2010.07.26 Grand Jury begins

[Jade2010]

Why isn't it against the law if someone solicits you to murder someone and you don't notify LE?

 

[neetz57]

I wonder how Terri paid the landscaper, considering Kaine never knew they had one?

Do we know if he (LS) even did any work for them? As I recall, another LS called her about the job she'd listed for a LS. Was it in the paper, or Craigs List?
Don't recall hearing if she ever got her landscaping done.

 

[LisaB]

Do we know if he (LS) even did any work for them? As I recall, another LS called her about the job she'd listed for a LS. Was it in the paper, or Craigs List?
Don't recall hearing if she ever got her landscaping done.

"Landscaping?" Is that what the kids are calling it these days? Is everyone involved in the case a gardener or landscaper?

MOO

IIRC, KH didn't even know they HAD a landscaper.

 

[BeanE]

You know, I recall reading in some report something about something through August 11 and wondering what that date was all about. Do we know that they even convened today?

That was the date through which cameras had been barred from that floor.

 

[Billylee]

I'm just curious do we know what MC does for a living? Is he another landscaper? LOL Do we even have a thread for this guy yet, or are we not allowed to sleuth him. I was thinking we could since he took pictures of the RO. ??

 

[neetz57]

"Landscaping?" Is that what the kids are calling it these days? Is everyone involved in the case a gardener or landscaper?

MOO

IIRC, KH didn't even know they HAD a landscaper.

TH put out an ad for a Landscaper. Whether KH knew about it or not, IDK?
The MFH guy was a landscaper. There was another guy interviewed who answered an ad for a landscaping job that she'd put out, but I don't think she ever got back with him, as I recall.
Yes, this case is full of landscapers.

 

[Curious Me]

Whatever they are working on I wish they would hurry the heck up...maybe if someone was stuck behind the bars they might talk because it sure does not look like they are going to this way. I need a town where I can be sheriff. "No talky...here sitty in the jaily". ppppffffttttt. To heck with rights...lol.

I'm getting impatient can you tell?

bbm

Exactly, that in itself IS a crime and rest assured she will do some time if indeed LE can prove it.
I've linked a prior case in Ore. where the defendant is pending 10 years. Not enough I know in this case with everything considered in our minds.

http://portland.fbi.gov/dojpressrel/pressrel10/pd042210.htm

BBM I feel assured by your post that she'll do time. She would've gotten away with her MFH plan if Kyron wasn't missing. At least that came to light. It's hard to believe the MFH plot, and woe to her if she did harm Kyron.

 

[Emma Peel]

:laugh:

O'T...LOL..I know a town where I would love to be sheriff too..JMO

I'd try to guess but that's too hardy for me.

 

[Emma Peel]

I WANT TO HEAR THIS TESTIMONY RIGHT NOW.

Sorry for shouting, but THIS matters the MOST, IMO.

Should everything Terri does be colored by the LS MFH?

Can the LS story really prove that Terri's character is capable of arranging for Kyron's disappearance so clearly, that LE need look no further than Terri and her associates to find Kyron?

Are we done with looking for Kyron because she's so clearly sociopathic that he never had a chance?

Is this investigation, LE's case, based entirely on evidence and anecdotes related to Terri's bad character and her motive to hurt her husband?

 

[citigirl]

I WANT TO HEAR THIS TESTIMONY RIGHT NOW.

Sorry for shouting, but THIS matters the MOST, IMO.

Should everything Terri does be colored by the LS MFH?

Can the LS story really prove that Terri's character is capable of arranging for Kyron's disappearance so clearly, that LE need look no further than Terri and her associates to find Kyron?

Are we done with looking for Kyron because she's so clearly sociopathic that he never had a chance?

Is this investigation, LE's case, based entirely on evidence and anecdotes related to Terri's bad character and her motive to hurt her husband?

Emma, some perspective here. There is a remote possibility that Terri did not do this. But LE has every right and reason to believe she is involved because of all these awful things she HAS done. I agree that we have heard so far does not add up to murder. But I am assuming LE has more evidence.

Even if LE does not have another shred of evidence, how in the world could they overlook Terri as a suspect? They didn't make up the MFH story. It's possible the LS did. But given what they know, they really HAVE TO focus on her. She's brought this on herself.

They are working with a Grand Jury now--I think they are doing everything they can. If focusing on Terri as a suspect has been the wrong thing to do, it's Terri's fault, not theirs. The sexting, asking Michael Cook to lie to her attorney, the disposable cell phone, the things they know to be true REQUIRE them to consider her as the prime suspect. They would be derelict in their duty if they did not try discover everything they can about her.

 

[freefallzzzz]

I've never officially heard the name of the LS.

Also, is this the LS that was involved on 6/26 with LE, going to the H's house?

Or is this the other LS that said he was somehow contacted by TH and left messages for her and she did not respond. (I'm sure someone has the link?) =)

 

[sorrell skye]

I WANT TO HEAR THIS TESTIMONY RIGHT NOW.

Sorry for shouting, but THIS matters the MOST, IMO.

Should everything Terri does be colored by the LS MFH?

Can the LS story really prove that Terri's character is capable of arranging for Kyron's disappearance so clearly, that LE need look no further than Terri and her associates to find Kyron?

Are we done with looking for Kyron because she's so clearly sociopathic that he never had a chance?

Is this investigation, LE's case, based entirely on evidence and anecdotes related to Terri's bad character and her motive to hurt her husband?

Agreed, and I would add *alleged* motive to hurt her husband, since the MFH sting failed to produce any evidence & TH has not been charged (let alone convicted) with solicitation with conspiracy to commit murder.

 

[mtnone]

"Landscaping?" Is that what the kids are calling it these days? Is everyone involved in the case a gardener or landscaper?

MOO

IIRC, KH didn't even know they HAD a landscaper.

You know what has bugged me since LE said that, about Kaine not even knowing they had a landscaper?

In the many photos that I can't link to, there were several that Terri had taken and posted that showed their backyard. Her comments were about, and I paraphrase, that for those that didn't know, from those two small trees back, it was all blackberries, etc...

I know Kaine claims to be unaware of just about everything and everyone around him, but did he really think that Terri had done that work herself? From what little I know, dealing with those bushes and getting them removed is very hard work, even for the pros. He had to have noticed the change in the yard. He isn't blind.

Just like almost every other single thing done and said in this case. That statement by LE makes no sense after having seen those pics. It just isn't possible.

Did anyone else notice that? Maybe it's just me.

 

[Emma Peel]

Emma, some perspective here. There is a remote possibility that Terri did not do this. But LE has every right and reason to believe she is involved because of all these awful things she HAS done. I agree that we have heard so far does not add up to murder. But I am assuming LE has more evidence.

Even if LE does not have another shred of evidence, how in the world could they overlook Terri as a suspect? They didn't make up the MFH story. It's possible the LS did. But given what they know, they really HAVE TO focus on her. She's brought this on herself.

They are working with a Grand Jury now--I think they are doing everything they can. If focusing on Terri as a suspect has been the wrong thing to do, it's Terri's fault, not theirs. The sexting, asking Michael Cook to lie to her attorney, the disposable cell phone, the things they know to be true REQUIRE them to consider her as the prime suspect. They would be derelict in their duty if they did not try discover everything they can about her.

Should everything Terri does be colored by the alleged LS MFH?

Is this investigation, LE's case, based entirely on evidence and anecdotes related to Terri's bad character and her motive to hurt her husband?

I see you have answered my question. And you've helped me make my point.

From my perspective, evidence of a lousy marriage, history of promiscuity, low self-esteem, carelessness about who sees the RO the day you receive it, and goofy supportive girlfriends who buy bat phones so they can hang at Terri's house and still call home without being phone-bugged do not necessarily point to Terri as being the exclusive suspect.

However, the MFH allegations, if TRUE, would, from my perspective, strongly point to Terri's motive of finding any way she can to hurt her husband.

So, again ...
Oh to be a fly on the wall for this LS's GJ testimony!

Unless Terri has confided in another GJ witness that she wants her husband dead - then, IMO, it's the one critical testimony that this whole "Terri did it" investigation would be riding upon.

 

[citigirl]

I see you have answered my question. And you've helped me make my point.

From my perspective, evidence of a lousy marriage, history of promiscuity, low self-esteem, carelessness about who sees the RO the day you receive it, and goofy supportive girlfriends who buy bat phones so they can hang at Terri's house and still call home without being phone-bugged do not necessarily point to Terri as being the exclusive suspect.

However, the MFH allegations, if TRUE, would, from my perspective, strongly point to Terri's motive of finding any way she can to hurt her husband.

So, again ...
Oh to be a fly on the wall for this LS's GJ testimony!

Unless Terri has confided in another GJ witness that she wants her husband dead - then, IMO, it's the one critical testimony that this whole "Terri did it" investigation would be riding upon.

Could be. I hope not....

 

[Emma Peel]

You know what has bugged me since LE said that, about Kaine not even knowing they had a landscaper?

In the many photos that I can't link to, there were several that Terri had taken and posted that showed their backyard. Her comments were about, and I paraphrase, that for those that didn't know, from those two small trees back, it was all blackberries, etc...

I know Kaine claims to be unaware of just about everything and everyone around him, but did he really think that Terri had done that work herself? From what little I know, dealing with those bushes and getting them removed is very hard work, even for the pros. He had to have noticed the change in the yard. He isn't blind.

Just like almost every other single thing done and said in this case. That statement by LE makes no sense after having seen those pics. It just isn't possible.

Did anyone else notice that? Maybe it's just me.

Maybe Kaine was aware of a one time major project of clearing bushes vs. not knowing about periodic landscaping service that Terri set up?

It struck me as strange too though - my husband would be interesting in following up on landscaping service I set up. I told myself that I have no idea when our HVAC or our cars are maintained (not my interest - it's my husband's thing), so why should Kaine need to know when his lawn is maintained (if the lawn was Terri's interest - as we know it was).

 

[Susan10]

You know what has bugged me since LE said that, about Kaine not even knowing they had a landscaper?

In the many photos that I can't link to, there were several that Terri had taken and posted that showed their backyard. Her comments were about, and I paraphrase, that for those that didn't know, from those two small trees back, it was all blackberries, etc...

I know Kaine claims to be unaware of just about everything and everyone around him, but did he really think that Terri had done that work herself? From what little I know, dealing with those bushes and getting them removed is very hard work, even for the pros. He had to have noticed the change in the yard. He isn't blind.

Just like almost every other single thing done and said in this case. That statement by LE makes no sense after having seen those pics. It just isn't possible.

Did anyone else notice that? Maybe it's just me.

ied

I've been married for more decades than I care to admit. Believe me, it's possible he didn't notice.

 

[Emma Peel]

I've never officially heard the name of the LS.

Also, is this the LS that was involved on 6/26 with LE, going to the H's house?

Or is this the other LS that said he was somehow contacted by TH and left messages for her and she did not respond. (I'm sure someone has the link?) =)

Freefallzzzz - this is from the article quoted in the original post. So yes, it seems it is the same LS, if Koin reporting is to be believed here.

http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/n...der-for-hire-plot/DsZPsC9z3UujvXc6ZrUh-Q.cspx

The landscaper in the alleged murder-for-hire plot involving Terri Horman testified before the grand jury, sources told KOIN Local 6.

 

[ThoughtFox]

I know I sound like a broken record that is stuck in a groove, but this landscaper's testimony about his "sexting" with Terri or whatever is about her state of mind. That's important.

It implies she had murder on her mind. How could that not be important when Kyron is missing? :waitasec:

It implies she is a liar, too - she was doing this crapola behind her husband's back.

It's all about her disconnect to Kaine and the rest of the family. To me that is obvious and simple.

Yes, in a vacuum that wouldn't mean anything, but we have context here with a small child missing for weeks and non-cooperation on Terri's part.

Her state of mind is key. If she secretly resented Kaine and wanted to get rid of him, she might feel the same way about his son. JMO

 

[mtnone]

ied

I've been married for more decades than I care to admit. Believe me, it's possible he didn't notice.

Yes, after many years of marriage that is something I know too. But, to not notice your back yard is now almost twice as big as it was? Possible, but very, very unlikely.