Tim Miller Fires Back at Mark Klaas after last nights Nancy Grace.

[Helplessly Hoping]

Did it ever occure to you that Marc doesn't do everything IN FRONT OF A CAMERA? How about looking at his website and see the projects he works on.And those are just the tip of the iceburg.

He flies to Washington to lobby for children. He doesn't make friends in D.C. because he speaks the truth AND he gets things DONE. but those of us who know him and work for him know he works non stop. You all just don't see it.

Tricia---I am aware of his efforts...and Tim's efforts--BOTH have value. I personally think he initiated any public altercation with the "Tim should be jailed" comments on NG--He looked livid and like it was personal......I felt that was GROSSLY unprofessional--was Tim professional in his response? No-HE WASN'T...but IMO--There is something FLAT-OUT strange about the Haleigh Cummings' case and I respect anyone who is actually trying to find this child....I see two men who have lived through a hell I can't fathom but I am going to guess TM knows much more about this case and, as has been reported, his efforts have been in concert with LE...JMO

 

[SuziQ]

I've noticed a "Diva" like attitude starting to come from both of them during the Caylee case. They've both have spent their fair share of time as a talking head. They are good at what they do and need to stick with that. I think they both need to have their microphones removed and one needs to have his Dick Tracey badge taken away. They both need a spanking and be sent to their rooms.

 

[LinasK]

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bbm~

That is sad...I'm sorry that you feel that way.

Let me assure you neither man is a saint and I'll leave that there. I don't believe either ever claimed to be....as a matter of fact I don't think I know ANY saints. just sayin..

I feel the same way that Fay does, and I will always stand up for Marc Klaas. Polly deserves far better than to be trashed by Tim Miller, who lost his own daughter. Why does he think it was his job to play undercover cop to Misty??? He is a searcher. Does he suddenly think he's Leonard Padilla???

 

[Tricia]

What bothers me are the comments coming from people that somehow Marc isn't doing enough or that Tim is doing "more" than Marc.

It's not a contest but let me ask all of you something . . . How do you know what Marc has done in Haleigh's case?

Then again maybe Marc has been helping other low profile cases. To assume that he is just a "talking head" is so wrong I can't even tell you.

Since Marc has chosen not to tell the media all he does for victims and their families I must respect that. He doesn't do it for attention believe me.

No matter what, no matter if you agree or disagree with what Marc said on NG I think it's safe to say Tim Miller's comments were grossly offensive.

I wouldn't have a problem if Miller came out and said something like, "Marc doesn't know what he is talking about" or something even harsher. I understand Tim's need to lash out but what he said was jaw dropping.

If one thing comes out of this I hope I have convinced people on this board that Marc works non-stop to try and keep other people's children safe. Marc works tirelessly to be pro active in children's safety, teaching parents how to STOP their children from being in danger, how to keep their kids safe.

Just because he doesn't do what Tim does doesn't mean he is any less of an advocate that gives his life to help other children.

 

[crystalgenie]

I am curious... I heard that the LE knew nothing of Tim Miller's scheme with the "road-rage" supposed undercover and then I read on here that the LE knew about it. What is the truth?
If the LE didn't know this sounds like the bounty hunter Padilla and the Casey Anthony case... I digress it still sounds like it. Tim Miller had absolutely no business doing a lie detector test, voice analysis test or the ridiculous undercover road rage aholic, supposed undercover deal. If all the police can't get the truth out of a 17 year old child who didn't graduate highschool (some people think she didn't make it past the 6th grade)what makes anyone think she's going to talk to some woman that she doesn't even know and just met. Tim Miller does a lot of good but this is the dumbest move ever for him.

The statement he made about Mark Klaas's dead child was tasteless, disgusting, and downright abhorrent. There is no excuse for what he said. He looked and sounded like a dirtball. That is sad for a man who tries to bring closure to families and if not closure at least answers. He needs to stick to searching and keep to his own business.

MOO!!!

 

[babycat]

What bothers me are the comments coming from people that somehow Marc isn't doing enough or that Tim is doing "more" than Marc.

It's not a contest but let me ask all of you something . . . How do you know what Marc has done in Haleigh's case?

Then again maybe Marc has been helping other low profile cases. To assume that he is just a "talking head" is so wrong I can't even tell you.

Since Marc has chosen not to tell the media all he does for victims and their families I must respect that. He doesn't do it for attention believe me.

No matter what, no matter if you agree or disagree with what Marc said on NG I think it's safe to say Tim Miller's comments were grossly offensive.

I wouldn't have a problem if Miller came out and said something like, "Marc doesn't know what he is talking about" or something even harsher. I understand Tim's need to lash out but what he said was jaw dropping.

If one thing comes out of this I hope I have convinced people on this board that Marc works non-stop to try and keep other people's children safe. Marc works tirelessly to be pro active in children's safety, teaching parents how to STOP their children from being in danger, how to keep their kids safe.

Just because he doesn't do what Tim does doesn't mean he is any less of an advocate that gives his life to help other children.

Exactly. And what makes a "high profile" case ANY more important than anyone elses missing child?

Marc is doing a great service. Just because he isn't doing it in front of a camera doesn't mean it isn't happening. It just means he has a natural, intrinsic motivation to do his wonderful work, and understands that every case should be worked as if it were "high profile". Because it is, to that missing person's loved ones.

 

[Elphaba]

I think a lot of both men... I think both have done good things. I am saddened to read that Tim spoke of Marc as he did, making it so personal and accusing Marc of living off of Polly's name... I hope he (Tim) reconsiders his harsh words and apologizes to Marc.

 

[Isabella]

One thing that confuses me is the other week one of the cops made a statement that the media had basically killed Haleigh off and yet one of the people who had said to the media that Haleigh was dead was Tim Miller. If he is working with LE as much as he sa ys he is why is he going to the media saying this and why apparently is he telling Art Harris so much? To me none of this really seems very professional

 

[spicedtea]

That just breaks my heart. Two good men going at each other like this. They both have the best intentions in this case,but are coming from different perspectives.

I also can't help but wonder if Tim is beginning to burn out after all his hard work over the years. And possibly Mark is too close to this situation emotionally since his own daughter was kidnapped from her bed as well.

 

[SoSueMe]

It's unfortunate for both men that this war of words was taken public. I think they both should have voiced their concerns privately with each other.

As for TM's lie detector and voice analysis tests with Misty, why shouldn't he have done that? It's his organization and why spend thousands on a search until he is satisfied it is warranted? I know attorneys who give their own clients LD tests before they take the case to make sure their efforts aren't wasted.

I think MK and TM both are excellent advocates for missing children and give tirelessly of themselves. They are both driven with the same purpose but use different methods. I think both methods are needed and whatever it takes to find a child, I'm all for it.

 

[RiverRat]

Not liking any of this at all...sideshows suck! Trust me - I know... :twocents:

 

[believe09]

FWIW-Mark Klaas and his foundation work differently than Tim Miller and TES. There is room for both in the world of missing people.

I think it is unfortunate that both may be taking their disagreement with each other's practices public because the focus needs to be on the status of the missing. That being said, they both have profited from being high profile and it may be getting to them in different ways.

At the end of the day, however, commenting on riding the coattails of an innocent murdered child is poor form....jmvho. If it actually happened. 'Cause I must be in the minority, but I am unclear on the bona fides surrounding Art Harris and his blog.

 

[curvecuti]

Bottom line for me is TM owes MK an apology for the remark about his daughter. If that doesn't happen, I don't think I will ever regain respect for TM.

 

[KOOL LOOK]

I have always seen Mark Klaas as an administrative punctual straight up guy. I've read so many good things about him, not here by the way. But comments from actual families who have called his organization and he's been there on the spot. Marc is working for those cases not national and publicized. His technique and specialties are needed throughout the United States.

Same for Tim. He has special qualities he contributes that make him an asset to the missing and their families. I wouldn't want either one to quit. Tim is the hands on ground and water guy. He gets down and dirty, in the mud to find his purpose.

That's where it should stay, for dirt really ain't dirty. But the kind that can flow out of our mouths hurts a lifetime. Marc and Tim have podiums to address the public, which gives them power to do good and bad. I'm not going to hold permanently a moment in time against either. Let this be a lesson, and start a new day forward.

I'm going to apologize for the both of them. Hope their reading, doesn't much matter though, it's been said and it will serve it's purpose.

Hypothetically and Hopefully:

Mark: Tim, "I'm sorry".

Tim: Marc, "I'm sorry".

 

[tehcloser]

Bottom line is, both men will continue to do what they do, irregardless of what anyone thinks. The lives they have both led - being put through hell on earth - kinda tells me they don't give a rats arse about who's more popular on the net. They will both keep going, and the families of children and the families of missing people will all be better off for it. I hope, the day does not come that anyone here needs the services of these men, but if it does, something tells me regardless of your feelings at this moment, you would call them in a heart beat........and even if they knew you had said they "were terrible people, yada, yada, yada"....they would be there for you - in a heartbeat.

 

[KOOL LOOK]

Bottom line is, both men will continue to do what they do, irregardless of what anyone thinks. The lives they have both led - being put through hell on earth - kinda tells me they don't give a rats arse about who's more popular on the net. They will both keep going, and the families of children and the families of missing people will all be better off for it. I hope, the day does not come that anyone here needs the services of these men, but if it does, something tells me regardless of your feelings at this moment, you would call them in a heart beat........and even if they knew you had said they "were terrible people, yada, yada, yada"....they would be there for you - in a heartbeat.

bbm, just this once. I disagree with you. No I wouldn't call Tim. Because of what I've learned, not between him and Mark either, but because of how he has divulged very private info publically as the family called him in under the assumption of friendship.

For me, I would call in the Navy and Coastguard. I would expect fully an ocean liner, submarine sittin in that Lshaped monex pond searchin for my baby. But that's me. The big guns better salute and stand attention when it comes to my rug rats. :angel:

 

[Jersey*Girl]

This is just so sad. I hope these two WONDERFUL men can mend their differences - real soon. As we all know, every action prompts a reaction. They were both wrong, plain & simple. Something to think about: Losing a child via accidental death or kidnapping can break up nice healthy marriages...that's a fact. What makes us think these two incredible advocates are any different? Of course they're not married to each other but they are most certainly married to what they believe in! Even though we all know it's wrong not to say mean things, fact is that it's only human to do so. It's such a bad reaction, but it happens all the time, and I'm sure we're all guilty of this...somebody says something mean and then the other person says something even meaner...and so on. These two men did it on national television, so it seems so much worse, but it's not, it's the same as in everyday life. Instead of taking sides and advocating for one or the other, why not just put our energy together and wish them forgiveness for one another? They accomplish far more than most in their areas of expertise. In my eyes, they're both wonderful role models. If these two child advocate giants can spar, can anyone imagine what the PCSO & FBI are going through right now? Imagine how close they are. People that live in Putnam County are going against each other, taking sides on the families even though they never even met the parents prior to Haleigh's disappearance - all b/c they got involved with this beautiful missing little girl. I've seen it on here, as well as other forums...so what makes Tim & Marc any different? They're only human. I hope & pray they work this out. It's counter productive when two minds such as theirs work against each other instead of together.

Since this all started on Nancy's show, and since the show obviously makes money off of people tuning in & downloading videos then playing clips over & over & over again, I would hope she'd do something to help repair the damage that's been done. I really hope Marc & Tim can mend their thoughts & statements. They're both very much appreciated. Please don't give up. Please work together to help find Haleigh. I look up to both of these men & hope they show the world the heros I believe them to be.

Amen. GOD bless the living, the dead, and the microscopic.

 

[smart blonde]

I have been an admirer of Mark Klaas for many, many years... I remember being horrified and devastated by what happened to Polly.

How Mr. Klaas was even able to get out of bed after the nightmare of Polly's kidnapping, rape and murder has always been a mystery to me....

Mark Klaas has done so much to change the laws to help prevent the same thing from happening to someone else's child.

To say that he has "been living off his daughter's name" all these years is not only grossly inaccurate, it is just flat out cruel.

 

[smart blonde]

Tim Miller does admirable work in trying to find the missing.

Mark Klaas works to prevent children from going missing to begin with. Also, to help identify them when they are found.

(Just in case Tim Miller want to know what Mark Klaas has truly been doing all these years).

 

[Jersey*Girl]

Something else that was at Art's link supplied in the opening of this thread:

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Both men have received the Improvement for Justice award, accompanied by a $10,000 check for their non profit organizations, with Klaas winning it last year. “I’d won it the year before,” says Miller, “and they asked me to nominate someone for the award the next year, so I asked them to give it to Mark Klaas.”
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Now I'm even more convinced that these men just let anger get the best of them and they both spoke before their brains could register what they really should have been saying! Bottom line - if the road rage stupid incident didn't occur, and if Donna hadn't been "outed" like this, maybe something more would have been uncovered & we would all be praising Tim for his valiant efforts. Some other things did come out of it, though - Like this:

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“Haleigh remains our number one consideration, and we have to do whatever we can to find out what happened to her,” said Miller. “This was more important than searching the woods or water. We believed this just might get us a clue as to where we needed to search.”

To make sure his spy wasn’t later viewed as in any way tied to law enforcement, and anything she might learn dismissed should a criminal case ever be made against Misty, Miller tells me he didn’t relay to law enforcement where the pair were “every moment,” but investigators knew “we could locate Misty if they needed her.”

He said Brock met regularly with law enforcement as a citizen-volunteer, and briefed them on what she learned talking to Ronald Cummings’ wife, witnessing their fights on the phone, learning details about Misty’s heart-breaking childhood–and a dark side that has yet to emerge in public and could add to law enforcement’s behavioural profile of the stepmom.

“Misty has a furious temper,” says Miller, and “at times it scared Donna.”
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I'm personally glad they took advantage of Misty bonding with Donna. If it was such a bad thing to investigate like that, then amateur true crime sites that share intelligent opinions & theories could be deemed the same way. I'm of the belief that we should do whatever we have to do to find Haleigh, or any other missing person. Haleigh comes from a poor family and a poor county. If it weren't for some of the media & child advocate groups such as TES & Klaas Foundation, as well as Websleuths, Scared Monkeys, and other true crime blogs - Haleigh would have been yesterday's news. That's just sad...so very very sad. I sure hope Tim & Marc apologize to each other and move forward. I sure hope they don't listen to the many people judging them so harshly and find respect for one another again. It's most certainly counterproductive. They both do so much good and truly make a positive difference in this world.