2010.08.05 Dominic Casey emails

[Numbers]

Well, don't you think that's a bias on your part, Lambchop?

I mean, if my grandchild had been living with people in a townhome and then those people all traveled to PR concurrent with my grandchild going missing, I'd be on the first plane over there to maybe speak to those people's families to let them know my grandchild had gone missing, had they seen her, was there some misunderstanding along the way, could my flaky daughter have left my grandchild with any of these friends or asked them to hide her due to a custody dispute, etc. Is it unreasonable for Cindy to have wanted the people who'd been around Caylee investigated? Not at all, IMO. That seems completely routine.

I also get so tired of people saying (just people in general, I don't know if you have done this) that Cindy A supposedly "threw people under the bus", when in reality she had such restraint about making accusations toward any of the young people who had been around Caylee. Most families would have been much more accusatory I think. They would have been yelling for an investigation into these people. For example, RG said much worse things about the A's than Cindy A ever said about anyone in this case, and she's the one who had a missing grandchild. IMO

Red to address.

Amy went to PR on July 8. Others went about the same time, give or take a day.

Caylee went missing June 15 or 16, depending on who you believe.

These events are not concurrent.

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/casey-anthony-murder-trial/timeline-and-discovery/

 

[LambChop]

Well, don't you think that's a bias on your part, Lambchop?

I mean, if my grandchild had been living with people in a townhome and then those people all traveled to PR concurrent with my grandchild going missing, I'd be on the first plane over there to maybe speak to those people's families to let them know my grandchild had gone missing, had they seen her, was there some misunderstanding along the way, could my flaky daughter have left my grandchild with any of these friends or asked them to hide her due to a custody dispute, etc. Is it unreasonable for Cindy to have wanted the people who'd been around Caylee investigated? Not at all, IMO. That seems completely routine.

I also get so tired of people saying (just people in general, I don't know if you have done this) that Cindy A supposedly "threw people under the bus", when in reality she had such restraint about making accusations toward any of the young people who had been around Caylee. Most families would have been much more accusatory I think. They would have been yelling for an investigation into these people. For example, RG said much worse things about the A's than Cindy A ever said about anyone in this case, and she's the one who had a missing grandchild. IMO

Well, I do have grandchildren and if my daughter had been arrested because she lied about her child I would be talking with the police. I would also be talking to my daughter, "where's the baby?". I would not be telling the police they need to check into all her friends, etc. when her car trunk smells like a dead body. CA had both the FBI and local police plus national media. LE tried to tell her it did not look good regarding her daughter and she refused to listen. CA knows KC, knows what she was capable of, or she would not have been discussing getting custody of the child. That is a fact reported by her co-workers. If we look at just the facts and throw out the theories we only can come to one conclusion. KC was responsible for her child and ultimately the final outcome. There is no other conclusion. jmo

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

This is not the thread to go into detail about each individual accusation made against each of Casey's ex-friends so I won't go there. But I will address the damage that they have caused to RK, AH, RG and many others who have had all their personal information made public. These "investigations" were not harmless! Remember that!
And if one thinks these investigations were reasonable and justified, then I ask you ~ What did they find? n . o . t . h . i . n . g . . .
The proof is in the pudding. :furious:

 

[LambChop]

FYI: My husband was a PI for 20 years and would NEVER have acted in such an irresponsible manner. He was always very professional. He worked for many attorneys and did some investigations for private citizens. He rarely took domestics because he would tell them if they felt their spouse was cheating to get a good attorney that paying him was a waste of money. That is integrity. DC has none. PI's have a code of ethics. To put such theories in written form shows DC is immature, unprofessional and inexperienced. Certainly giving PI's everywhere a bad name. jmo

 

[seagull65]

Psychics don't need to guess. They tell you how they feel. This clearly was "making up stories". The motivation, well we are all on here talking about this case now aren't we. What is our motivation? We all want to be right with our opinions. Most of us want the right person to pay for the crime and not get innocent people involved, such as all of KC's friends, TES, Mr. Kronk, and any average person who may have walked their dog on Surburban Drive. We all see what has been represented in discovery. Does not take a rocket scientist to figure out who actually "done it". DC has an obligation to conduct a factual investigation, it is why he has to be bonded. You can't just accuse innocent people of a crime and then try to make up the evidence. DC was 100% wrong and I would hope the State of Florida has pulled his license to EVER practice again.

If my name were in those emails with DC making up a theory as to why I should be considered a suspect I'd be call 1-800-LAWYER.

If you have it handy, could you post the link to where DC filed an accusation toward a suspect with police? Thanks (Maybe I just haven't gotten to those docs yet, it looks like in the one posted above they were joking about feeding Baez baloney because they thought he was kind of being a media hound for profit or something rather than helping to find Caylee, but I'm not sure. If I were them I wouldn't have done that, but maybe they didn't, maybe it didn't go beyond their joking in the email to each other?)

Why the comments like "most of us want the right person to pay for the crime and not get innocent people involved like all of KC's friends, TES, Mr. Kronk," etc. Why wouldn't KC's friends that she'd had Caylee around prior to Caylee's disappearance be investigated, or Kronk? Selectively not investigating these people would seem pretty strange in the case of a missing/murdered child. Why the insulting terms toward other board users like the above and "it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out" etc. You don't think people who are trying to wait until the trial to decide if Casey is actually guilty or not, trying to look at all the evidence impartially without a prosecution bias, are just as interested in the perpetrator being brought to justice or are as intelligent as you? That for some reason those of us on the board with a different viewpoint, and the psychics too I guess, just want to get Casey off for some reason? :waitasec: :truce:

 

[A_News_Junkie]

I have my grandson with me, so haven't been able to read all of the posts in this thread. Just wondering... has anyone addressed those screen caps of the personal message between Murt and ?????

When reading the emails, I couldn't help thinking that DC must have spent a lot of time reading at WS as well as many other forums to obtain information.

between him and who? I don't understand what you are asking, sorry - rephrase please?

 

[LancelotLink]

So, GL is saying on July 20 that she feels Caylee is dead. She sends this to LPh. He sends a tip to John Allen on July 20 that Caylee was part of an adoption scheme, and another tip he emailed in with this one has her being held captive by armed gunmen.
GA sees this and reaches out to LE to check this guy out.
I'm going to guess this is when LE implored the A's not to go down this rabbit hole.
Instead, we saw the A's regurgitating the same theories on TV, peppered with remarks that LE was not following up on "leads" and not doing their job.

What a sad mess!!

 

[pip]

FYI: My husband was a PI for 20 years and would NEVER have acted in such an irresponsible manner. He was always very professional. He worked for many attorneys and did some investigations for private citizens. He rarely took domestics because he would tell them if they felt their spouse was cheating to get a good attorney that paying him was a waste of money. That is integrity. DC has none. PI's have a code of ethics. To put such theories in written form shows DC is immature, unprofessional and inexperienced. Certainly giving PI's everywhere a bad name. jmo

Every high profile case collects a slew of JW's. IMO, DC and the psychics rank on that list in the Caylee case.

It appears to me that crime hobbyist DC thinks he has joined the ranks of James Bond.. entered into the world of high stakes espionage where danger and deception lurks at every turn.. IMO, the guy is a simple joe and living out some personal fantasy. He had become a legend in his own mind, due to the notoriety of the case. Suddenly he couldn't spread his valuable self thin enough.. he had to take on all the current cases in the media (without being asked to, no doubt)

 

[Pondering Mind]

Beach, like I stated in my post, I'm talking about what I'd read so far. I haven't read this one yet. Looks like Ginny and DC joking about feeding Baez false info because they think he's just a media hound trying to profit by selling an interview to Geraldo.

Do you know if they ever made any actual accusations of any of this? I'm not aware of any such accusations being made formally. Seems like we would have heard about it. But who knows?

I mean if I were them I would never even joke about such a thing in case my email was taken out of context or got in the wrong hands, but they might not have been thinking of their emails going public at the time, might have just thought this was between them? And it looks like at the time they suspected something like that might have happened, maybe due to the rumors of drugs, the unidentified stain, etc. I'm not aware of them going public with any accusation to this effect, but I could have missed it.

Hi Seagull..what are you reading that makes you feel that they were joking..and WHY would anyone do that when a child is missing? I ask because it seems that if that were the case then they were also feeding the BS to Cindy and George as well, who can forget their claims that Caylee was in PR? Not very professional of DC imo and CERTAINLY not *sweet*....moo..


Also, in one of your posts above you said that Caylee was living in JP & Ricardo's townhome...where did you read this? That's news to me as I have always been under the impression that she spent the night there on a couple occasions. Please clarify if you can..TIA!

 

[Soju]

Why would psychics in another part of the country want to "create a defense theory"? I don't understand what anyone thinks their motivation would be.

simple.

$$$

come on.

 

[Pondering Mind]

If you have it handy, could you post the link to where DC filed an accusation toward a suspect with police? Thanks (Maybe I just haven't gotten to those docs yet, it looks like in the one posted above they were joking about feeding Baez baloney because they thought he was kind of being a media hound for profit or something rather than helping to find Caylee, but I'm not sure. If I were them I wouldn't have done that, but maybe they didn't, maybe it didn't go beyond their joking in the email to each other?)

Why the comments like "most of us want the right person to pay for the crime and not get innocent people involved like all of KC's friends, TES, Mr. Kronk," etc. Why wouldn't KC's friends that she'd had Caylee around prior to Caylee's disappearance be investigated, or Kronk? Selectively not investigating these people would seem pretty strange in the case of a missing/murdered child. Why the insulting terms toward other board users like the above and "it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out" etc. You don't think people who are trying to wait until the trial to decide if Casey is actually guilty or not, trying to look at all the evidence impartially without a prosecution bias, are just as interested in the perpetrator being brought to justice or are as intelligent as you? That for some reason those of us on the board with a different viewpoint, and the psychics too I guess, just want to get Casey off for some reason? :waitasec: :truce:

Why do you keep saying that these people have not been investigated? They have (to the satisfaction of LE and that's what matters you know) WE have NO IDEA who all and what all they looked into, but apparently everything came back around to KC. ..and considering that everyone KC has come into contact with has had their lives picked apart, what next? I have faith that LE has done a thorough investigation in spite of the Anthonys, JB, DC et all...certainly NOT because of them... MO..

 

[Pondering Mind]

simple.

$$$

come on.

birds of a feather flock together.....:banghead:..

 

[Soju]

Why wouldn't KC's friends that she'd had Caylee around prior to Caylee's disappearance be investigated, or Kronk? Selectively not investigating these people would seem pretty strange in the case of a missing/murdered child.

Casey's friends and Kronk WERE investigated, Seagull. Extensively. There is absolutely NOTHING remotely tying them to caylee's murder. ZERO. As for her friends going to puerto rico for a vacation. That's it. They're young 20-somethings who'd been working hard, (unlike casey) going to school (unlike casey) and saved their money (unlike casey, who stole money) for many months to take a trip. Big whoopee. Happens all the time. They're normal.

And who gives a rip if there are drugs at fusian? There are drugs everywhere. Simple. It's a stretch to start thinking about the mafia and underground drug rings and kidnapping caylee for casey's silence, and planting random bodies in cars. That's not realistic in light of the evidence or logic; that's a movie plot. Period.

I'm sorry you feel insulted by people pointing it out, but the simple fact is it IS ridiculous to see wild conspiracies in such mundane things that have already been investigated thoroughly. Ignoring the realities of the evidence and casey's actions to the point where one abandons all logic and reason is doing caylee's memory a disservice, as far as I'm concerned.

JMO of course.

 

[LambChop]

If you have it handy, could you post the link to where DC filed an accusation toward a suspect with police? Thanks (Maybe I just haven't gotten to those docs yet, it looks like in the one posted above they were joking about feeding Baez baloney because they thought he was kind of being a media hound for profit or something rather than helping to find Caylee, but I'm not sure. If I were them I wouldn't have done that, but maybe they didn't, maybe it didn't go beyond their joking in the email to each other?)

Why the comments like "most of us want the right person to pay for the crime and not get innocent people involved like all of KC's friends, TES, Mr. Kronk," etc. Why wouldn't KC's friends that she'd had Caylee around prior to Caylee's disappearance be investigated, or Kronk? Selectively not investigating these people would seem pretty strange in the case of a missing/murdered child. Why the insulting terms toward other board users like the above and "it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out" etc. You don't think people who are trying to wait until the trial to decide if Casey is actually guilty or not, trying to look at all the evidence impartially without a prosecution bias, are just as interested in the perpetrator being brought to justice or are as intelligent as you? That for some reason those of us on the board with a different viewpoint, and the psychics too I guess, just want to get Casey off for some reason? :waitasec: :truce:

First, let me state I have never made insulting terms to any board users. What I said was a general statement and I am sorry you took offense to it when there was none intended. I would further state that since none of KC's friends lied about the last time they had seen Caylee and that none of KC's friend's trunk or any other portion of the vehicle smells like a dead body, and that KC, herself, has never pointed a finger to anyone other than Jesse, nor did any of KC's friends steal money from her but basically there is no reasonable certainty that any of her friends were involved. None. The only person who pointed fingers was CA who is so deeply engrossed in self-denial that she still thinks Caylee is alive. Very sad, indeed.

There is no link to the police, I stated officer of the court who would be JB.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion for sure. But evidence is what it is and most of us see it for what it is and that is lay it all out 100% of it points to KC, no one else because she had possession of the child. She was responsible for the child. She refused to cooperate with LE to find the child. The child was found with items from her parents home, specifically. Pulling out small bits of evidence and saying well someone else could have done this because they could have gone into the home and gotten the items. It is pure speculation and has no basis in fact. The facts point to one person, she will have her day in court to prove these facts are wrong. My opinion is KC is trying to dig out of a mountain of evidence with a toothpick. This is just my opinion and everyone else is entitled to theirs.

 

[pip]

You have to give JB an ounce of credit here.. I am sure that within 24 hours of receiving this case he was smart enough to know that he had nuttin' to work with. Hence.. 'Let the Spin Begin'... Start throwin' stuff at the wall, STAT! Sumpthin's gotta stick..

The Spin Crew:
Baez and team on the media frenzy tour
The Anthony family on the media frenzy tour
PI DC and psychics
The Milsteads
Geraldo
Baden

The 'Just the Facts' crew:
LDB
JAshton
YM
JAllen
FBI

The proof in the pudding score:
State 50
Defense 0


What a huge waste of taxpayers money....

 

[Pondering Mind]

Casey's friends and Kronk WERE investigated, Seagull. Extensively. There is absolutely NOTHING remotely tying them to caylee's murder. ZERO. As for her friends going to puerto rico for a vacation. That's it. They're young 20-somethings who'd been working hard, (unlike casey) going to school (unlike casey) and saved their money (unlike casey, who stole money) for many months to take a trip. Big whoopee. Happens all the time. They're normal.

And who gives a rip if there are drugs at fusian? There are drugs everywhere. Simple. It's a stretch to start thinking about the mafia and underground drug rings and kidnapping caylee for casey's silence, and planting random bodies in cars. That's not realistic in light of the evidence or logic; that's a movie plot. Period.

I'm sorry you feel insulted by people pointing it out, but the simple fact is it IS ridiculous to see wild conspiracies in such mundane things that have already been investigated thoroughly. Ignoring the realities of the evidence and casey's actions to the point where one abandons all logic and reason is doing caylee's memory a disservice, as far as I'm concerned.

JMO of course.

Well said soju!...and the part I bolded is what breaks my heart and drives my BP up!

LE has to go where the evidence takes them and it seems DC, the A's, etc. want to create their own evidence to point towards anyone or anywhere else...as long as it's NOT ICA...hmm..why do you suppose that is?.. :waitasec:..:sick:..

 

[LambChop]

And isn't that what Ms. Princess does best, spend other people's money. JMO

 

[beach]

Casey's friends and Kronk WERE investigated, Seagull. Extensively. There is absolutely NOTHING remotely tying them to caylee's murder. ZERO. As for her friends going to puerto rico for a vacation. That's it. They're young 20-somethings who'd been working hard, (unlike casey) going to school (unlike casey) and saved their money (unlike casey, who stole money) for many months to take a trip. Big whoopee. Happens all the time. They're normal.

And who gives a rip if there are drugs at fusian? There are drugs everywhere. Simple. It's a stretch to start thinking about the mafia and underground drug rings and kidnapping caylee for casey's silence, and planting random bodies in cars. That's not realistic in light of the evidence or logic; that's a movie plot. Period.

I'm sorry you feel insulted by people pointing it out, but the simple fact is it IS ridiculous to see wild conspiracies in such mundane things that have already been investigated thoroughly. Ignoring the realities of the evidence and casey's actions to the point where one abandons all logic and reason is doing caylee's memory a disservice, as far as I'm concerned.

JMO of course.

This. :clap:

 

[Oakley]

Just started reading the emails myself. I was glad to see that Dominic Casey seems pretty normal and professional, just listening to the psychics' tips in case they can help. Seems reasonable as a PI trying to help the grandparents find their missing granddaughter that he may have had someone watching JG a bit in Athens. Can't really fault him for that (in case Caylee was out there). And if the A's were interested in the psychic tips at all, he would follow up on those because he's working for them.

Luke appears to be Ginny Lucas's nickname, isn't it?

I know, that was pretty weird. One of the psychics offering tips says Det. Allen called his workplace and he was fired? What in the world? That would certainly be a shame if that happened.

Wonder if a dancer from Dancers Royale really was murdered like these psychics thought, also the young man in his twenties. I always personally wondered if anyone else's body had been transported in Casey's car (not necessarily by Casey), I will freak if it turns out to be true.

BBM Yes, I was thinking that as well, SeaGull. Do we know for certain that Luke is another individual apart from Ginny Lucas?

 

[LancelotLink]

This. :clap:

ITA! As I was reading that scenarios concerning drugs, Blanchard Park, the 2 guys, murdered Stripper, etc. it was obvious to me that this was made up to protect ICA's backside and had nothing to do with plausible anything.
I especially liked the "Big Birds are singing" or something like that.
I kept thinking this made no sense. If they already killed one person, they would just kill two more. Poorly done...