2010.07.19 - Terry Shoemaker's comments to Art Harris RE: Misty

[krkrjx]

I can't help but wonder if the SA really does not need or want Ron's testimony on anything, but never really intended to seriously prosecute him, so his potentially "testifying" is being given as an excuse to drop his charges. The state and Ron's attorney can just say he made statements, etc., that they are satisfied with. And since there won't be any trials for him to testify at, none of what RC states will be made public; we'll get some mumble-jumble from Shoemaker and that will be the end of it.

Everyone's pleading out because the evidence is solid and damning. Ron has had charges reduced or dismissed repeatedly for many years and now it's simply happening again. The only difference is the prosecution had to go through the motions this time because this time the public was watching.

In short, the state is going to let Ron slide and has intended to do so all along. If this were a real deal, Ron might get a charge dropped, or maybe a couple charges reduced. But to completely wipe out the two most serious charges, Ron would have to have something really big to offer the state and I do not think he has anything of that nature that he is willing to testify about. He also still has the burglary charge outstanding; I have no doubt that will just go away, also.

 

[dodie20]

...because LE does not have to refute anything, or confirm anything, or say anything about anything, unless they choose to do so. LE may not cry foul every time some kind of statement is made by an attorney or a reporter or whomever, but that does not mean the statement is valid. All IMO, of course.

That's true, but if LE doesn't want us believing something, they can refute it. It's not realistic for LE to expect people to not trust any single thing a person says, & only wait for the few tidbits that they decide to release. There's a lot of information out there, & LE can do or not do what they want with it, but, people are going to hear things, & decide on their own, what's believable. & right now, since LE hasn't refuted that they asked Ron to divorce Misty, I'm assuming it's true. But, it's just my opinion, based around the facts, surrounding Ron's statement. But if LE didn't ask Ron to divorce Misty, I guess we'll soon know.

 

[Chablis]

I can't help but wonder if the SA really does not need or want Ron's testimony on anything, but never really intended to seriously prosecute him, so his potentially "testifying" is being given as an excuse to drop his charges. The state and Ron's attorney can just say he made statements, etc., that they are satisfied with. And since there won't be any trials for him to testify at, none of what RC states will be made public; we'll get some mumble-jumble from Shoemaker and that will be the end of it.

Everyone's pleading out because the evidence is solid and damning. Ron has had charges reduced or dismissed repeatedly for many years and now it's simply happening again. The only difference is the prosecution had to go through the motions this time because this time the public was watching.

In short, the state is going to let Ron slide and has intended to do so all along. If this were a real deal, Ron might get a charge dropped, or maybe a couple charges reduced. But to completely wipe out the two most serious charges, Ron would have to have something really big to offer the state and I do not think he has anything of that nature that he is willing to testify about. He also still has the burglary charge outstanding; I have no doubt that will just go away, also.

If they never intended to prosecute him, he would never have been arrested and we would not have seen his tapes, if Misty was truly the one they were after. I am sure there were way more benefits for the LE to have Ron running around and Misty in jail, stewing wondering what Ron was doing, but thats not how it went down. This isn't some joke arrest and ruse like the Cummings/Sykes/Neves families want us to beleive.

jmo

 

[krkrjx]

That's true, but if LE doesn't want us believing something, they can refute it. It's not realistic for LE to expect people to not trust any single thing a person says, & only wait for the few tidbits that they decide to release. There's a lot of information out there, & LE can do or not do what they want with it, but, people are going to hear things, & decide on their own, what's believable. & right now, since LE hasn't refuted that they asked Ron to divorce Misty, I'm assuming it's true. But, it's just my opinion, based around the facts, surrounding Ron's statement. But if LE didn't ask Ron to divorce Misty, I guess we'll soon know.

I just thought possibly it had been confirmed somewhere and I missed it. So, thanks for stating that it is your opinion only.

 

[Chablis]

That's true, but if LE doesn't want us believing something, they can refute it. It's not realistic for LE to expect people to not trust any single thing a person says, & only wait for the few tidbits that they decide to release. There's a lot of information out there, & LE can do or not do what they want with it, but, people are going to hear things, & decide on their own, what's believable. & right now, since LE hasn't refuted that they asked Ron to divorce Misty, I'm assuming it's true. But, it's just my opinion, based around the facts, surrounding Ron's statement. But if LE didn't ask Ron to divorce Misty, I guess we'll soon know.

The LE would never encourage child rape.

I personally see the LE as giving Ron so much rope, letting him think they didn't suspect him in public, but I bet they let him know privately, especially when they were telling his lawyer he went from the TOP of the list to the bottom, and I bet that list is no longer that 3.

The prosecution one day will show a jury how brazen and arrogant Ronald Cummings is, they dont have to confirm or deny anything, but if the PCSO was encouraging child rape, because thats what it really is and was considering she wasnt even old enough to consent, if thats how it is in PCSO, then the FBI needs to get down there if having sex and marrying a child is the way to solve a missing childs case.
jmo

 

[krkrjx]

If they never intended to prosecute him, he would never have been arrested and we would not have seen his tapes, if Misty was truly the one they were after. I am sure there were way more benefits for the LE to have Ron running around and Misty in jail, stewing wondering what Ron was doing, but thats not how it went down. This isn't some joke arrest and ruse like the Cummings/Sykes/Neves families want us to beleive.

jmo

No...it's a bonafide arrest.

It's the prosecution that appears to be a joke.

ETA: ALL RC's past arrests were real, too, but then charges were reduced or dismissed in court, either by a judge or by the prosecution just...not prosecuting.

I can't blame LE for all the crime in that area. I blame the revolving doors of the courts and the lack of action by prosecutors. But as always, this is all JMO.

 

[dodie20]

ok...so, Shomaker says that Ronald doesn't want to think that Misty had anything to do with harming Haleigh, & he thinks she was coerced. But, he thinks she has been holding back? Oh really? Ronald just came to that conclusion? I wonder what made that light bulb go off...since the failed lie tests, etc...weren't enough, it must've been something big. whatever. But, what I do find disturbing about Shoemaker's staments, is the fact that Ron is still 'supporting' Misty, & I can't help but wonder if those words weren't chosen very carefully, to convey the message to Misty, that Ron still has her back, & he expects the same.

 

[dodie20]

The LE would never encourage child rape.

I personally see the LE as giving Ron so much rope, letting him think they didn't suspect him in public, but I bet they let him know privately, especially when they were telling his lawyer he went from the TOP of the list to the bottom, and I bet that list is no longer that 3.

The prosecution one day will show a jury how brazen and arrogant Ronald Cummings is, they dont have to confirm or deny anything, but if the PCSO was encouraging child rape, because thats what it really is and was considering she wasnt even old enough to consent, if thats how it is in PCSO, then the FBI needs to get down there if having sex and marrying a child is the way to solve a missing childs case.
jmo

I don't think LE incouraged Ron to marry Misty, but I do think they told him that the marraige was getting in the way of their investigation. As for them not incouraging child rape? Well, they knew what Ron was doing with Misty, before they married, & for whatever reason, decided to not go after him. In my mind, that was not only wrong, but a big mistake. I think they should've charged him, & forced him to face the consequences. (a little slap on the wrist, probably). I don't know why they didn't go after him. so, while they might not have technically incouraged statutory rape, they didn't do a thing about it.

 

[Chablis]

I don't think LE incouraged Ron to marry Misty, but I do think they told him that the marraige was getting in the way of their investigation. As for them not incouraging child rape? Well, they knew what Ron was doing with Misty, before they married, & for whatever reason, decided to not go after him. In my mind, that was not only wrong, but a big mistake. I think they should've charged him, & forced him to face the consequences. (a little slap on the wrist, probably). I don't know why they didn't go after him. so, while they might not have technically incouraged statutory rape, they didn't do a thing about it.

In order for the cops to have said hey Ron, marry Misty, the Croslins, Lisa and Hank would have to be in on it because marriage to her was not an option period without their consent. As for the stat rape charges, its up to the parents to bring charges and complain, and you cant really prove they were having sex without major proof, so the state could have pressed for it, but they didnt, and Flora Hollars said they got married because Ron was scared of the rape charge, well why would he be scared if the cops were ok with it, if we believe Flora.

 

[Snowbunny]

If they never intended to prosecute him, he would never have been arrested and we would not have seen his tapes, if Misty was truly the one they were after. I am sure there were way more benefits for the LE to have Ron running around and Misty in jail, stewing wondering what Ron was doing, but thats not how it went down. This isn't some joke arrest and ruse like the Cummings/Sykes/Neves families want us to beleive.

jmo

I totally agree with you! RC's bail wouldn't have been set as high as it was if this was some kind of joke. It was set high with the intent to keep him in jail because they knew he couldn't afford to get out. LE has him right where they want him. What the public doesn't quite understand is that LE is notorious for playing games to get the answers. You need to start thinking like LE does and you might start to see the whole picture. In their minds they might think its okay to drop two of Ronald Cummings' drug trafficing charges because in the end their intent might be to charge the idiot with the murder of his daughter. Right now they are probably getting the little tidbits they needed to finalize this case to make it stick because the joker is trying hard to save his hide and he's talking. You bebt I would let the joker think I believed in him if I thought I could possibably find out the information I needed from him to put this case together. As it is the players in this case all thought the undercover cop was their best buddy. Ronald felt comfortable enough to tell the dude his business about his daughter on one of the tapes. LE will do whatever it takes to get the truth. Teresa Neves is cozying up to John Merchant and talks to him on a regular basis from the sounds of things. Let them talk. Do you think John Merchant would hesitate for one second to arrest Teresa Neves if he found out she was involved in the act/coverup? Not on your life. LE is playing them like a fiddle just like the Cummings played Misty. LE knows that all eyes are on them in this case and they don't dare screw up or their butts will be on the line and they know this. Bebt this case is solved by Mid September. That's my gutt feeling. Another gutt feeling I have is I don't pick up on the vibes that Haleigh Ann Marie Cummings is dead unless she was cremated. I've often wondered if Haleigh might have taken a blow to the head and survived but isn't the same little girl as she was mentally. I cannot fathom a father walking around all this time knowing his daughter was or might be dead and not show any real emotion or concern, but if she was injured enough to have some sort of brain damage I could see where Ronald, Teresa, and GGM Sykes would do everything in their power to hide her and then try to devert attention elsewhere with respects that she was abducted or murdered to throw everbody off the trail and not draw attention to Ronald. But on the other hand, LE must have some sort of evidence to point to murder because they wouldn't have changed this case from a missing child to a hommicide.

 

[Whisperer]

I never saw a case that has so many suspects and all of them equally good liars...

 

[Whisperer]

Just looked up Misty's situation in Putnam:


1...three charges with 3 yr minimum.
2...two charges with 15 yr minimim
3...two charges with 25 yr minimum

In St Johns

1...one charge with 25 yr minimum.

It should be interesting to see how they negotiate these. With rc it is being rumored aby his attorney that they knocked out his biggest charges. Will they do the same with misty?

 

[krkrjx]

Just looked up Misty's situation in Putnam:


1...three charges with 3 yr minimum.
2...two charges with 15 yr minimim
3...two charges with 25 yr minimum

In St Johns

1...one charge with 25 yr minimum.

It should be interesting to see how they negotiate these. With rc it is being rumored aby his attorney that they knocked out his biggest charges. Will they do the same with misty?

Probably. I mean, they might as well drop Misty's charges too. And then Tommy gets out in a couple years. Hey, for all the trafficking charges the ones that will actually serve time are ... Donna and Hope. What a world, huh!

 

[joeskidbeck]

For the life of me, I can't see the state offering Ron a deal with anything other than REAL info on Haleigh. How could they ever justify giving Misty the min/max and Ron walking away? The public wasn't in on Ron's past exploits so there was no one to be enraged about him getting off on all those charges. It's a whole new ballgame now. They have to know this. I, for one, wouldn't care if all of them get twenty five to life for these drug charges but they need to tell what really happened to Haleigh. I think the only "deal" that should be made for any of them is this: We'll drop the drug charges in exchange for the location of Haleigh. NO deals for anything less than this. AND: no immunity in Haleigh's case. This way, if any of them know where she is (and are not guilty of the actual murder) they can be tried as accessories. Looking at the charges they are all facing, this should seem like a sweet deal.

 

[Dr. Know?]

It's like a chess match, each have their pawns moving forward. I want to see the dang King Queen or players be nailed and find where Haleigh is or the truth of where she is, how and why. A checkmate.

Law is good but it's a lot to read. I don't take each site literally anymore, nor my interpretations, lol. I just dig deeper.

 

[Emeralgem]

I can't help but wonder if the SA really does not need or want Ron's testimony on anything, but never really intended to seriously prosecute him, so his potentially "testifying" is being given as an excuse to drop his charges. The state and Ron's attorney can just say he made statements, etc., that they are satisfied with. And since there won't be any trials for him to testify at, none of what RC states will be made public; we'll get some mumble-jumble from Shoemaker and that will be the end of it.

Everyone's pleading out because the evidence is solid and damning. Ron has had charges reduced or dismissed repeatedly for many years and now it's simply happening again. The only difference is the prosecution had to go through the motions this time because this time the public was watching.

In short, the state is going to let Ron slide and has intended to do so all along. If this were a real deal, Ron might get a charge dropped, or maybe a couple charges reduced. But to completely wipe out the two most serious charges, Ron would have to have something really big to offer the state and I do not think he has anything of that nature that he is willing to testify about. He also still has the burglary charge outstanding; I have no doubt that will just go away, also.

I believe you just about wrapped it all up in a nice little package....Anyone and everyone can call it anything they want...BUT...

I'm labeling it..


C-O-R-R-U-P-T-I-O-N

 

[1Chump]

I've actually thought about this, but I have no doubt that Ron will be very careful with his words. have it all planned out & rehearsed to the finest detail, & when in doubt, resort to that old standby, 'I was at work'. But, I actually see a few problems with this strategy. #1-Hope. At the time she reported the bust, I was at a loss as to why Nancy Grace upplayed Hope's relationship with Misty, proclaiming how 'tight' they were-while ignoring her cousinship with Ron. Because it's gonna be dang near impossible, to claim that he was just selling drugs in order to 'work' on Misty, but let his young cousin tag along? So, I believe he is throwing Hope right under a bus. & his explanation is gonna be real hard to swallow. Problem #2-all of Ron's past inconsistencies. Tim Miller, (above reproach), & Cobra, (taped conversations), both have a boat load of information. Problem #3-If he's lieing about working with LE, it could bite him in the azz. But I see Ron continuing to lie, if it'll bolster his story. & if LE gets the answers they want, (namely Haleigh's location), I think they will likely let a lot of the lies go unchecked. Since one of Ron's 1st lies, was about there being no fight with Joe, over a gun, I think that may be what's getting ironed out right now. because if he stole that gun, or had it illegally, he could be facing some serious gun charges-which of course, (like everything else), he'll manage to avoid. Ron's gonna take care of Ron, before coughing up any major information, & I imagine he has thrown LE enough tidbits, that they know he has the goods, on Haleigh.

Ron has no idea what "evidence" they have. There is no way that Ron can fit his answers to that evidence.

We have no idea what the phone records/pings tell. What if Ron's 9 pm call to "Tommy" was not to Tommy? What if LE has "evidence" that Tommy was not home at the time? If Ron says he spoke with Tommy but LE could prove he spoke to Misty and that is why he stopped calling Misty's cell, that would shore up Misty/Tommy's statements with the phone records. Ron could not change his "testimony" in a trial to fit the evidence because they could use his prior statement against him. Without Ron giving any statements, at trial he could testify to fit the evidence so the jury would have to figure out who is more credible. (Note - this is not a fact....just used as an example.)

IMO, that is why the SA wants Ron on record under oath NOW. Prior to charges being filed, Ron has no right to any potential evidence. After charges are filed, Ron has the right to all potential evidence. Ron's statement NOW would mean he cannot lie his way out of it. Because Ron does not know what lies he needs to tell to explain away what LE knows.

 

[1Chump]

I have been thinking about Shoemaker saying that Ron will make a deal for 15 and he will be asked everything about things that have happened in the past year and a half. It has just hit me that I think Ron wants immunity for anything Haleigh related, and I bet he feels 15 years is punishment enough for what happened to her.

jmo

The SA is not going to offer a deal in the drug case that gives Ron immunity in an unrelated case, ie Haleigh.

IMO, the reason Ron wants a deal in the drug case is that he is charged under mandatory MINIMUM. The Judge tends to base sentencing on the SA's recommendation. Without the deal, the SA could recommend the MAXIMUM and put Ron away for life. Ron wants the deal to get the SA to recommend the minimum.

IMO, Ron is not going for immunity in Haleigh. Ron has nothing to give the SA to get immunity with Haleigh. If Ron had a chance for immunity with Haleigh, he would also have enough to get the drug charges reduced to possession with intent to sell.

 

[Chablis]

The SA is not going to offer a deal in the drug case that gives Ron immunity in an unrelated case, ie Haleigh.

IMO, the reason Ron wants a deal in the drug case is that he is charged under mandatory MINIMUM. The Judge tends to base sentencing on the SA's recommendation. Without the deal, the SA could recommend the MAXIMUM and put Ron away for life. Ron wants the deal to get the SA to recommend the minimum.

IMO, Ron is not going for immunity in Haleigh. Ron has nothing to give the SA to get immunity with Haleigh. If Ron had a chance for immunity with Haleigh, he would also have enough to get the drug charges reduced to possession with intent to sell.

I think Ron has more than enough to deal with when it comes to Haleigh. And I do think Ron wants immunity, what did Shoemaker mean when he said part of the deal is they can ask Ron anything and everything about what has happened in the past year and a half?

I think Ron is arrogant enough to think he deserves immunity in all this.

 

[KSH352]

IMO Shoemaker's statement to Art Harris is unbelievable. Brings to mind the big deal Shoemaker made about the Funeral that was supposed to be ordered by PCSO which turned out not to be true.

So do we really take everything Shoemaker says as the truth or words created to sway a listening public. I'm sure that Shoemaker and his client are aware of the public sentiment in general about his client.

So to me "Everything that sparkles in not Gold" or in this case you have to READ BETWEEN THE LIES.