2010.08.05 Dominic Casey emails

[kwmred]

I have my grandson with me, so haven't been able to read all of the posts in this thread. Just wondering... has anyone addressed those screen caps of the personal message between Murt and ?????

When reading the emails, I couldn't help thinking that DC must have spent a lot of time reading at WS as well as many other forums to obtain information.

 

[seagull65]

Whoever Jamil Spencer is, he does not like Sgt. John Allen. See pg. 88 of the linked doc.

And who is Luke?


Sorry I am asking so many questions. Some of these folks may be obvious, I am just not able to place them right now.

Just started reading the emails myself. I was glad to see that Dominic Casey seems pretty normal and professional, just listening to the psychics' tips in case they can help. Seems reasonable as a PI trying to help the grandparents find their missing granddaughter that he may have had someone watching JG a bit in Athens. Can't really fault him for that (in case Caylee was out there). And if the A's were interested in the psychic tips at all, he would follow up on those because he's working for them.

Luke appears to be Ginny Lucas's nickname, isn't it?

I know, that was pretty weird. One of the psychics offering tips says Det. Allen called his workplace and he was fired? What in the world? That would certainly be a shame if that happened.

Wonder if a dancer from Dancers Royale really was murdered like these psychics thought, also the young man in his twenties. I always personally wondered if anyone else's body had been transported in Casey's car (not necessarily by Casey), I will freak if it turns out to be true.

 

[LambChop]

Just started reading the emails myself. I was glad to see that Dominic Casey seems pretty normal and professional, just listening to the psychics' tips in case they can help. Seems reasonable as a PI trying to help the grandparents find their missing granddaughter that he may have had someone watching JG a bit in Athens. Can't really fault him for that (in case Caylee was out there).

Luke appears to be Ginny Lucas's nickname.

I know, that was pretty weird. One of the psychics offering tips says Det. Allen called his workplace and he was fired? What in the world? That would certainly be a shame if that happened.

Wonder if a dancer from Dancers Royale really was murdered like these psychics thought, also the young man in his twenties. I always personally wondered if anyone else's body had been transported in Casey's car (not necessarily by Casey), I will freak if it turns out to be true.

Oh, you need to read much further. Nothing at all professional or normal about DC's private investigator skills. He knows NOTHING about the law, nothing. The worst part is he puts his floating theories in email form. Talk about whoppers. Luke is another psychic and is not Ginny. jmo

 

[seagull65]

While some people find the idea of "psychic tips" eccentric or ridiculous, and might find it eccentric that the private investigator for the family would have any relationship with these psychics or took their tips, we have to remember that some people do believe some people may be kind of intuitive, and even people who are not necessarily believers in that sort of thing might be willing to check out psychic tips just in case. It's like, why not, what is there to lose, especially when you have no other leads? And I think if I were the A family or DC I would also appreciate these people who were trying to be helpful. I could imagine, I don't think I would turn away ANY kind of tip, psychic or otherwise, if a loved one of mine was missing. I really don't think I would. MOO

 

[logicalgirl]

While some people find the idea of "psychic tips" eccentric or ridiculous, and might find it eccentric that the private investigator for the family would have any relationship with these psychics or took their tips, we have to remember that some people do believe some people may be kind of intuitive, and even people who are not necessarily believers in that sort of thing might be willing to check out psychic tips just in case. It's like, why not, what is there to lose, especially when you have no other leads? And I think if I were the A family or DC I would also appreciate these people who were trying to be helpful. I could imagine, I don't think I would turn away ANY kind of tip, psychic or otherwise, if a loved one of mine was missing. I really don't think I would. MOO

Yes, I can understand the idea of turning to a psychic if all else has failed - but keep reading these emails between DC and Luke or Ginny - do you really want your head and your heart jerked around with the kind of slimy rubbish these three were cooking up? Would you come out of it a sane person?:waitasec:

 

[seagull65]

Oh, you need to read much further. Nothing at all professional or normal about DC's private investigator skills. He knows NOTHING about the law, nothing. The worst part is he puts his floating theories in email form. Talk about whoppers. Luke is another psychic and is not Ginny. jmo

I could be wrong but to me DC just seems like a harmless, rather nice fellow, doing private investigation for the family, trying to follow up on any kind of tips he receives. He's always been torn apart so much here and elsewhere, I was surprised to see that (at least so far) his emails don't appear improper or anything like it. He appears rather sweet, maybe a bit overwhelmed and exhausted, but trying to do the right thing.

Who knows for sure whether any of his theories are correct or not? But he didn't make any formal accusations as far as I know, he states them only as theories, gut feelings, etc doesn't he? At least from what I've seen. Not like Padilla stating things as facts, for example.

I thought Ginny was referring to herself as Luke and her husband as Mr. Luke (from Lucas). It was one of the other people in the group with the name Luke? OK. It is a bit confusing with the emails all repeated over and over and end on end. Once again, the number of pages of documents released is TOTALLY inflated. For example, in the emails we see the same emails over and over endlessly. Why does this always happen? four hundred pages in and it seems like it's been maybe only about 10 different emails! LOL

 

[The World According]

'Nuff said there.

This says almost everything you need to know about CA's relationship with KC, IMO. This is from Rick Plesea's interview;

“And the fact that you cover it up that she tried to steal from mom and dad.” And, and then Cindy goes, “Oh, she wrote, she only stole fifty bucks.” And I said, I wrote her back and I said, “No, no.” I said, “Mom told me it’s three hundred and fifty-four dollars from Dad’s account, that’s an account that couldn’t, couldn’t be got into.” And uh, I said, “You were called on it because Mom called and yelled at you and told you to do something with Casey.



She only stole 50 bucks with a bad check. :loser: How can you make an excuse for your kid stealing anything from an account dedicated to her grandfather's nursing home care? No wonder KC is as she is. :shakehead:

I'm sure that she just thought the police would believe her BS because everybody else had. :banghead:

I am with you one hundred percent. My favorite poem is Children Live What They Learn. The author says it much more eloquently than, if you grow up Anthony, with people lying,cheating, having no respect for themselves or others, mean , hateful examples...you may just become a sociopath...that would be how I put it.
I often say Casey is Cindy Jr. in stripper boots.

Children Learn What They Live
By Dorothy Law Nolte, Ph.D.


If children live with criticism, they learn to condemn.
If children live with hostility, they learn to fight.
If children live with fear, they learn to be apprehensive.
If children live with pity, they learn to feel sorry for themselves.
If children live with ridicule, they learn to feel shy.
If children live with jealousy, they learn to feel envy.
If children live with shame, they learn to feel guilty.
If children live with encouragement, they learn confidence.
If children live with tolerance, they learn patience.
If children live with praise, they learn appreciation.
If children live with acceptance, they learn to love.
If children live with approval, they learn to like themselves.
If children live with recognition, they learn it is good to have a goal.
If children live with sharing, they learn generosity.
If children live with honesty, they learn truthfulness.
If children live with fairness, they learn justice.
If children live with kindness and consideration, they learn respect.
If children live with security, they learn to have faith in themselves and in those about them.
If children live with friendliness, they learn the world is a nice place in which to live.

1972 by Dorothy Law Nolte

 

[seagull65]

Where did he get the idea KC and AH lived in a house in Oviedo? I remember the first of Dom's docs released we couldn't figure out why they were out in Oviedo. AHA IIRC

But wasn't this quite early in the case that he was speculating about this? I remember when we were trying to figure out the same kind of thing here, before we knew it was actually Troy, Lauren, Amy etc who had lived in the house?

 

[pip]

DC and the 'psychics' are nothing more than spin doctors hired to concoct an alternate reality for the A camp and Team Baez to save Casey. They jumped onboard this internationally publicized vehicle only to forge a name for themselves and drum up business. Money and noteriety. The bare naked truth of who-dunnit is clear as day, always has been. The only way out for Casey is to SPIN REALITY with a team of spin doctors. Create an alternate explanation. Baffle the public with BS.

Major Fail.

The scenario you suggest, Seagull, that in desperation one may turn to a psychic for help when all else has failed, is entirely different than the transparent agenda at hand here.

Respectfully, JMO.

 

[beach]

While some people find the idea of "psychic tips" eccentric or ridiculous, and might find it eccentric that the private investigator for the family would have any relationship with these psychics or took their tips, we have to remember that some people do believe some people may be kind of intuitive, and even people who are not necessarily believers in that sort of thing might be willing to check out psychic tips just in case. It's like, why not, what is there to lose, especially when you have no other leads? And I think if I were the A family or DC I would also appreciate these people who were trying to be helpful. I could imagine, I don't think I would turn away ANY kind of tip, psychic or otherwise, if a loved one of mine was missing. I really don't think I would. MOO

Seagull, I don't discount legitimate psychics (no, that is not an oxymoron in my opinon) and I openly expressed that a couple of days ago in my post [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5489147&postcount=196"]here[/ame]. However, these people are concocting stories...completely making up scenarios to try to create a defense theory in the name of reasonable doubt. It is a complete travesty and I wish every single one of them could be held criminally liable. Their actions have done absolutely nothing BUT destroy more lives.

I ran across the abridged version WFTV posted (only 14 pdf pages) of some of the more outrageous stories they concocted. I bet both Luke & DC need therapy for all the muscles they pulled while stretching so hard.

 

[seagull65]

Yet again, someone brilliantly describes my exact reaction - that's what I felt but couldn't describe it so well. Good lord the things they came up with, which were based on absolutely nothing - or even worse, just imaginations running wild. Dead strippers, drug rings, private planes, kidnappings, etc!!

No intelligent adult would think they could surmise a family's dynamics as specifically as they seemed to think they could - so and so got mad, then went here, then did this, then did that, etc. I mean I really CANNOT believe these are adults thinking this way. What's that principle called - occam's razor?? Come on!!

Horace, LOL Someone who agrees with your opinions is brilliant and "no intelligent adult" could think otherwise? LOL There couldn't possibly have been drug business through Fusian? Caylee couldn't possibly have been kidnapped? How do you know? Give me a break man, please!

 

[seagull65]

Seagull, I don't discount legitimate psychics (no, that is not an oxymoron in my opinon) and I openly expressed that a couple of days ago in my post here. However, these people are concocting stories...completely making up scenarios to try to create a defense theory in the name of reasonable doubt. It is a complete travesty and I wish every single one of them could be held criminally liable. Their actions have done absolutely nothing BUT destroy more lives.

I ran across the abridged version WFTV posted (only 14 pdf pages) of some of the more outrageous stories they concocted. I bet both Luke & DC need therapy for all the muscles they pulled while stretching so hard.

Interesting if WFTV posted an abridged version of some of the "more outrageous stories".....
Why would psychics in another part of the country want to "create a defense theory"? I don't understand what anyone thinks their motivation would be. Don't you just think these people were offering tips or impressions they thought they'd had in case it could help the search? Don't we all just take their tips and impressions with a grain of salt but assuming there was no malicious intent and no defense-biased intent? Why would there be?

 

[LambChop]

I could be wrong but to me DC just seems like a harmless, rather nice fellow, doing private investigation for the family, trying to follow up on any kind of tips he receives. He's always been torn apart so much here and elsewhere, I was surprised to see that (at least so far) his emails don't appear improper or anything like it. He appears rather sweet, maybe a bit overwhelmed and exhausted, but trying to do the right thing.

Who knows for sure whether any of his theories are correct or not? But he didn't make any formal accusations as far as I know, he states them only as theories, gut feelings, etc doesn't he? At least from what I've seen. Not like Padilla stating things as facts, for example.

I thought Ginny was referring to herself as Luke and her husband as Mr. Luke (from Lucas). It was one of the other people in the group with the name Luke? OK. It is a bit confusing with the emails all repeated over and over and end on end. Once again, the number of pages of documents released is TOTALLY inflated. For example, in the emails we see the same emails over and over endlessly. Why does this always happen? four hundred pages in and it seems like it's been maybe only about 10 different emails! LOL

It is the whole copy of the email itself. When you reply to another's email all your prior emails are attached. That is why it is repeating.

With all due respect private investigators are licensed by their respective states and are suppose to follow certain guidelines none of which include making up wild stories such was Caylee being flown to PR, then on to Columbia, etc. This was never a fact and this appears to be based on theories that CA, herself, was making up when she brought up to DC that Amy and RM had flown to PR and it seemed fishy. DC clearly was taking direction from CA instead of what he should have been doing and that is investigating. If he had done a proper investigation the road would have lead right back to KC. DC knew this would not make CA happy so did whatever CA wanted and that is why we see all those crazy theories. He broke a number one rule of an investigator. He got personally involved with his client and let her lead the investigation in the wrong direction. Investigators give you the truth of their findings whether you want to hear it or not (just like LE). DC is not an investigator, he is someone who follows directions well. BIG DIFFERENCE.

If CA wanted the truth all she had to do was ask her daughter while she was out on bail. Instead the A's have accused everyone who ever knew KC of some type of involvment. If KC told her mother the truth, they would have no reason to guess. jmo

 

[beach]

I could be wrong but to me DC just seems like a harmless, rather nice fellow, doing private investigation for the family, trying to follow up on any kind of tips he receives. He's always been torn apart so much here and elsewhere, I was surprised to see that (at least so far) his emails don't appear improper or anything like it. He appears rather sweet, maybe a bit overwhelmed and exhausted, but trying to do the right thing.

Who knows for sure whether any of his theories are correct or not? But he didn't make any formal accusations as far as I know, he states them only as theories, gut feelings, etc doesn't he? At least from what I've seen. Not like Padilla stating things as facts, for example.

I thought Ginny was referring to herself as Luke and her husband as Mr. Luke (from Lucas). It was one of the other people in the group with the name Luke? OK. It is a bit confusing with the emails all repeated over and over and end on end. Once again, the number of pages of documents released is TOTALLY inflated. For example, in the emails we see the same emails over and over endlessly. Why does this always happen? four hundred pages in and it seems like it's been maybe only about 10 different emails! LOL

BBM

Well, I would guess that would depend on how you define "improper" and "formal accusations"


For your consideration:

Luke,
Geraldo is on his way to Puerto Rico, Jose Baez is DEMANDING that I provide all information
that I have, obviously to sell to Geraldo . . . so, I want to play a trick on him . come
up with a wild herring many hundreds of miles away from Isabela . . . can you help? . . .
Dominic
Dominic Casey, Private Investigator​

D&A Investigations, Inc.


Luke's reply:

How about Colombia or Venezuela? We can find several places with names that match the
locations we have been searching - even Mexico ( Santa Rosalia Guadalajara, Mexico) -
although I'd rather see Geraldo in Venezuela!
(Humacao/Buena Vista PRo The Villas at Palmas). Tell me how you want the information to pass to Dipsh*t and I'll do it!​

Luke

Dominic:

Luke, Venezuela is good with me . . . send me some good to nail them both. . and how
about this one? Baez received ($200,000 directly to him) from 20/20 for the show a couple of​

weeks back, attorneys get disbarred for this . . . Dominic

Luke's response:

Okay - something like this - Casey witnessed a major drug transaction( PR Mob with ties to​

Fusian and Bruce Lam) with Morales etc at Chatt's townhouse - it went bad - one of the persons involved was killed (girl from club?) - Casey warned that Caylee will be harmed if she talks. They take Caylee - she is flown (private jet from Orlando Exec Airport) to San Juan PR and is held there until other plans are made to take her out of the country to Colombia. She is then taken across the border into Venezuela to Puerto Santa Rosa (near Puerto Cumarebo) knowing there will be no extradition or investigation possible due to the prevailing diplomatic situation. You may have to fill in the timelines. Ya know - doesn't seem too far fetched does it?

Luke​

 

[seagull65]

Well, don't you think that's a bias on your part, Lambchop?

I mean, if my grandchild had been living with people in a townhome and then those people all traveled to PR concurrent with my grandchild going missing, I'd be on the first plane over there to maybe speak to those people's families to let them know my grandchild had gone missing, had they seen her, was there some misunderstanding along the way, could my flaky daughter have left my grandchild with any of these friends or asked them to hide her due to a custody dispute, etc. Is it unreasonable for Cindy to have wanted the people who'd been around Caylee investigated? Not at all, IMO. That seems completely routine.

I also get so tired of people saying (just people in general, I don't know if you have done this) that Cindy A supposedly "threw people under the bus", when in reality she had such restraint about making accusations toward any of the young people who had been around Caylee. Most families would have been much more accusatory I think. They would have been yelling for an investigation into these people. For example, RG said much worse things about the A's than Cindy A ever said about anyone in this case, and she's the one who had a missing grandchild. IMO

 

[beach]

Interesting if WFTV posted an abridged version of some of the "more outrageous stories".....
Why would psychics in another part of the country want to "create a defense theory"? I don't understand what anyone thinks their motivation would be. Don't you just think these people were offering tips or impressions they thought they'd had in case it could help the search? Don't we all just take their tips and impressions with a grain of salt but assuming there was no malicious intent and no defense-biased intent? Why would there be?

BBM

Funny you should ask. Because thoughout the emails you will run across it, (I believe it is somewhere around the Jan. 9 emails....maybe a bit after) Luke expresses his dismay that Ginette Lucas has succumbed to "EGO" (emphasis his, not mine) and the lure of the media exposure.

 

[LambChop]

Psychics don't need to guess. They tell you how they feel. This clearly was "making up stories". The motivation, well we are all on here talking about this case now aren't we. What is our motivation? We all want to be right with our opinions. Most of us want the right person to pay for the crime and not get innocent people involved, such as all of KC's friends, TES, Mr. Kronk, and any average person who may have walked their dog on Surburban Drive. We all see what has been represented in discovery. Does not take a rocket scientist to figure out who actually "done it". DC has an obligation to conduct a factual investigation, it is why he has to be bonded. You can't just accuse innocent people of a crime and then try to make up the evidence. DC was 100% wrong and I would hope the State of Florida has pulled his license to EVER practice again.

If my name were in those emails with DC making up a theory as to why I should be considered a suspect I'd be call 1-800-LAWYER.

 

[whiteangora]

Well, don't you think that's a bias on your part, Lambchop?

I mean, if my grandchild had been living with people in a townhome and then those people all traveled to PR concurrent with my grandchild going missing, I'd be on the first plane over there to maybe speak to those people's families to let them know my grandchild had gone missing, had they seen her, was there some misunderstanding along the way, could my flaky daughter have left my grandchild with any of these friends or asked them to hide her due to a custody dispute, etc. Is it unreasonable for Cindy to have wanted the people who'd been around Caylee investigated? Not at all, IMO. That seems completely routine.

I also get so tired of people saying (just people in general, I don't know if you have done this) that Cindy A supposedly "threw people under the bus", when in reality she had such restraint about making accusations toward any of the young people who had been around Caylee. Most families would have been much more accusatory I think. They would have been yelling for an investigation into these people. For example, RG said much worse things about the A's than Cindy A ever said about anyone in this case, and she's the one who had a missing grandchild. IMO

I do not see anything from Lambchop quoted ..........how am I supposed to know what is being disagreed with? Should I have to search and guess?

 

[seagull65]

Beach, like I stated in my post, I'm talking about what I'd read so far. I haven't read this one yet. Looks like Ginny and DC joking about feeding Baez false info because they think he's just a media hound trying to profit by selling an interview to Geraldo.

Do you know if they ever made any actual accusations of any of this? I'm not aware of any such accusations being made formally. Seems like we would have heard about it. But who knows?

I mean if I were them I would never even joke about such a thing in case my email was taken out of context or got in the wrong hands, but they might not have been thinking of their emails going public at the time, might have just thought this was between them? And it looks like at the time they suspected something like that might have happened, maybe due to the rumors of drugs, the unidentified stain, etc. I'm not aware of them going public with any accusation to this effect, but I could have missed it.

 

[beach]

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I also get so tired of people saying (just people in general, I don't know if you have done this) that Cindy A supposedly "threw people under the bus", when in reality she had such restraint about making accusations toward any of the young people who had been around Caylee. Most families would have been much more accusatory I think. They would have been yelling for an investigation into these people. For example, RG said much worse things about the A's than Cindy A ever said about anyone in this case, and she's the one who had a missing grandchild. IMO

*snipped*

You have got to be kidding us, right? I mean seriously. I have defended CA to some extent on this thread because I feel she was exploited by these scumbags, but she accused literally EVERYONE Casey ever knew and some she even didn't know.


That said, I certainly respect your right to your own opinion. We're just 180 degrees apart.