly's mother, and all missing and murdered children for belittling the tragic event that took Polly's life.

JMO

Well, I guess I haven't heard Tim actually say this, but it is quoted as being his words.

I will stand by my statement that people who do searches should evaluate the job they are doing becoming a commentator on a pseudo news show. If they're speaking of their organization, that's one thing. If they begin discussing how other people run their organizations, it becomes a pis*ing match and there's no room for that in the search for missing children. It isn't a competition, a tally sheet of "who found the most, who won the awards" it's about missing children and that should be the focus.

But that's just my opinion.

 

[nursebeeme]

Well, I'm afraid I disagree, Tricia, but out of respect for your position as owner and admin, I'll reserve further commentary.

Peace to all, most of all to these two men, so none of us have to continue watching men we care about and respect be insulted by anyone.

ITA. Both of them were wrong. Both of them said things they shouldn't have.

But do we throw the baby out with the bath water? I don't plan to.. in terms of either of them.

I hope they are able to mend their bridges... They both do amazing things and are amazing people.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

PS- I'm from Washington, Pa.

Washington, PA? Very nice town, with a good small-town paper. I thought Arizona (AZ + writer).

 

[shotzie]

I live in a town very close to where Polly Klass was abducted an watched an listened to everything in that Case...Personally I don't care for Mark Klass i remember those days..he just seemed to be a glory hound..Tim Miller has done more than Mark has ever done as far as finding persons.

Do you expect Tim just to sit there and take what he said on National TV..sure he was angry, If someone attacked you that way you would come out fighting..

To this day I would like to know what happened to Polly Klass's Mother since they were divorced when that happened, but never heard a word about her because it was Mark Face that was all over the place..

I know alot of you like Mark that is your chose, but most of you probably don't go back that far when this happened an see him all over the TV..I would like to actually know the numbers of people he has personally found..

 

[curvecuti]

I live in a town very close to where Polly Klass was abducted an watched an listened to everything in that Case...Personally I don't care for Mark Klass i remember those days..he just seemed to be a glory hound..Tim Miller has done more than Mark has ever done as far as finding persons.

Do you expect Tim just to sit there and take what he said on National TV..sure he was angry, If someone attacked you that way you would come out fighting..

To this day I would like to know what happened to Polly Klass's Mother since they were divorced when that happened, but never heard a word about her because it was Mark Face that was all over the place..

I know alot of you like Mark that is your chose, but most of you probably don't go back that far when this happened an see him all over the TV..I would like to actually know the numbers of people he has personally found..

I personally would not throw a man's murdered daughter in his face. I might have said F@!K you MK, but the daughter statement, no way, that is the most despicable thing I have heard in a long time.

Tim Miller formed his group for the same reason MK formed his, their daughters. So does Tim consider himself "living off his dead daughter" too? Horrid.

 

[shotzie]

I personally would not throw a man's murdered daughter in his face. I might have said F@!K you MK, but the daughter statement, no way, that is the most despicable thing I have heard in a long time.

Tim Miller formed his group for the same reason MK formed his, their daughters. So does Tim consider himself "living off his dead daughter" too? Horrid.

sorry curvecut but the rumors around our area at the time of Pollys Murder was exactly that..kinda like the Anthony's are doing..Sorry something i will never forget..

At lest Tim actually gets out an searched. Mark sits in a office an directs his volunteers or gets on Nancy Grace to give his opinons..Unless he actually involved in these cases hands on... I scoff at his comments just another "My opinion is right"

Mark to my knowlege has never held a job after Polly, so what is he living off of?