2010.07.26 - Kyron Horman case featured on Dateline

[Sherbie]

BUT was it known at that point?

Why does it matter? What if she knew Kaine was standing right there and asked to speak to Terri anyway? What does that indicate to you?

 

[Emma Peel]

Funny how this has now become the "Kaine is horrible" thread when he has been the primary caregiver of his 7-year old son for the past years. We don't know what really happened between DY and KH and I think it was unclassy of the classy DY to speak out about this.

That's what I meant about not understanding the relevance of Desiree's statement. Kaine is her son's father and primary caregive. Why would she want to feed him to the sharks??

It's Desiree's time for righteous indignation.

I think she discussed it with considerable restraint and class.

This entire time, Kaine has whitewashed how Terri entered into Kyron's life.

If I was Desiree, I'd have corrected the story at the first round of interviews. Truth is more important than appearances. Class has nothing to do with covering up the truth of Terri's history with Kyron & Kaine & Desiree - when Kyron has gone missing.

The truth will out at trial anyway. Trust me. It goes to Terri's character, motive and judgment.

(Kaine's as well, however he didn't disappear a child - we know where Terri's son is...)

JMHO

 

[Adalena935]

I haven't read all the posts, but find it odd that the parents have done a Dateline NBC show in the midst of a case. Most (though not all) are done after all is said and done.

It's not 10:00 here yet, so I've yet to watch it -- but it does appear from the teasers that this is all one sided against TH. What if she didn't do it? Okay, so my hinky meter says she's involved -- but that doesn't make it so.

Innocent until proven guilty eh? It looks like this show will try and convict TH no prob. Even before an arrest has been made!

MOO

Mel

That basically means the government must prove it's case against a defendant (burden of proof on the state). Judges will sometimes instruct the jurors to keep an open mind going into deliberations. Obviously the police, the district attorney, the prosecutors, the state, the federal government already believes the accused defendant to be guilty or they wouldn't arrest & prosecute them in the first place. They're saying we KNOW you're guilty of this crime and we will prove it in a court of law.

It's largely a symbolic principle applied inside a court trial.

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Innocent+until+proven+guilty

A principle that requires the government to prove the guilt of a criminal defendant and relieves the defendant of any burden to prove his or her innocence.

 

[maureen718]

I don't think Desiree needed to talk about the fact Kaine cheated on her. I mean, I am very sympathetic to DY, but why talk about these intimate details? How will that help bring Kyron home?? It just makes her look more like a victim (which she is) and keeps painting both Kaine and Terri as the bad guys. But why then did she trust her precious child with them??

I think Desiree might being speaking of the affair and how devastated she was by it to bring to mind motive that Terri may have had to attack Kyron, if the rumors of Kaine having had an affair on Terri are true. Desiree knows everything and everyone Kaine's been involved with in at least the last year through this investigation, as Kaine knows everything about Desiree and Tony, these three have told LE their whole life stories as they have said in several interviews. So Desiree puts it out there how devastating it is to find out about an affair to give reason as to why Terri flipped her lid.

 

[Sherbie]

I haven't read all the posts, but find it odd that the parents have done a Dateline NBC show in the midst of a case. Most (though not all) are done after all is said and done.

It's not 10:00 here yet, so I've yet to watch it -- but it does appear from the teasers that this is all one sided against TH. What if she didn't do it? Okay, so my hinky meter says she's involved -- but that doesn't make it so.

Innocent until proven guilty eh? It looks like this show will try and convict TH no prob. Even before an arrest has been made!

MOO

Mel

I think from their perspective, they believe Terri knows something (at the very least) and are doing everything in their power to bring pressure on her to cooperate, while at the same time trying to sustain public interest in finding Kyron.

I'm sure Terri or her lawyer were invited to make a statement for the show. Up to them whether they want to do that.

 

[RoughlyCollie]

It's interesting to note that Kaine's ex-sister-in-law (not Terri's friend as the rumor perpetuates) is the one who stated that Terri moved in to help with the baby (Kyron). In this case, the lie doesn't seem to be coming from Terri.

Probably it's what both of them say. People prefer to present themselves in their best light, especially if they are feeling shame about something they have done. Shame is a powerful emotion.

 

[goatman]

Why does it matter? What if she knew Kaine was standing right there and asked to speak to Terri anyway? What does that indicate to you?

Honestly, for some reason, it does seem important to me. From my understanding, DY has maintained that she didn't like TH, trust TH, and that Kyron wanted to live with her. However, when push came to shove she talked to TH and not KH, and from what I understand they were standing right next to each other and she knew this. While, I am unsure about whether or not it indicates anything...I just feel it is important to note. Maybe it is unimportant to others, or read differently by others. But for whatever reason (which I haven't been able to articulate) it does seem important to me.

 

[Dee10]

I haven't read all the posts, but find it odd that the parents have done a Dateline NBC show in the midst of a case. Most (though not all) are done after all is said and done.

It's not 10:00 here yet, so I've yet to watch it -- but it does appear from the teasers that this is all one sided against TH. What if she didn't do it? Okay, so my hinky meter says she's involved -- but that doesn't make it so.

Innocent until proven guilty eh? It looks like this show will try and convict TH no prob. Even before an arrest has been made!

MOO

Mel

They did a Dateline in the Somer Thompson case too. I take it...they go for it, in a high profile case. I am totally sure they asked Terri to speak...and we know the answer from experience. :angel:

 

[RR0004]

I think from their perspective, they believe Terri knows something (at the very least) and are doing everything in their power to bring pressure on her to cooperate, while at the same time trying to sustain public interest in finding Kyron.

I'm sure Terri or her lawyer were invited to make a statement for the show. Up to them whether they want to do that.

They were...and the lawyer responded appropriately (by letter) IMO as to why he wouldn't give an interview.

 

[gwenabob]

I think they will, too. I would, in their position.

And I think a judge would give them custody, no problem.

 

[cypress]

re: Desiree rushing to Portland

In the situations in which a similar thing happened, there were steps taken, though. No one was immediately unhinged to the point of inaction. Let's hypothesize for a moment that Terri is innocent. Kyron lived with Terri, she was his primary caretaker, and in her mind, in that moment, she was handling it. I'm not saying she wasn't worried, or shouldn't have been worried under the circumstances, but even Kaine believed that initially Kyron was confused and waiting at school. If Terri is innocent, then she knew he'd been at the school that day, and what the school was saying didn't make sense to her, so she may not have been as immediately as alarmed as you would think. She may have believed the school was confused and assumed Kyron was inside the school somewhere. For that reason, not realizing the true gravity of the situation, I can understand how Terri might be flustered by Desiree rushing to the school. In that moment, if Terri is innocent and she knew for a fact Kyron had been at school despite a teacher marking him absent, she may have been confused and worried but not thinking he had been abducted and possibly murdered.

Honestly, if she'd been hysterical and urging Desiree to come right away because something was obviously terribly, horribly wrong, then there would be a lot of discussion about why she immediately jumped to that conclusion.

The parents seemingly agreed that Kyron had trouble following directions. It is Kaine who assumed, based on his knowledge of Kyron and the situation, that Kyron's absence from the school bus could have been attributable to Kyron becoming confused about the day. Had something similar happened before? Or was Kyron known to confuse directions? These are questions worth asking, IMHO. In the process of asking these types of questions, the truth may out.

 

[AvalonBlue]

Whoa...I missed that one..and he didn't call police...hello!

I think this is being taken out of context based on what local (PDX) news and MSM have reported. I think that what is being misunderstood is that LE told Kaine that TH tried to arrange a MFH 6 months before and LE had just found out about it and told Kaine they felt it was a credible threat and that he and Baby K should get to a safe place.

There has been nothing reported to indicate that Kaine knew that 6 months before TH was trying to arrange a hit on him.

KH didn't know anything about the alleged hit until LE told him in late June.

There is enough that is totally wild and crazy and insane about this case without the 6 months ago alleged MFH plot being misunderstood as something KH knew about and chose to do nothing about. That is really insane -- and that, as far as everything I know, is NOT what happened.

NOT knocking or judging anyone here -- especially not you, Kappy50 -- it's just that I've been totally following this case and don't want to see things taken accidently and innocently out of context.:angel:

 

[gwenabob]

BUT (big big if coming) if TH were not involved wouldn't his routine already be shattered to pieces b/c his *seemingly* primary caregiver for 5 years is out of the home? And then what happens when he asks about her "oh, yeah, about that, we thought she had done something with you so I divorced her and got an RO."

^^^^^ I doubt it will happen (TH not being involved)^^^^^but at this point, if Kyron does come home and she isn't involved, that would be way, way awkward for the family, wouldn't it?:waitasec:

Well, there is still that little murder for hire plot....

 

[grandmaj]

With regard to the marriage issues of Desiree and Kaine. Have you ever heard the old saying "It all depends on whose ox is being gored"?

What it means is that two people will view the same thing in different ways depending on the depth of the viewer's self-interest.

So in this case Kaine had moved on he had a new relationship which will always make it easier to end a relationship. The old rebound. He was out of there. Desiree was pregnant and odd woman out. She felt betrayal, he had already started something new feeling the marriage was over, but maybe Desiree wasn't quite there yet.

I don't see it as anything other than two people viewing the event differently. Odd man out is going to feel that Betrayal. They are alone and hurt, while the other has someone else to make them feel good.

Two people to tango both were wrong IMO. I think this has little to do with the investigation...

It has been gossiped and rumored about and now it is out...... who cares which way it was or maybe it was somewhere in the middle and neither can let the pain of the break up let them see it in perfect light. It isn't going to help find Kyron.

It may point to the weaknesses of the people. Maybe it even points to Kaine being blind to what was really happening with Terri.... how sad for him now. Instead of it being a gradual less severe outcome his life is in turmoil finding out his wife had allegedly tried to take a hit out on him, at the same time his child is missing. He is out working with LE to find his child while his current wife, the one he chose over his child's mother is sitting there sexting.

I feel badly for both bio parents. Their guilt for not reacting or noticing or knowing is overwhelming. And at least at this point they have come to terms with each other enough to work together for Kyron's sake.

ETA Terri is accused of not doing that and I believe that. She is not going to be of any help with finding Kyron she already had moved on.

 

[RoughlyCollie]

But Kaine has said he sometimes cried when he had to go to Desiree's house. I think it was just a matter of a little boy not wanting to miss anything with either parent.

That's the rationalization. When I was a stepmother, my stepchildren used to get upset when they had to go home. The level of upset increased. Neither parent believed me when I told them I knew there was a big problem that was causing this. At the time, I thought they were taking the don't rock the boat path because it was easier for them. I divorced my husband over the situation (long story).

Sadly, it turned out I was correct.

 

[Adalena935]

BUT (big big if coming) if TH were not involved wouldn't his routine already be shattered to pieces b/c his *seemingly* primary caregiver for 5 years is out of the home? And then what happens when he asks about her "oh, yeah, about that, we thought she had done something with you so I divorced her and got an RO."

^^^^^ I doubt it will happen (TH not being involved)^^^^^but at this point, if Kyron does come home and she isn't involved, that would be way, way awkward for the family, wouldn't it?:waitasec:

No it won't because LE showed Kaine probable cause that Terri tried hiring a hit man to murder him. The DA has the witness. To the state his testimony is direct evidence. Very weighty.

I'd label Terri awkward given all that.

 

[RR0004]

Honestly, for some reason, it does seem important to me. From my understanding, DY has maintained that she didn't like TH, trust TH, and that Kyron wanted to live with her. However, when push came to shove she talked to TH and not KH, and from what I understand they were standing right next to each other and she knew this. While, I am unsure about whether or not it indicates anything...I just feel it is important to note. Maybe it is unimportant to others, or read differently by others. But for whatever reason (which I haven't been able to articulate) it does seem important to me.

Who better to yell at?

I understand what you're saying. I also wondered why she called TH...but when it was explained that they were friends I thought..."Oh that must be the reason." Now finding out that they weren't...well I really do think she wanted to direct all her anger at the person who still p$ssed her off.

 

[nosysw]

Someone will literally have to show me a law where TH could have been a "legal stepmom" Caregiver maybe, but nothing legal without adoption.

i agree- i think maybe it is being meant as stepmom- which becomes a title after a "legal" marriage, as opposed to when one is the girlfriend, or even domestic partner...

 

[OhighO]

A mother with a child is missing wants to know where her child is NOW. She is not thinking about who she likes or doesn't like, she wants to hear from the source.

BINGO!!

DY knew TH was going to the school that morning. DY wanted to come but had to work. I would also want to know any information from the one who had my child last straight from them.

 

[goatman]

Well, there is still that little murder for hire plot....

Well, that is certainly true, I guess I was focusing more on her interactions with Kyron. If, BIG IF, she is innocent and has treated Kyron like a mother/stepmother should, I think that he would be really really confused by her not being there when he came home.

As for the MFH, imo, we will have to see how that plays out.