2010.07.19 - Terry Shoemaker's comments to Art Harris RE: Misty

[leslie1960]

There is something that concerns me greatly about Shoemaker and the SA needing another month to hammer out Ron's plea deal. Sounds like they'd all but come to an agreement on the drug charges/pleas, according to what we've read today.

What if, in addition to the reduction in sentencing, they are also working a deal for immunity if Ron testifies against Misty and Tommy regarding Haleigh's death/disappearance? If he were to testify against the two of them about Haleigh, then it would follow that he could have had prior knowledge of what happened to Haleigh - so while he might get reduced drug charges, he could be charged with obstruction, withholding evidence, or WORSE.

I hope and pray that Shoemaker and the SA aren't trying to strike a deal for Ron to have immunity from any future charges in Haleigh's disappearance!

 

[ilovemew]

As a result of what he’s done so far in the Haleigh case, he’s found a small window of opportunity.



Obviously, Ron hasn't done much, Haleigh hasn't been found, and it seems no one is actually close to being charged and Ronnie is still looking at 15 years. Other than alert Misty to snitches (i.e. Donna Brock) and spreading Misty and Tommy's lies (i.e. the alligator story) I seriously wonder what he has done other than trafficking and engaging in car chases, killing rats and threatening to kill himself and others. I'm not buying the bs story LE told him to marry her then told him to divorce her or any of that bs. Wonder why he hasn't claimed LE told him to go out and sell drugs with her ?

There's still time

 

[krkrjx]

There is something that concerns me greatly about Shoemaker and the SA needing another month to hammer out Ron's plea deal. Sounds like they'd all but come to an agreement on the drug charges/pleas, according to what we've read today.

What if, in addition to the reduction in sentencing, they are also working a deal for immunity if Ron testifies against Misty and Tommy regarding Haleigh's death/disappearance? If he were to testify against the two of them about Haleigh, then it would follow that he could have had prior knowledge of what happened to Haleigh - so while he might get reduced drug charges, he could be charged with obstruction, withholding evidence, or WORSE.

I hope and pray that Shoemaker and the SA aren't trying to strike a deal for Ron to have immunity from any future charges in Haleigh's disappearance!

If RC had nothing directly to do with Haleigh's demise and he is offered immunity to tell any info he knows about the actual perp(s) I would be all for him having immunity. I can't stand the dude and I hold him responsible for what happened to Haleigh but if he did not have a direct hand in her demise, and has info that could put the real perp(s) away for a long time (or on death row), I want him to spill it. Because, bottom line, this is still about Haleigh.

As for the trafficking charges, Ron's gonna walk after serving a couple years, tops.

Not even sure what to think about Misty's fate anymore. I think one day Misty may start screaming and just never stop.

 

[Whisperer]

Seems like the State has taken off the top two charge of x25 yrs.

That leaves rc with the other three. It sounded like his attorney was saying one of the three left was a minimum of 3 yrs. SO now rc and his attorney are trying to get the state to drop another charge (the 15 yr one).

Nothing like pushing it. Give them an inch and they take a yd. Anyway this leaves rc with 1 charge of a 15 yr min and one with a three year. They think, if they play it right, that they can get his sentence down to 8-10 yrs....and that is what they are holding out for.

I have to check his charges again because I do not recall him having a minor drug charge on this arrest. I know Tommy's was a 3 yr minimum but I didn't know rc's were...hmm.

 

[krkrjx]

Whisperer, I hope RC does not have any 3-year charges showing because initially he had two 25-year charges and three 15-year charges. If it now shows any with less than a 15-year minimum, then one or more has already been reduced, IMO.

I still hold onto a bit of hope that the judge does not go with the minimum because the mandatory is 15-30 on his three remaining charges. My gut feeling though, is that Ron will serve relatively little time. And he will probably be visiting Misty in prison.

How does he do this time and time again? I do not believe it's LE letting him slide all these times. It's the courts and prosecutors; it has to be. LE arrested him and did so with sufficient charges for very high bail. And for what? He will be out and about and any future arrests will go the same way.

ETA: I think I have figured out how Ron may have ended up with a charge with only a 3-year minimum. If you recall the one video where Ron puts a pill in his mouth--well, his ingesting that pill brought the total transaction weight down to a lower level charge. [Well, it's as good an explanation as any, right?]

Seriously, his docket does show one charge with no weight (grams) listed. Bond is less on that one too. But, I don't think it was always like that. I was just scrolling through the docket update thread looking for an actual posting of his original docket but did not find one. Only found links, which of course show current info rather than original info.

 

[Zoe Bogart]

I don't know if this will help, but it's one of the earliest drug bust records:

 

[badme102]

I deleted my other post saying that "I really like THIS" because I think it was being totally misunderstood. Just to be perfectly clear I meant that I really like THIS: (red and bold by me)

The drug trafficking charges against Cummings, Misty and Tommy Croslin appear to be such slam dunks–all caught by hidden police undercover camera –that Tommy has plead no contest and awaits sentencing Aug. 6, Ronald has agreed to plead to three of five charges with sentencing delayed until after Misty’s trial, and his ex-wife plans to plead no contest to her drug charges Aug. 22 when the so called ringleader appears in Putnam County Circuit court, attorney Robert Fields tells me in an exlusive interview.

http://www.artharris.com/2010/07/20/...ns-bad-memory/

I like that Misty is going to plead no contest (if true) because once again it takes away another one of Ron's bargaining chips. (unless of course, he will testify against Misty in Haleigh's case)

Quite a few posters misunderstood my previous post, and I wanted to make it clear exactly what part of this quote I was speaking about.

 

[dodie20]

I deleted my other post saying that "I really like THIS" because I think it was being totally misunderstood. Just to be perfectly clear I meant that I really like THIS: (red and bold by me)



I like that Misty is going to plead no contest (if true) because once again it takes away another one of Ron's bargaining chips. (unless of course, he will testify against Misty in Haleigh's case)

Quite a few posters misunderstood my previous post, and I wanted to make it clear exactly what part of this quote I was speaking about.

thanks for clearing that up. but as far as Ron's bargaining chips go, realistically speaking, I think Haleigh is his only one. & I am very very curious to see what he has to say. Will he (A) tell the truth, but implicate himself, only to be protected by immunity? (the most logical guestimate). Or will he (B) pull a Tommy & give details, but point to somebody besides himself? (a big maybe). If he goes with (A), I still don't expect him to be entirely truthful.

 

[dodie20]

If RC had nothing directly to do with Haleigh's demise and he is offered immunity to tell any info he knows about the actual perp(s) I would be all for him having immunity. I can't stand the dude and I hold him responsible for what happened to Haleigh but if he did not have a direct hand in her demise, and has info that could put the real perp(s) away for a long time (or on death row), I want him to spill it. Because, bottom line, this is still about Haleigh.

As for the trafficking charges, Ron's gonna walk after serving a couple years, tops.

Not even sure what to think about Misty's fate anymore. I think one day Misty may start screaming and just never stop.

I can see Misty finally, getting to that point. With the intense pressure coming from the Cummings, her own family, & an unrelenting LE, I don't see how she hasn't already had a breakdown.

 

[Emma Peel]

I have no clue....but when he stated the other day about "non-related drug charges" could these be drug charges on some big fish or in these comments clipped from AH it sounds as if its all about Haleigh. Now did Ron JUST learn something new in jail? I am as perplexed as anyone else on this. :crazy:

I was thinking along those lines HH. They definitely do NOT need Ron's testimony in the drug case - heck it's all videotaped up with a bow.

Ron has something else to sell. It's either some admission on the gun, (maybe GGMS will finally haul the automatic weapon with Joe's fingerprints out from between her ... mattresses), or he'll rat higher up the drug ring, or he'll give a nice lists of names for the next drug or gun sting - including names of some LE's kids maybe...just to spice things up a bit ...

JMHO

 

[butterfly1978]

Were the heck is our Haleigh base? This is new news an no ones around... Whats up?

Okay so Ron agreed to isolate Misty and kick her to the curb. I'm sure Le told Ron to put the headless rat in Tommy's mailbox, and file a restraining order against him, because thats all part of isolating her Per LE's order. He also was told to kick her to the curb thats why he is seen in how many video's selling drugs with her.. Sounds like you really kicked her to the curb Ron. I guess the whole selling drugs thing was LE's orders to, and you are sitting in jail on a "freaking whim" because you did EVERYTHING LE asks of you, all for the sake of Haleigh. Right Ron? How noble of you Ron to sacrifice the next 25 years or more of your life so that you can find absolutely anything useful to help LE find your daughter... Your such the maryter Ron...
Cant wait to find out what Le is going to have you doing in the big house for the next 25 years for them, and I especially cant wait to see what all them dope boys in the big house are going to do to the precious little martyr Ron who does everything LE asks of him.

 

[butterfly1978]

Wait a dang minute. If Misty is going to plead no contest, then why the hello would the state make a deal with Ron. If she is pleading than there is no need for Ron.... What agreement is Ron making that he will testify to if Misty is pleading?

 

[dodie20]

Were the heck is our Haleigh base? This is new news an no ones around... Whats up?

Okay so Ron agreed to isolate Misty and kick her to the curb. I'm sure Le told Ron to put the headless rat in Tommy's mailbox, and file a restraining order against him, because thats all part of isolating her Per LE's order. He also was told to kick her to the curb thats why he is seen in how many video's selling drugs with her.. Sounds like you really kicked her to the curb Ron. I guess the whole selling drugs thing was LE's orders to, and you are sitting in jail on a "freaking whim" because you did EVERYTHING LE asks of you, all for the sake of Haleigh. Right Ron? How noble of you Ron to sacrifice the next 25 years or more of your life so that you can find absolutely anything useful to help LE find your daughter... Your such the maryter Ron...
Cant wait to find out what Le is going to have you doing in the big house for the next 25 years for them, and I especially cant wait to see what all them dope boys in the big house are going to do to the precious little martyr Ron who does everything LE asks of him.

Ron's excuses are full of holes, but for the life of me, I don't understand why LE hasn't refuted Ron's accusations. like they did with bloggers & rumors.

 

[1Chump]

Dodie, I just don't believe that all of this was one big set up to get Misty. I really can't wrap my mind around that. If LE did ask Ron to divorce Misty, IMO, it was because they knew as long as she was up under Ron they would not be able to get to the truth. I wanted Ron to divorce her too. Only because I felt like Misty was being controlled and manipulated by the Cummings clan and if she got away from them we might get closer to finding out what happened to our Haleigh. IMO, Misty was isolated.
Like you said, Dodie, if Ron was working with LE what did it accomplish???
Misty behind bars
Tommy behind bars
AND RON behind bars on dang near a million dollar bond! What part of the plan was that?:waitasec:
IMO, LE wanted to make sure they had both Ron and Misty behind bars with no way out by giving them extremely high bonds.

JMO of course

How did Ron cooperate with LE to get Misty when Ron himself said he stopped talking to LE in March because he was at work and did not know anything?

 

[raisincharlie]

How did Ron cooperate with LE to get Misty when Ron himself said he stopped talking to LE in March because he was at work and did not know anything?

That certainly is a unique approach to finding one's missing child isn't it ?

 

[krkrjx]

Ron's excuses are full of holes, but for the life of me, I don't understand why LE hasn't refuted Ron's accusations. like they did with bloggers & rumors.

...because LE does not have to refute anything, or confirm anything, or say anything about anything, unless they choose to do so. LE may not cry foul every time some kind of statement is made by an attorney or a reporter or whomever, but that does not mean the statement is valid. All IMO, of course.

 

[1Chump]

How will anyone prove what Ron testifies against Misty to be true? What can Ron have on Misty other than hearsay?

What if Ron testifies and what he testifies to is a lie, and SA finds out...is the deal then off, and he has to serve all time?

i am just trying to figure out what in the world Ron could have on Misty. If it is something damning regarding HaLeigh's case, could Ron be charged with Obstruction of justice, or interfering with an ongoing investigation? Basically b/c he witheld information? He really can't expect someone to belive that he got new information since he has been in jail, none of them are locked up with him..well Tommy is in PCSO but i don't think they are in the same block...

this is just CRAZY

The SA cannot just take Ron's word. They must have cooberating "evidence" to confirm that what he is saying is true. It is the same problem they have with Misty and Tommy. Misty and Tommy may have told the truth but without evidence to back it up, they cannot act on it.

IMO, they need Ron to 'testify" or give a statement under oath to get his statement to try to catch him in lies. They have Misty/Tommy's statements and potential evidence to back them up depending on what Ron states under oath.

 

[Concerned Papa]

The SA cannot just take Ron's word. They must have cooberating "evidence" to confirm that what he is saying is true. It is the same problem they have with Misty and Tommy. Misty and Tommy may have told the truth but without evidence to back it up, they cannot act on it.

IMO, they need Ron to 'testify" or give a statement under oath to get his statement to try to catch him in lies. They have Misty/Tommy's statements and potential evidence to back them up depending on what Ron states under oath.

Thanks 1Chump. That's the first logical explanation I've seen for why the SA would want RC's testimony against two defendants who are pleading NO CONTEST!

 

[dodie20]

The SA cannot just take Ron's word. They must have cooberating "evidence" to confirm that what he is saying is true. It is the same problem they have with Misty and Tommy. Misty and Tommy may have told the truth but without evidence to back it up, they cannot act on it.

IMO, they need Ron to 'testify" or give a statement under oath to get his statement to try to catch him in lies. They have Misty/Tommy's statements and potential evidence to back them up depending on what Ron states under oath.

I've actually thought about this, but I have no doubt that Ron will be very careful with his words. have it all planned out & rehearsed to the finest detail, & when in doubt, resort to that old standby, 'I was at work'. But, I actually see a few problems with this strategy. #1-Hope. At the time she reported the bust, I was at a loss as to why Nancy Grace upplayed Hope's relationship with Misty, proclaiming how 'tight' they were-while ignoring her cousinship with Ron. Because it's gonna be dang near impossible, to claim that he was just selling drugs in order to 'work' on Misty, but let his young cousin tag along? So, I believe he is throwing Hope right under a bus. & his explanation is gonna be real hard to swallow. Problem #2-all of Ron's past inconsistencies. Tim Miller, (above reproach), & Cobra, (taped conversations), both have a boat load of information. Problem #3-If he's lieing about working with LE, it could bite him in the azz. But I see Ron continuing to lie, if it'll bolster his story. & if LE gets the answers they want, (namely Haleigh's location), I think they will likely let a lot of the lies go unchecked. Since one of Ron's 1st lies, was about there being no fight with Joe, over a gun, I think that may be what's getting ironed out right now. because if he stole that gun, or had it illegally, he could be facing some serious gun charges-which of course, (like everything else), he'll manage to avoid. Ron's gonna take care of Ron, before coughing up any major information, & I imagine he has thrown LE enough tidbits, that they know he has the goods, on Haleigh.

 

[Chablis]

I have been thinking about Shoemaker saying that Ron will make a deal for 15 and he will be asked everything about things that have happened in the past year and a half. It has just hit me that I think Ron wants immunity for anything Haleigh related, and I bet he feels 15 years is punishment enough for what happened to her.

jmo