2010.08.02 - DS's friends speak out.

Other than baby K's presence in the daycare for approximately an hour, do we have any proof that TH was in the gym working out? Is it possible that TH gave the baby to Dede (either in the gym parking lot or some place else) and Dede checked in at the gym using TH's name and dropped the baby off in the daycare? I'm asking because that frees up another 45-60 minutes for TH that would be unaccounted for. I wonder if the daycare workers know TH enough that they would notice or remember if another woman dropped Baby K there.

Bean found the link where Kaine stated TH was in her gym clothes when he got home. Not that it means anything, because I have an office at home and when I am here, I am in "gym clothes," i.e. yoga pants, cotton shorts and T-shirts. However, if it was enough for Kaine to specify that she was in gym clothes, then I guess she had specific items she worked out in.
 
Bean found the link where Kaine stated TH was in her gym clothes when he got home. Not that it means anything, because I have an office at home and when I am here, I am in "gym clothes," i.e. yoga pants, cotton shorts and T-shirts. However, if it was enough for Kaine to specify that she was in gym clothes, then I guess she had specific items she worked out in.

I wonder what clothes she wore to the school, and if they ever found them?
 
That's true too. Since we don't know what exact time Dede left, they could have met somewhere before the gym, briefly.

Also, please change baby K's name in the quoted post of mine that you have. I changed it in my original post, but I can't change it on your quote of my post. I hope that made sense. I accidently had her full name in there by mistake.
Fixed that. ;)
 
Other than baby K's presence in the daycare for approximately an hour, do we have any proof that TH was in the gym working out? Is it possible that TH gave the baby to Dede (either in the gym parking lot or some place else) and Dede checked in at the gym using TH's name and dropped the baby off in the daycare? I'm asking because that frees up another 45-60 minutes for TH that would be unaccounted for. I wonder if the daycare workers know TH enough that they would notice or remember if another woman dropped Baby K there.

Did Kaine ever verify the gym in any of his Q&A sessions? I can't remember. If not, then we really don't have "proof" about the gym at all (that is coming from an unnamed source). So if the gym is unproven then really all speculation surrounding it is possible?????

TH was a gym rat - I am guessing she was a very familar face to all. That is the good news about this piece of the timeline - it is much easier to verify for law enforcement vs. the driving around aimlessly time.
 
Originally Posted by Aedrys

and we all know Terri didn't stop using her cellphone the minute she got a lawyer or we wouldn't know about her sexting. What is there to say that she hasn't been trying to contact DS? DS may not be answering, but if she's such a good friend, why cut off Terri completely and distance herself by getting friends to come out and say how innocent Dede is?

This is a series of assumptions not based on any facts. It is an assumption that TH has been trying to contact DS. It is an assumption that DS has cut off TH. It is an assumption that DS asked her friends to come to her defense.

and yet it doesn't seem like Terri tried to take up for Dede at all. Terri has been totally silent, yet she's not going to speak up when a good friend is being interrogated and has her house and several properties searched? She just stays quiet and lets her friends be dragged into this? That's the problem I have. Terri should at least be shouting her innocence from the rooftops and not letting everyone else suffer for it. That's not right to me. So I say it is, in part, up to Terri to at least stand up for her friends if she isn't going to stand up for herself. Yet she won't do either of that. She just stays quiet and lets her friends be dragged into this? That's the problem I have.

Terri has been silent. Period. She hasn't come to her own defense. At this point, I don't expect her to come to anyone else's defense. At this point, even if she shouted her innocence from the rooftops, most people would diagnose her with some condition that would negate her proclamation of innocence and would, instead, be used as further proof of her guilt (re: NPD, sociopath, MBP, etc.).

And what of Desiree and Kaine's statements about DS and her not being cooperative, advising TH in ways that were not helpful to the investigation? Is it possible that DS told TH to stop talking?

I never said they didn't mention Terri,

In the post to which I was responding, you said:

And now, Dede has her friends coming out and saying Dede is as pure as the driven snow, but not mentioning TH even once. The reporter didn't ask them about TH at all, just Dede? I find that hard to believe.

what I am saying is, the only opinion they have is about Dede. It's obvious this was done to declare Dede's innocence, but not Terri's. I'd think Terri would be justifiably angry about her supposed bff distancing herself from Terri. If Dede isn't guilty, who does that leave to be guilty? TH.

Actually, they have an opinion about Terri via their knowledge of Dede:

Karen Gjerning, another friend said, "If DeDe felt that Terri had anything to do with this, DeDe would not be standing next to Terri."

That's because she didn't testify in front of the Grand Jury. It has been talked about, even with verified lawyers here, that that happens because the person wants immunity before they are willing to speak. She is supposed to go back in front of them in a few weeks - that tells me she needs something before she testifies, which would be immunity.

The lawyers were speculating. It is not a proven fact that DS has requested or has been granted immunity. There could be other reasons DS didn't testify, immunity is only one of them.

To me, it's saying that Dede is NOT going to go down for what Terri did, that she was willing to stand by Terri if Terri is innocent, but she won't go to jail for any wrongdoing on Terri's part. Dede was willing to be the good friend when Terri needed one, but she's not willing to be that good friend in the jail cell with Terri. It very much so seems like a line drawn in the sand now. Makes me think those ten days were spent arguing over how they were going to handle what was happening, and they never agreed.

These are assumptions about what may or may not have gone on, with very little or no facts to back up those assumptions. Kaine and Desiree said Dede was advising Terri, not vice versa.

Again, you are putting words in my mouth. I never said Dede has it out for Terri, just that Dede is going to protect Dede and no one else.

That deduction and choice of words was as a result of this statement with periodic emphasis:

If I were Terri, I'd be terrified. Dede sounds like someone you just. don't. cross.

Terri is alone in this if she harmed or killed Kyron. And yes, I would imagine Dede would listen to her lawyer when her own dad is a police officer. She's not going to do anything to draw anymore attention to herself now that she's talked to the police. Any way you slice it, she can't and possibly won't help Terri out in any way. There are no leaps and gaps here. I respect your right to think they're both innocent, so you should respect my right to believe otherwise.
All red is me.

How is debating an opinion not your respecting your right to believe whatever you want to believe? I'm respectfully debating your opinion, not resorting to personal attacks or improper language. On a discussion board, there is discussion. I'm just discussing and debating the complexities of this case and the opinions expressed about it.
 
Other than baby K's presence in the daycare for approximately an hour, do we have any proof that TH was in the gym working out? Is it possible that TH gave the baby to Dede (either in the gym parking lot or some place else) and Dede checked in at the gym using TH's name and dropped the baby off in the daycare? I'm asking because that frees up another 45-60 minutes for TH that would be unaccounted for. I wonder if the daycare workers know TH enough that they would notice or remember if another woman dropped Baby K there.

Has it actually been confirmed that baby K was at the gym daycare? She may have been but neither of these articles that we've used as sources for Terri's timeline actually spell that out in as many words. S


http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Horman-kyron-missing-gaps-portland-kiara-99181214.html
http://www.katu.com/news/local/99151549.html

I thought she might have left the baby with DS but apparently it's not the story for either one of them.
 
I don't think I have ever read she was gardening at a "friends" house. This is what I have read:

Detectives learned that Spicher, who shares Terri Horman's passion for fitness and gardening, was doing gardening work for a Northwest Portland homeowner on June 4. She abruptly left the house about 11:30 a.m. and didn't return until an hour to 90 minutes later.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/investigators_put_pressure_on.html

Duly noted not a friend or has not been reported as such. Next paragraph read...

The person who owns the house, who was cooperating with investigators, told them she called Spicher on her cell phone but she didn't answer, the source told KGW. A person who was working with Spicher, who was also cooperating with investigators, told them of trying to unsuccessfully find Spicher. Both people have told investigators they have no idea where Spicher was during that period.

FARM =Rumor
 
Question.. Did she go to her regular gym that day or did she go to another gym?Also, do both gyms have a day care and IF she used a gym she doesn't frequent often, would they even know her and baby K for certain.?
 
Duly noted not a friend or has not been reported as such. Next paragraph read...

The person who owns the house, who was cooperating with investigators, told them she called Spicher on her cell phone but she didn't answer, the source told KGW. A person who was working with Spicher, who was also cooperating with investigators, told them of trying to unsuccessfully find Spicher. Both people have told investigators they have no idea where Spicher was during that period.

FARM =Rumor

I noticed that too - every article says "homeowner" not "farmer." ;)

That fits the idea that a landscaper works near a home not out in the field, so an absence of even a short time would be duly noted, and it seems that it was.
 
Im soooo glad I don't know Terri in any way. Why Desiree and Kaine feel all who do should step forward defies logic....who in their right mind wants to be dragged through the mud and accused of being involved in a murder/abduction OF A CHILD or anyone? :shocked2: De's lucky she can afford a crim defense attorney, not many of us can. How about the promise of anonymity to anyone coming forward???
 
Question.. Did she go to her regular gym that day or did she go to another gym?Also, do both gyms have a day care and IF she used a gym she doesn't frequent often, would they even know her and baby K for certain.?

Yeah, I heard she went to another gym other than the usual, that is kinda bizarre, I wonder what gym Dede usually went to, since she shared Terris love of fitness.
 
Yeah, I heard she went to another gym other than the usual, that is kinda bizarre, I wonder what gym Dede usually went to, since she shared Terris love of fitness.

Is TH's gym part of a chain with multiple locations? If so, I wish we could know how often she went to another location.

If baby K had not been feeling completely ok, why take her to an unfamiliar gym's daycare? It just seems like an additional stress for a child who's not feeling 100 percent. Thanks to the news links Donjeta provided above, I can see that the MSM articles regarding timeline do not expressly state that baby K was in the gym daycare, but where else would she be if TH was supposedly there?
 
no lunch? We've seen Dede and read her food issues.

SBM

Can I just say that I find that a (really) snarky post? I am not skinny - wear a size 18, as a matter of fact. I don't eat a lot. I skip meals daily. I don't eat lunch at work most of the time...

To say what you did is, in my opinion, just mean. Yes, she's fat. So am I. I am pretty physically active (hold a blackbelt, have 125 skydives, ride a thoroughbred horse 5x weekly, and am a student nurse on my feet 12 hours a day). In my horse show clothes, I resemble tweedledee to an alarming degree. And I eat 1x a day. My day starts about 4:30 am. Breakfast is usually coffee, no lunch, and dinner is had after everything else is done - usually around 6-7 pm. So being fat does not mean eating all the time; nor does skipping a meal on a 40 acre farm mean that someone is involved with a kidnapping/murder.

Sorry if I've offended you. And I do mean that sincerely. But your post had nothing to do with anything, and was just mean. Thanks for understanding.

Best-
Herding Cats
 
Im soooo glad I don't know Terri in any way. Why Desiree and Kaine feel all who do should step forward defies logic....who in their right mind wants to be dragged through the mud and accused of being involved in a murder/abduction OF A CHILD or anyone? :shocked2: De's lucky she can afford a crim defense attorney, not many of us can. How about the promise of anonymity to anyone coming forward???

Well, yes. I sure wouldn't want to be DS or MC right now. But there have likely been many, many other people LE has interviewed who know Terri - for instance, the teacher, the principle, other classroom volunteers, Terri's parents, Terri's exes, etc., who aren't being drug through the mud. It's only the ones whose stories don't add up who are being scrutinized. Also, it can't be denied that the media has to find it a juicy enough story for the people to make the news. Stuff like sexting & MFH has got to be The Golden Egg for MSM. JMO.
 

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