2010.07.26 - Kyron Horman case featured on Dateline

[chasing.halos]

Just a FYI I am seeing baby K's name spelled out a lot in this thread I am sure by accident so you might want to check your posts. (I did this myself on accident the other day!) <3

 

[Kat010]

Curious, I'm confused--was KH the "primary caregiver" of Kyron for 7 years? 2 years with DY, and from then on TH was the stay-at-home caregiver and then legal stepmom.

Meanwhile, I don't think this thread is a hate or attack Kaine thread. Instead, something not too good about him just came out. During this whole thing, all kinds of things have been said about TH. Now it's his turn, and what DY said in that interview is now just as fair game for public comment, IMHO, as anything said about TH.

Sauce/goose/gander.

 

[RR0004]

Sorry, I did write that confusingly. I was going on the assumption that the secretary called her and said something along the lines of "your son is missing, he didn't get off of the school bus and isn't in the school" I tried to clarify that at the end of my post when I wrote: "but at this point DY did NOT know that TH was the person to last see him and that he had been missing for hours...or did she? Now I am confused, what did the secretary tell her when she was called? That he hadn't been seen since that morning? Or that he couldn't be found right then?"

Did that make sense? Or did I make things more confusing? At that point all DY had to go on was the phone call from the secretary, so it greatly depends on what the secretary told her, and how would the secretary know that TH was the last one to see him?

...because it was known that she accompanied him to the Science Fair and led him to class?

 

[Openmyeyes]

I think Dateline was excellent and just what I wanted to see.

Yes we all heard everything that was brought up...but to me I wanted to see the personal side of Kaine and Desiree and Tony. I seen that tonight and my heart breaks for them.

In one of the clip from the presser when LE said this is Criminal Investigation and the body language of Terri at that moment (I didn't notice the first time) I am convince that she is involve in Kyron disappearance. I can't put it into words but it was like "I am trouble...what am I going to do" she panic.

JMO

Dateline did a great job, overall. They clarified a few issues that many of us had and they worked with what they had. I was rather surprized that it was such DY and TY show, but then who else could have given that much info?
DY thought it odd that TH questioned her coming. I might have done the same thing TH did, knowing that it was a 4.5 hour drive and asked why she was coming now. I would have told her to wait because I wouldn't think that Kyron really could be lost -lost. (You know it never happens to you...).
I'd give it more time and keep her on a cell phone with one of us.

Carp....I'll start getting myself confused again. All I can think of right now is that I would have a conversation with my ex, his current, and then make some suggestions, like checking with friends, etc. Now, if the sec said "he hasnt been here all day", then I'd have a conversation with the teacher, then TH, as I was filling the car up with gas to head out, cuz I would just know in my heart that someone was LYING TO ME BIG TIME.

 

[kappy50]

Funny how this has now become the "Kaine is horrible" thread when he has been the primary caregiver of his 7-year old son for the past years. We don't know what really happened between DY and KH and I think it was unclassy of the classy DY to speak out about this.

That's what I meant about not understanding the relevance of Desiree's statement. Kaine is her son's father and primary caregive. Why would she want to feed him to the sharks??

what is a primary care giver ??? Just curious!

 

[Emma Peel]

It goes to character.

Terri & Kaine affair while Kaine is under the same roof as Desiree, and while Desiree is 8 months pregnant.

IMO, it doesn't get more selfish. *shivers*

And Desiree saying she's always regretted giving Kaine full custody of Kyron. She knew.



these are Desiree's statements per dateline story.

 

[Sherbie]

Speculation spitball alert:

I am now left wondering, with the confirmation of what I had suspected (and posted a few days ago) about the affair with Terri while Desiree was pregnant, if the rumors of Kaine having an affair currently (or recently) are not true?

They always say if you marry a man who's cheated on his former spouse with you, it's quite likely to happen again...

I'm just left thinking that maybe there's another skeleton in the closet, but we're not hearing of that because Kaine doesn't want it to be known.

Best-
Herding Cats

I love me some speculation spitballs! If he is or has been engaged in an affair, you better believe it will come out, whether he wants it to be known or not. These folks are not gonna have one shred of their lives left private once all is said and done.

They just better all be thankful they don't live in Florida. :crazy:

 

[ZL27]

I have thought that for a long time also; that Kyron has suffered tremendously. I read in one news article that his Mother said he would cry and beg to come live with she and his step-Father in the time before he vanished.

But Kaine has said he sometimes cried when he had to go to Desiree's house. I think it was just a matter of a little boy not wanting to miss anything with either parent.

 

[Adalena935]

BBM

Is there a MSM link to this? TIA

Commonly reported in the beginning of this case. Links to these stories in this case's links thread.


Sauvie Island search

 

[mydailyopinions]

Curious, I'm confused--was KH the "primary caregiver" of Kyron for 7 years? 2 years with DY, and from then on TH was the stay-at-home caregiver and then legal stepmom.

Meanwhile, I don't think this thread is a hate or attack Kaine thread. Instead, something not too good about him just came out. During this whole thing, all kinds of things have been said about TH. Now it's his turn, and what DY said in that interview is now just as fair game for public comment, IMHO, as anything said about TH.

Sauce/goose/gander.

Someone will literally have to show me a law where TH could have been a "legal stepmom" Caregiver maybe, but nothing legal without adoption.

 

[wondering1]

Funny how this has now become the "Kaine is horrible" thread when he has been the primary caregiver of his 7-year old son for the past years. We don't know what really happened between DY and KH and I think it was unclassy of the classy DY to speak out about this.

That's what I meant about not understanding the relevance of Desiree's statement. Kaine is her son's father and primary caregive. Why would she want to feed him to the sharks??

I don't see it that way. She was just providing the truth about a matter than was inaccurately reported in the MSM and bears directly on TH's trustworthiness and veracity. I think a lot of people wanted to know who was telling the truth about that detail. It may even have been on the list of questons folks here wanted an answer to iirc.

Not that it doesn't also reflect on KH's character and veracity. But he's not the one who's potentially on trial for kidnapping, murder and a MFH plot. If he were, it would be reflecting much worse on him, as well.

eta: I may be the most cynical person alive, or just had one to many carppy relationships, but I had chalked the affair up in the established fact category from the first time I read that TH moved in to *help out* with baby k. Before DY even hinted that they weren't friends. It was just an immediate oh puh-lease.

 

[goatman]

No sleuthing private lives of the victims. POA, persons of focus, players whatever we call them are sleuthable. Is that a word? I just made it one.

You may discuss the actions of Desiree and Kaine. But you may not look into their personal lives. They told you there was a rocky breakup, however we want to put it. That is open for discussion. But beyond that until MSM brings other news or the parents themselves..... :nono: Does this help?

To sum it up YEP! That was my question, which parts of their personal lives were open for discussion-only the parts they give us.

 

[RoughlyCollie]

I agree, that is what it is sounding like. I am confused however about why she would (seemingly) hate Terri but be okay with Kaine. Wouldn't he have more of the blame being married to her and not Terri (not saying that Terri is innocent of being the 'other woman').

Maybe it is a woman to woman thing. What kind of woman would have an affair with a man whom she knows has a pregnant wife?

 

[rosiebean]

The whole "he cheated" and "we were on a break/over" thing isn't important, IMO. What IS important is that we have verification that the TH/KH relationship began when DY was very, very pregnant. It DID NOT begin after TH so very kindly moved in with her friend DY's ex to take care of Kyron when he was a wee little baby. I've long suspected that story (as told by TH's friends/family) was utter and complete BS, but it's nice to have confirmation.

I'm not certain (not enough to convict if I were on a jury) that TH did something to Kyron. But I DO think that she's told more than a few stories to her family and friends that are outright lies...and, IMO, given the lack of lies (thus far, as far as I've seen), that is significant in regards to character/motivation.

 

[goatman]

...because it was known that she accompanied him to the Science Fair and led him to class?

BUT was it known at that point?

 

[Adalena935]

But Kaine has said he sometimes cried when he had to go to Desiree's house. I think it was just a matter of a little boy not wanting to miss anything with either parent.

Oh thanks I never read or heard that.

 

[Melanie]

I haven't read all the posts, but find it odd that the parents have done a Dateline NBC show in the midst of a case. Most (though not all) are done after all is said and done.

It's not 10:00 here yet, so I've yet to watch it -- but it does appear from the teasers that this is all one sided against TH. What if she didn't do it? Okay, so my hinky meter says she's involved -- but that doesn't make it so.

Innocent until proven guilty eh? It looks like this show will try and convict TH no prob. Even before an arrest has been made!

MOO

Mel

 

[cypress]

I don't think this has become the Kaine is horrible thread, but everyone is saying that whatever needs to be done to bring Kyron home should be done. What if a key to this mystery lies in Kaine's behavior? Shouldn't his life and choices be taken into consideration? There are facts about Kaine that are a little disconcerting, IMHO, specifically with regard to the end of his relationship with Desiree, the RO, and his ignorance about his current life -- he was unaware of problems in his marriage, unaware if Terri still suffered from PPD, unaware if she was still taking medication, and the list goes on, from his own mouth.

What I know is that LE, DY, TY, KH and the media have been focused on Terri Horman for two months and yet Kyron has not been brought home. She may be guilty as sin, but a clue to why or how she did this may lie with her husband, the father of the child who is missing. It's not unreasonable to take a second look at him. Everyone is saying how Terri should lay herself bare, all the skeletons out of her closet, hold nothing back, and the forum operates on that assumption with regard to her -- discussing every nook and cranny of her life, diagnosing her, hypothesizing whether or not she loved the boy she'd mothered from infancy, and yet the life of the biological father should not be examined for clues? That's unfathomable to me.

 

[mydailyopinions]

BUT was it known at that point?

Forgive me goatman, I'm trying very hard to figure out where you are coming from here..
Was what known at that point? That TH was the last one seen with Kyron? I am wondering if you are thinking that be the reason why Desiree drove straight there?

 

[Sherbie]

It has been posted that she asked if KH and TH were there and then called TH. At that point she knew KH was there and still called TH.

Editing to paste:

I saw that post, but what I thought I heard was that she asked if Terri were there. I don't recall it being both TH and KH that she asked about. So that might be where the difference lies. They'll probably have the video or transcript up soon so that we can check on it.

Either way, because Terri would probably know more about the particulars of anything school-related (when, where, how Kyron did this or that), I think it perfectly normal she would ask for TH even if she knew KH were there too.