2010.08.02 - DS's friends speak out.

[KopDog]

I agree with you. The court of public opinion does not matter. The only talking TH and DS should be doing and, according to LE, are doing is speaking with LE.

Thankfully unlike the court of public opinion, people do not have to prove their innocence in a Court of Law. The State has to prove people's guilt with evidence. So far what is known publically fuels speculation but has very little evidentiary value in a Court of Law.

IMO, as far as DeDe, I'm sure her attorney has adviced her that not only will she never win in the Court of Public Opinion but she needs to stay quiet to protect any future civil suits.

I agree with both of you. This thread is somewhat out of control with bizarre speculation. Slow news day.

 

[Aedrys]

Who said this? IIRC, the lawyer only said DS wasn't speaking to TH at present time, which is probably wise all things considered.

and we all know Terri didn't stop using her cellphone the minute she got a lawyer or we wouldn't know about her sexting. What is there to say that she hasn't been trying to contact DS? DS may not be answering, but if she's such a good friend, why cut off Terri completely and distance herself by getting friends to come out and say how innocent Dede is?

Let? It really isn't up to Terri, is it? If Terri is innocent there is nothing she can say to prevent any of this. If she doesn't know what happened to Kyron, there's nothing she can do. If DS in cahoots with Terri, she brought all this on herself. IIRC, Desiree and Kaine asserted that DS was advising TH. IMHO, DS has on her big girl panties. She knows what's going on with regard to the investigation. She chose to be involved insofar as she supported Terri in the aftermath of Kyron's abduction, Kaine filing for divorce, taking baby K, and Terri being served with the RO.

and yet it doesn't seem like Terri tried to take up for Dede at all. Terri has been totally silent, yet she's not going to speak up when a good friend is being interrogated and has her house and several properties searched? She just stays quiet and lets her friends be dragged into this? That's the problem I have. Terri should at least be shouting her innocence from the rooftops and not letting everyone else suffer for it. That's not right to me. So I say it is, in part, up to Terri to at least stand up for her friends if she isn't going to stand up for herself. Yet she won't do either of that.

Um...

Karen Gjerning, another friend said, "If DeDe felt that Terri had anything to do with this, DeDe would not be standing next to Terri."

Spicher's friends also revealed that she moved in with Terri Horman soon after Terri's husband, Kaine, moved out and filed for divorce.

Gjerning said, "Because DeDe is the friend that she is she stopped what she was doing and went out and stayed with her for 10 days."




Doesn't this sort of negate the argument that they didn't mention Terri? :waitasec:

I never said they didn't mention Terri, what I am saying is, the only opinion they have is about Dede. It's obvious this was done to declare Dede's innocence, but not Terri's. I'd think Terri would be justifiably angry about her supposed bff distancing herself from Terri. If Dede isn't guilty, who does that leave to be guilty? TH.

Has any reliable source come forth to verify DS has been granted immunity? Why is this assumption being passed around as fact?

That's because she didn't testify in front of the Grand Jury. It has been talked about, even with verified lawyers here, that that happens because the person wants immunity before they are willing to speak. She is supposed to go back in front of them in a few weeks - that tells me she needs something before she testifies, which would be immunity.

DS chose to stay with TH in the aftermath of Kyron's abduction. TH didn't force her to move into the Horman home for 10 days. Dede's friends said that Dede wouldn't stand beside Terri if Dede thought she was guilty. How is that sending a message or drawing a line in the sand?

To me, it's saying that Dede is NOT going to go down for what Terri did, that she was willing to stand by Terri if Terri is innocent, but she won't go to jail for any wrongdoing on Terri's part. Dede was willing to be the good friend when Terri needed one, but she's not willing to be that good friend in the jail cell with Terri. It very much so seems like a line drawn in the sand now. Makes me think those ten days were spent arguing over how they were going to handle what was happening, and they never agreed.

Respectfully, the assumptions in this post are baffling. There is nothing to indicate DS has it out for Terri. Upon retaining counsel, DS's lawyer could have said refrain from contact while LE are conducting their investigation. The leaps and gap filling presented as near fact are baffling.

Again, you are putting words in my mouth. I never said Dede has it out for Terri, just that Dede is going to protect Dede and no one else. Terri is alone in this if she harmed or killed Kyron. And yes, I would imagine Dede would listen to her lawyer when her own dad is a police officer. She's not going to do anything to draw anymore attention to herself now that she's talked to the police. Any way you slice it, she can't and possibly won't help Terri out in any way. There are no leaps and gaps here. I respect your right to think they're both innocent, so you should respect my right to believe otherwise.

All red is me.

 

[Patty G]

DeDe staying with Terri at the time of need after her Kaine took Baby K out of the house could be as simple as this song:


[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtGF2m102Wg[/ame]

 

[butterfly1978]

If DEDE was at work and just forgot her cell than why would her co-workers looking for her? If she was at work working as she claims her fellow workers would not have said she abruptly left or that they were calling her for lunch. They must have known she was not there.

 

[Emeralgem]

IMHO, the sentiment in this thread is why TH and DS won't speak publicly and are probably being strongly advised against speaking out in their defense. At this point, it doesn't matter what they say. If the court of public opinion has already convicted them, anything they say, the number of times they blink, if they smirk or not, their respective weight with regard to how much time they say they spent at the gym, the hitch in their voices, that their voices didn't hitch with guilt because they are sociopaths, that they were wearing sunglasses to cover their guilty, guilty eyes! will be used to further whatever opinions have already been solidified in the minds of those following this case.

IMHO, of course.

You got me pegged because that blinking thingy TMH had going on with her eyes in that first press conference was over the top, poor acting on her part....Made her look guilty as HELL-O especially since there was no blinking going on when I saw that "I wanna kill you" look she gave that reporter while she was trying to hid behind that woman in her attorney's building...No blinking going on when she was standing there waiting for that elevator either..Cold as ice..Ice water in those viens just like Desiree stated..JMO
And for DS to be smirking or smiling for the camera in anyway consdering she is also being investigated is beyond logical reasoning....A child is missing here not anything to be happy about.. Tto smirk over or smile to the cameras for..Unless she herself, has sociopathic tendencies..And just can't help herself...JMO

 

[ThoughtFox]

I looked at the video and see that the friends of DeDe's were not on the show and heard what was shared with the reporter. It sure would have been nice if they had a one on one with the friends.

There is a video with the friends:

Kyron's Step-Mom Still Not Talking

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=6736428n&tag=related;photovideo

 

[human]

IMO, DeDe was dragged into this strictly because she was TH"s friend. DeDe is being raked over the coals in the court of public opinion because she stood by her friend during a difficult time. TH has no control over what has happened to DeDe. Until this case, I have NEVER heard of anyone being thrown to the wolves for being a friend.

IMO, both TH and DeDe are smart to not try to defend themselves in the court of public opinion. The could be completely innocent and many would not believe them.

IMO, there is a lot of speculation that DeDe is asking for immunity but no proof. Actually, DeDe's attorny stated that no questions were asked of DeDe. The prosecutor would have had to "ask" a question for DeDe to plead the 5th to start the immunity process.

IMO, DeDe CANNOT talk to TH right now The minute DeDe was sworn in as a wintess before the Grand Jury, she was prohibited from having any contact with any potential witnesses or defendants in that Grand Jury case. IMO, DeDe being sworn in was the only way to stop DeDe from being TH"s friend and to stop the public comments of DeDe not cooperating in the best interest of Kyron by being supportive of TH.

IMO, TH has no reason to be afraid of DeDe. DeDe does not know anything relevant to Kyron's disappearance.

Dede has made herself a topic of suspicion. Remember that there were 3 people who had their homes searched (that we know of).

The woman who had the 6 hour polygraph, Dede and a third totally unknown person.

The only one that is being "raked over the coals" is Dede.

I live in the country and the section that I live on is 80 acres. Not my house only, but 15 other houses as well. There are trees so I cannot see anyone else. I feel that I have a real concept of 40 acres.

If this is a farm, are all 40 acres under cultivation? Then the area is pretty clear, even it is 40 acres. If not, then the areas that are gardens are not solid 40 acres of garden. Dede should be able to identify where she was working and what she was doing. She was not working randomly.



When people are working especially on grueling gardening work, they talk about when they are going to stop for lunch and breaks. And all gardening work is grueling. Standing and working at flower pots is hard, or working in beds is hard. I don't believe that she just happened to forget about a break.

 

[Donjeta]

They're brave ladies for daring to comment on this case as named persons, not as "friends" or "sources close to the case. I wonder if DS's lawyer convinced them to talk for her. I'm not putting much weight on their testimony though because it doesn't seem like they know anything beyond what they want to believe about their friend's good intentions and what DS has told them. It's quite possible that she would tell her friends the same story regardless of what she knows: "I don't know anything about Kyron's disappearance and I'm convinced Terri doesn't know either, I was where I said I was and it's just a misunderstanding."

 

[ThoughtFox]

you haven't heard a word from DeDe about anything?? You've heard from her lawyer, who by the way is hired to worry about his client..he is paid to have a one track mind. We haven't heard from TH about her abilbis either have we? In fact we haven't even heard from her lawyer. Not sure what you are referring to?

I would like to hear some sympathy for poor Kyron from either one of them.

:furious:

These attorneys should realize it would look better for their clients if they said something about Kyron instead of only covering their behinds.

 

[1Chump]

Not that I can find, just the comment by "eskeptic" on this news article:

Who is DeDe Spicher?

I don't think we have the name of the property owner.



In my opinion, DeDe chose to put herself at the center of this case. She could have supported Terri without moving into her house! Her own actions have thrown her into the spotlight, JMO.

Since when is moving in to help a friend a crime?

If TH is innocent, she has lost EVERYTHING. She lost Kyron and her baby daughter, her husband, her home, her friends, her reputation, her life has been destroyed. Everyone should be so lucky to have a friend like DeDe. DeDe did not allow a bunch of stranger and media speculations without any facts and/or evidence keep her from being a friend.

What about TH's two other friends who did not move into her house? IMO, they were dragged into the case also just for being her friends.

IMO, the only difference is DeDe "refused" to stop being TH's friend so her name was thrown to the public.

 

[Emeralgem]

DeDe staying with Terri at the time of need after her Kaine took Baby K out of the house could be as simple as this song:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtGF2m102Wg

LOL..I'm going to relate to something The Tams sang...

I believe the title is... What Kind Of Fool Do You Think I Am? JMO

 

[PoppyH]

Dede has made herself a topic of suspicion. Remember that there were 3 people who had their homes searched (that we know of).

The woman who had the 6 hour polygraph, Dede and a third totally unknown person.

The only one that is being "raked over the coals" is Dede.

I live in the country and the section that I live on is 80 acres. Not my house only, but 15 other houses as well. There are trees so I cannot see anyone else. I feel that I have a real concept of 40 acres.

If this is a farm, are all 40 acres under cultivation? Then the area is pretty clear, even it is 40 acres. If not, then the areas that are gardens are not solid 40 acres of garden. Dede should be able to identify where she was working and what she was doing. She was not working randomly.

I have seen Dede in pictures. I don't think that she would be working all day in the sun without lunch. She didn't forget that she was hungry.

When people are working especially on grueling gardening work, they talk about when they are going to stop for lunch and breaks. And all gardening work is grueling. Standing and working at flower pots is hard, or working in beds is hard. I don't believe that she just happened to forget about a break.

ITA, she is under the microscope because she caused LE's hinky meter to go off, not because she is Terri's friend, etc.something with this lady is just not adding up JMO

 

[STEADFAST]

There is a video with the friends:

Kyron's Step-Mom Still Not Talking

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=6736428n&tag=related;photovideo

I don't see the friends on this video. Is there a different video that has the friends talking, or did the friends not talk on camera? I guess I'm confused.

 

[BeanE]

Does anyone have a link reporting where Dede was working was a 40 acre farm? I know we have a comment from some unknown anonymous poster but do we have MSM confirmation?

hmmmm I saw it posted matter of factly several times and thought it was confirmed. I just searched though, and all is I can find is comments etc on the net - no articles are popping up with it.

 

[BeanE]

I don't see the friends on this video. Is there a different video that has the friends talking, or did the friends not talk on camera? I guess I'm confused.

There's a video with the friends in Today's News thread from the Early Show.

 

[Dee10]

ITA, she is under the microscope because she caused LE's hinky meter to go off, not because she is Terri's friend, etc.something with this lady is just not adding up JMO

I just went back to see what her lawyer said about her:

http://www.kgw.com/news/local/DeDe-...y-99252004-kyron-horman-missing-portland.html

However Spicher's attorney Chad Stavley said DeDe was gardening on the day Kyron disappeared and never left home.

"She's getting asked questions, she's getting treated frankly, like she's a suspect, when she's not," he said.

Stavley also told NBC Dateline Monday that Spicher had been, and planned to keep, cooperating with investigators. He said that she had already shared text messages and emails sent to and from Terri with detectives.

"I would be, frankly, surprised if Terri Horman did not eventually face charges in this case," Stavley said. "I'd be surprised if the indictment didn't come down."


Not saying I believe all of this mind you.

 

[human]

I don't see the friends on this video. Is there a different video that has the friends talking, or did the friends not talk on camera? I guess I'm confused.

Look to the right. There is a video that says that TH is still not talking or something like that

 

[human]

I just went back to see what her lawyer said about her:

http://www.kgw.com/news/local/DeDe-...y-99252004-kyron-horman-missing-portland.html

However Spicher's attorney Chad Stavley said DeDe was gardening on the day Kyron disappeared and never left home.

"She's getting asked questions, she's getting treated frankly, like she's a suspect, when she's not," he said.

Stavley also told NBC Dateline Monday that Spicher had been, and planned to keep, cooperating with investigators. He said that she had already shared text messages and emails sent to and from Terri with detectives.

"I would be, frankly, surprised if Terri Horman did not eventually face charges in this case," Stavley said. "I'd be surprised if the indictment didn't come down."


Not saying I believe all of this mind you.

She never left home . But yet she told the friends she was working. Whatever.

 

[grandmaj]

Does anyone have a link reporting where Dede was working was a 40 acre farm? I know we have a comment from some unknown anonymous poster but do we have MSM confirmation?

Bump....... asking again. I know there is a rumor out from some anonymous source.......it is rumor if we don't find sourced information about about some farm. Let's get a MSM link that states that. Everything I have read is she was gardening at a friend's house and she "abruptly left the house".

Do not spread rumors in this thread if we can't find a link.

 

[LindseyLou]

Lying....Withholding the truth....some people truly believe that you're not lying unless you've actually told a lie and that withholding the truth is not classified as a lie. Seems to me, they appear to be withholding whatever truth they have about that day and their whereabouts/timeline.

Why would either of them go through all this "withholding of the truth" if they had nothing to hide and are both innocent? Why are they staying silent and not even clearing the air to prove their innocence?
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