2010.07.26 - Kyron Horman case featured on Dateline

[RoughlyCollie]

It's uncanny the resemblence, they look so much alike, I feel like there HAS to be something to that. Dede could have easily passed as Terri. Not saying that's what happened.

Maybe so. To me, though, they look nothing alike. I've looked and looked, and they just don't.

 

[kathryann]

Wow. Just...wow.

I feel as though the final piece of the puzzle has slammed into place, and I'm going out on a limb with my personal opinion: Michael Cook.

Did you notice that the story seemed to indicate that he was in on the first, or one of the first searches? He seems like he was Mr. Ready Freddie, Mr. Jim Dandy to the Rescue.

It sems like a lot for someone from high school, who, according to Kaine in a prior interview, hadn't seen or gotten together with Kaine since H.S. Really--an insertion of self and an over-reaction. If one of my friends from HS wound up in this situation, I wouldn't drop everything and race off to take a major, leading role in banners, webpages, fund-raising, searching, etc. etc. Not unless it was a friend with whom I was still in contact and very close.

Then he moves in on Terri. Let's assume for a second that she's innocent. Kyron's missing, she's accused of a MFH plot, Kaine grabs her daughter and moves out, files for divorce. I.E. she's very vulnerable--and MC moves in.

He brings food, drinks. Speaks up for her. And voila! They're sexting!

This all stinks. I've felt hinky about him for a long time now.

And I'd like to know--were he and KH really *friends* in H.S. or just on shared sports teams? Was he secretly jealous of KH? Had anything happened recently--KH getting attention, an award, or who knows what--that had triggered him? What's his past like? Has he ever been involved in any violence? Does he have a police record?

I sure hope that LE is putting him under a microscope.

At this point, if the abduction wasn't a predator that day, my leading candidates are (pure speculation):

Michael Cook.

Maybe TH finally figured out that MC could have been involved, but he had first held the sexting over her head and then threatened her daughter--as in "I made Kyron go away, I can do the same with K."

Note again: this is sheer speculation. Totally. It's in keeping with other scenarios folks here have spitballed around.

Or, if the relationship began earlier and TH is involved, maybe she and MC shuffled him off somewhere else.

I dunno. But man, I just looked at MC in that interview clip and my gut clenched and went AHA! He's deeply involved somehow, IMHO.

And, I'm not surprised that Kaine started an affair with TH while married to DY. What is shocking is that they were still married and living together.

Here again we see KH: reality is what he wants and what he says it is, and in this case that they had agreed to live together but lead separate lives. Meanwhile, DY spends two months sobbing at his betrayal. Wow, that made me hurt even more for her.

I think DY is a class act, and she is suffering horribly, including deep deep guilt. I think TY is suffering, too, and that he truly loves her and Kyron. Wow.

As for TH "grabbing" Kiara, there's been a lot of slamming of Terri because she didn't "fight for" her baby. As I understand it, the RO hadn't yet been served on her. All she knew was that KH had taken her child and left with her. So she decided to get her daughter back, which puts "paid" to claims that TH wasn't willing to take any risks or do anything to get her child back. IMHO.

But all that is irrelevant now. Kyron must be found. Desiree has been victimized first by KH's infidelity, has suffered through kidney failure, gave up custody of Kyron for what she thought was his own good, continued to mother him, and now has been victimized again with his abduction.

I hope that if Terri has any information that she knows or suspects about MC that she tells it fast. And I'd sure like to know more about MC, his life and past, and the real nature of his relationship with KH in high school. Something just isn't right here.

This is my current opinion. It's liable to change. Your mileage may vary.

I have been sort of on an anti-Terri binge today LOL. You make a very interesting point. He was sort of creepy looking when I think about it. Did you ever see a person being interviewed at a crime scene and lo and behold they find out later that it was the person that committed the crime? Sometimes criminals come back and watch all the commotion they cause. I actually thought Dede was kind of creepy too. Let's please all pray that Kyron really is somewhere and will be found soon.

 

[mydailyopinions]

In the great scheme of things and as they relate to Kyron's disappearance, does it really matter whether or not Desiree says Kaine cheated or Kaine says they were living separate lives under the same roof? I mean, honestly, I could care less if they both were committing adultry with every John and Jane Doe they came across or whatever the case may be, it has no bearing whatsoever on the fact that Kyron is missing and has been missing since he was last seen at the school with his step-mother who is not cooperating with authorities. I could care less if Terri Horman was sexting with the President as it has no bearing whatsoever on the fact that Kyron is still missing.

:woohoo:

 

[Krisy]

I feel like I'm watching an episode of "Friends"...No we were on a "break".

LOL, sorry couldn't help it.

I think in general men and women view break ups completly diff....even more so if you were the one who screwed up.(Kaine)

Not a biggie to me that they would see it differently.

 

[Emeralgem]

BUT at this point DY did not know that TH was the last one to see him, all she knew was that he didn't get off the school bus and that he was missing from school. TH being the last one to see him came out after this phone call. Going with along in this vein, wouldn't she be wanting to talk to his teacher? He was missing from school.

At this point she had no reason to believe that TH was involved, all she knew was that Kyron didn't get off the bus and that he was missing from school, she could have had 'mother's intuition' (which I believe is quite possible) but at this point DY did NOT know that TH was the person to last see him and that he had been missing for hours...or did she? Now I am confused, what did the secretary tell her when she was called? That he hadn't been seen since that morning? Or that he couldn't be found right then?

BBM..Just curious as to HOW you seem to know just exactly what DY knew and when she knew it...

 

[AvalonBlue]

BBM

I am not attacking them, I was simply making a correlation b/w what some have said about TH and her possibly selling Kyron's story and KH/DY doing the same. And until she has been proven guilty, I really don't see a difference-( I am not saying she isn't guilty-I am just saying that so far- she hasn't been arrested or even named a POI, so why is her POSSIBLY selling pictures/the story horrible but when KH/DY do it (possibly) it is an okay thing to do?)

And while I agree that it is important to keep Kyron in the news, we are 1/2 an hour in and it seems as if the focus is on how TH probably had something to do with Kyron's missing and the MFH plot and not please help us find Kyron.

IMO there is a difference between a news segment that states "HEY this cute little boy is missing help us find him" and "Hey this cute little boy is missing and we think his stepmom did something to him, help us find him"

Hi, goatman,
I don't know if you've been able to follow this case from close to the beginning, however, it is not just one thing that points to TH's involvement -- it's a combination of things revealed over time -- "curiouser and curiouser" (and even more bizarre over time) that have kept incriminating TH as each day has unfolded.

There may not be a "guilt beyond a shadow of the doubt" case able to be proved right this minute, however, it's just not possible for me to have been so involved in this case and not see "preponderance of the evidence" building and building.

I'm not an attorney, I'm a therapist -- and I'm a Mom and Grandma -- and I have been thinking through all this as logically as possible, trying to give TH the benefit of the doubt -- and her story just ain't cuttin' it for me.:snooty:

Not picking on you -- just taking your post and giving my view, IMO et. al.:innocent:

 

[Adalena935]

In the great scheme of things and as they relate to Kyron's disappearance, does it really matter whether or not Desiree says Kaine cheated or Kaine says they were living separate lives under the same roof? I mean, honestly, I could care less if they both were committing adultry with every John and Jane Doe they came across or whatever the case may be, it has no bearing whatsoever on the fact that Kyron is missing and has been missing since he was last seen at the school with his step-mother who is not cooperating with authorities. I could care less if Terri Horman was sexting with the President as it has no bearing whatsoever on the fact that Kyron is still missing.

Courts are for truth and if the judge allows the testimony against the defendant (which I believe will be the stepmother) then truth should not be hidden or feared in any way. I do believe these truths will be in that courtroom as evidence (which testimony is by any other name). It shows the character of the defendant and jury needs to be privy to the truth.

 

[miabellamoure]

I still wonder if Kaine will be the next person "voted off the island". I expect TY & DY will seek custody if Kyron is returned.

JMO

This is exactly what I have been wondering when hearing how each of the bio parents are planning for Kyron's return...would they continue to "share" custody or will DY file for full/permanent/physical custody...never letting him out of her sight.

Oh this is such a sad, sad situation anyway you slice it...

 

[STEADFAST]

However, in the second presser, Terri reached for Desiree's hand and seemed to miss it. Desiree then reached for Terri's hand. Don't know what it means, if anything, but she did and they held hands for a while (I'm not sure of the exact amount of time).

That's not what I saw. I saw Terri try to take Desiree's hand and Desiree pull her hand away and bring it across to the other side of her body. Then she touches her hair and lets her hand drop to the side, at which point Terri takes it, and Desiree does not try to pull it away again.

Just goes to show how different we all see others body language.

 

[goatman]

BBM..Just curious as to HOW you seem to know just exactly what DY knew and when she knew it...

Sorry, I did write that confusingly. I was going on the assumption that the secretary called her and said something along the lines of "your son is missing, he didn't get off of the school bus and isn't in the school" I tried to clarify that at the end of my post when I wrote: "but at this point DY did NOT know that TH was the person to last see him and that he had been missing for hours...or did she? Now I am confused, what did the secretary tell her when she was called? That he hadn't been seen since that morning? Or that he couldn't be found right then?"

Did that make sense? Or did I make things more confusing? At that point all DY had to go on was the phone call from the secretary, so it greatly depends on what the secretary told her, and how would the secretary know that TH was the last one to see him?

 

[Emma Peel]

I did not want this to be the case, but have felt there was more to the story... and there you have it. Kaine cheated on Desiree while she was pregnant with Kyron. Desiree considered Kaine to be unfaithful to her, and could not leave her room for two months. Kaine says he was pretty sure they'd already agreed to live separate lives under one roof.

From Dateline Report.

Wowza. :shakehead:

 

[tfrohning]

I think Dateline was excellent and just what I wanted to see.

Yes we all heard everything that was brought up...but to me I wanted to see the personal side of Kaine and Desiree and Tony. I seen that tonight and my heart breaks for them.

In one of the clip from the presser when LE said this is Criminal Investigation and the body language of Terri at that moment (I didn't notice the first time) I am convince that she is involve in Kyron disappearance. I can't put it into words but it was like "I am trouble...what am I going to do" she panic.

JMO

 

[goatman]

Hi, goatman,
I don't know if you've been able to follow this case from close to the beginning, however, it is not just one thing that points to TH's involvement -- it's a combination of things revealed over time -- "curiouser and curiouser" (and even more bizarre over time) that have kept incriminating TH as each day has unfolded.

There may not be a "guilt beyond a shadow of the doubt" case able to be proved right this minute, however, it's just not possible for me to have been so involved in this case and not see "preponderance of the evidence" building and building.

I'm not an attorney, I'm a therapist -- and I'm a Mom and Grandma -- and I have been thinking through all this as logically as possible, trying to give TH the benefit of the doubt -- and her story just ain't cuttin' it for me.:snooty:

Not picking on you -- just taking your post and giving my view, IMO et. al.:innocent:

Quite frankly, I believe that TH is guilty as sin, however, I do think that she is being criticized for things that she has possibly done while others in this case have been given a 'free pass' (lying, possibly selling pictures). And that group think should always be tempered with a 'devil's advocate' (pun unintentionally intended).

I need to point out however, that NO ONE has been reported as selling pictures, it is all if she did=bad if they did= (what).

MOO

 

[Steely Dan]

I still wonder if Kaine will be the next person "voted off the island". I expect TY & DY will seek custody if Kyron is returned.

JMO

If they don't I will really question her parenting skills. (I don't blame her at all for anything thus far but if she didn't want custody of him that would just be dumbfounding.) JMO

Bolding mine>
You mirror my feelings well. TH was the last known adult entrusted with Kyron's care. LE could never clear her. Red flag right away with her telling them she was at the school when her phone records placed her 10 miles away. And much much more...

Yeah, my hinky meter was getting up from the very beginning about her.

I think that DY had the absolute right to set things straight about the "friendship" and how it all came about. And yes, it's relevant--it speaks to Kaine's character, just as people say that some things speak to TH's character. I.E., sauce/goose/gander. So far, KH has been held up as someone absolutely totally believable and trusthworthy in everything he says and does. Nope, he's not.

And frankly, I don't think he should have sole custody of baby K--which is a whole other matter.

:waitasec:

Do you think TH should have some custody or do you mean something else?

 

[Ivan's Phoenix]

Sleuthy, the fact that KH had a pregnant wife at home and started an affair with TH (or anyone) speaks equally to his character adn what kind of person he is. It's not fair to blame one-half of the duet when adultery is involved.

Frankly, he had the greater responsibility (as far as I know TH wasn't cheating on a spouse), and he created a massive FAIL of character. We don't know--maybe he told her that the divorce papers would be signed after the baby was born and his name was on the birth certificat. Married men having affairs tend to say all kinds of things. Or maybe he didn't, and TH wasn't bothered by having an affair any more than he apparently was.

Let's not give the male a free pass on what was wrong for both parties. IMHO.

"Married men having affairs tend to say all kinds of things."

Yeah they do! ITA! For instance, in a case such as this, they say things like, "The baby is not mine, she was s****ing around behind my back, we were not even having s** at that time, it can't be mine!!! BLAH BLAH BLAH!!!"

I am not saying Kaine said this to Terry, but every guy I have ever known in this situation said it!!!

 

[nonfictionrocks]

Bolding mine>
You mirror my feelings well. TH was the last known adult entrusted with Kyron's care. LE could never clear her. Red flag right away with her telling them she was at the school when her phone records placed her 10 miles away. And much much more...

BBM

Is there a MSM link to this? TIA

 

[Adrienne37]

Courts are for truth and if the judge allows the testimony against the defendant (which I believe will be the stepmother) then truth should not be hidden or feared in any way. I do believe these truths will be in that courtroom as evidence (which testimony is by any other name). It shows the character of the defendant and jury needs to be privy to the truth.

Oh, I absolutely 100% agree with you on this; however, this case isn't in court yet and the fact remains, their sexual practices in no way shape or form have anything at all to do with Kyron missing. Absolutely, it will go to character if there is a trial but as it stands right now, we aren't quite that far yet although I am hoping and praying every day that Kyron is brought home so that his father and mother both have closure, and Terri Horman is brought to justice. JMO.

 

[xin]

Sorry, I did write that confusingly. I was going on the assumption that the secretary called her and said something along the lines of "your son is missing, he didn't get off of the school bus and isn't in the school" I tried to clarify that at the end of my post when I wrote: "but at this point DY did NOT know that TH was the person to last see him and that he had been missing for hours...or did she? Now I am confused, what did the secretary tell her when she was called? That he hadn't been seen since that morning? Or that he couldn't be found right then?"

Did that make sense? Or did I make things more confusing? At that point all DY had to go on was the phone call from the secretary, so it greatly depends on what the secretary told her, and how would the secretary know that TH was the last one to see him?

These are KEY mysteries. We don't really know the full picture on these conversations, in-person interactions. The secretary's story is very very important. Cannot wait to hear more about this part, AND the first official description.

imho

 

[RoughlyCollie]

To me her anger should all be directed at Kaine. He is the one that broke his oath to Desiree. And yet she said through the years she thought Kyron had a good life with Terri and Kaine. IMO

Well, we don't know what happened between DY and KH. Perhaps at some point he apologized and asked her to forgive him. Or perhaps she forgave him anyway. Or not. Who knows?

 

[tfrohning]

This is exactly what I have been wondering when hearing how each of the bio parents are planning for Kyron's return...would they continue to "share" custody or will DY file for full/permanent/physical custody...never letting him out of her sight.

Oh this is such a sad, sad situation anyway you slice it...

Yes it is. I just want Kyron to come home and they can figure that out when he back home.

I have thought about this too...I think that they will all live in the same town or closer and circle Kyron with even more love than ever. That all that really matter.